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Once upon a time I published a post on this blog titled “Barbell Squat : the Worst Exercise in Existence?”. As it turned out, barbell squat fanati fans were not pleased with this post.

In fact after they got done kindly telling me how upset they were with my ideas, they proceeded to link my post from the front page of every major “fitness” forum on the internet, so all of their buddies could join in on venting bottled up rage from early childhood abuse.

Excuse me, leaving entertaining and constructive comments on my blog for the betterment of mankind, care bears, and unicorns.

Okay, let’s get serious. This post is being produced because I’m not done criticizing the stupidity that is the illustrious, the worshiped, the magical, the super-natural, and our lord and savior, THE BARBELL SQUAT.

(In this post, I am specifically addressing the free-standing-barbell-back-squat, rack or no rack. Unless otherwise noted, front loaded barbell squats, belt squats, dumbbell squats, body weight squats, squats performed in a smith machine or similar device, etc, are excluded from this discussion).

Top Ten Reasons NOT to Barbell Squat

These are presented in no particular order, unless otherwise noted.

Reason # 1

The favorite, most highly touted exercise of the world’s dumbest men, is the barbell squat (500+ sources).

Reason # 2

The barbell squat requires “good form” they say, indicating that it is a skill (unlike say walking, which requires no measurable degree of skill for a normal human being, or a horizontal leg press which requires categorically less skill than a free standing barbell back squat – something grandma can do).

Well, skill based movement in a fatiguing and progressive protocol = a recipe for disaster. (source)

Reason # 3

Russian roulette with a multi-hundred pound barbell x 500,000 trigger pulls = someone getting hurt.

“But I’ve squatted for many years with no injuries” : says the turkey. Well here’s a quote from The Black Swan for the turkeys of the world.

Consider that the turkey’s experience may have, rather than no value, a negative value. It learned from observation, as we are all advised to do (hey, after all, this is what is believed to be the scientific method). Its confidence increased as the number of friendly feedings grew, and it felt increasingly safe even though the slaughter was more and more imminent. Consider that the feeling of safety reached its maximum when the risk was at the highest!

That last part is especially important for the “experienced” trainee aiming for a personal record, or even just “squatting heavy” on a given day.

Reason # 4

A barbell squatter’s ability to walk is one pulled muscle, one fallen eyelash, one “freak accident” away from being at immediate risk.

(The Wizard of Oz called by the way, he said the straw man is unavailable due to a medical emergency; something to do with a barbell and straw).

Reason # 5

There is an absolutely, definitively, and entirely better alternative to the barbell squat (all forms) : the little known hip belt squat. (Disclaimer : this is just a generic link to a website many will recognize. There are better sources of information on the hip belt squat available elsewhere).

Author and speaker Bill DeSimone has called this exercise “the most congruent lower body exercise conceivable”.

Reason # 6

The structure of the spine does not suggest that it is suited for top heavy loads. (source).

Reason # 7

The creators of the dictionary called me.

They said “The new definition of “wishful thinking” now includes the idea that the muscles surrounding the human spine track in accordance with the growth of the largest and strongest muscles and bones of the body”.

Reason # 8

There is nothing on earth to suggest that making your spine the “middle man” between a multi-hundred pound barbell, and your legs, is a particularly good, or even safe idea. (source)

Reason # 9

Looks like heavy squats can (and if it can go wrong, it will go wrong) cause nerve damage to the shoulders. (source and discussion).

Reason # 10

This is a redundant point, but it is worth repeating : the barbell squat is the most popular exercise on the planet among dip shit meat heads.

What in the world makes you think these people have good, sound ideas? I have no doubt many of these people are big and strong.

What I doubt is that there is anything going on upstairs. (source).


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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2014, 02:51:02 PM »
Great post

Watch Coach and Co try and demolish it.

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2014, 02:51:22 PM »
"Anthony Dream Johnson", I was expecting a black dude, and I get this -

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I feel like Drexl when he finds out who Clarence Worley is....

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2014, 02:51:41 PM »

I wouldn’t normally care to pick on someone like Mark Rippetoe, but he’s one of the most popular proponents of performing a barbell squat, AND, he says stuff like this on a consistent basis.

There are few things graven in stone, except that you have to squat or you’re a pussy.

As it turns out, this isn’t true. In fact in reality, you would be quite wise to avoid the free standing barbell squat entirely.

I discuss why in the (informal) video blog below, in which I might come off as polarizing or aggravating to some. If I do, please understand that wasn’t necessarily my intention, nor did I try to avoid it.

I was primarily interested discussing the downfalls of the barbell squat, not being sensitive (or insensitive) towards your feelings, and potentially decade + long investment into the barbell squat.

So I simply don’t care one way or the other, and if the video aggravates you, just stop watching it.

Certainly no one is forcing you to.


Now, as far as the points made, they summarize as follows. They are all very basic. Nothing revolutionary in and of themselves.

 

One:

Loading the top of the spine — which in many respects is a pyramid — with a 200, 250, 300, 350, 400+ … pound bar, and then moving that bar up and down  a few feet, does not seem especially wise in and of itself.

Please see the picture below for further reference. (Try to think: does this structure look especially suited for loading the strongest and largest muscles in my body with a shit ton of weight?)

If you’re a barbell squat fan, the question you should be asking yourself is: at what point in human history did this become a good idea?

Or as stated in the video, what person without social/cultural influences suggesting if not pressuring him to perform a free standing barbell squat, would decide on his own to set this exercise up and do it?

On this level alone, it appears to be a really bad idea.

 

Two:

The primary muscles that most squatters intend to work, are the muscles of the legs, which are huge muscles, surrounding huge bones, supported and surrounded by comparatively huge joints.

The spine on the other hand is perhaps the most delicate joint structure in the entire body. Small bones, that get smaller towards the top (where the multi-hundred pound bar is applied), surrounding small muscles with little room for hypertrophy, supported by delicate connective tissues.

Certainly the consequences for injuring it in any meaningful way are along the lines of : you’re fucked.

The point I’m getting at here is: why are you applying resistance so far, in fact as far as physically possible, from the intended muscle group?

You can do a belt squat or a leg press and effectively get as close as possible to the intended muscle group.

A barbell squat is the equivalent of loading your triceps through your feet, upside down against a wall. Aside from loading the barbell on your skull, there is no more ineffective, bass ackwards way to load your legs with a heavy resistance.

Furthermore, you’re force feeding that resistance through your spine. There is no way around it. The only bones connecting the weight and your legs and pelvis are your vertebrae.

Which brings me to my next and final point.

 

Three:

The barbell squat is absolutely self-defeating. Why?

Because success in a barbell squat means primarily, stronger legs. Stronger and stronger legs will need more and more resistance.

If 150 pounds of resistance, force fed through the spine, is antagonistically bad to begin with, 200 pounds is exponentially worse.

250 pounds is further worse.

251 pounds is still worse.

252 … 253 … etc.

The stronger you get, and the more success you have performing a barbell squat, the more ineffective and dangerous the exercise becomes. The risk of injury not only increases, but so does the actual effect of a potential injury.

One pulled, torn, stretched muscle, one mis step, one hard slam of that bar on the rack is all it takes to cause an injury, however minor or severe.

 

Think this is a rare thing that won’t happen to you? Keep dreaming. In a long enough time span, I would bet the risk of injury on a free standing barbell squat is 100%.

I.e. if you start squatting from a young age, and continue this over a lifetime like Mr. Rippetoe would have you do, the chance of an injury happening approaches 100%. It becomes inevitable.

Are you really willing to gamble your ability to walk on your “perfect skill” in performing a barbell squat? You really think you’re going to squat 1,000 times and never have a “freak” accident?

It’s not freak at all, it was bound to happen and easily predictable by looking at a third grade level picture of the human spine with a crappy photo-shopped barbell at the top.

 

Bottom line:

The free standing barbell squat is a bad idea anyway you cut it.

The only way to “fix” it, is to stop doing it, and instead perform any other compound leg exercise available, of which, there are a ton of options. Some are better than others.

All are better than a free standing barbell squat.

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2014, 02:57:35 PM »
after reading this i'm even more convinced not to squat anymore

except hip belt squats

i'd like to give them a try after reading all this

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2014, 03:05:29 PM »
No Science to back up this great article.  Wonderful.


I just read a study done by NASA that rated the squat as the most beneficial exercise of any single exercise in terms of keeping muscle mass in zero G because it engages the most muscles in the most efficient manner.

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2014, 03:06:02 PM »
Yes, nobody ever got hurt doing leg press or belted hip squats. ::)  The lengths people will go to to avoid an exercise is comedic.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 03:10:00 PM »


I just read a study done by NASA that rated the squat as the most beneficial exercise of any single exercise in terms of keeping muscle mass in zero G because it engages the most muscles in the most efficient manner.

That's good enough for me, I'll be squatting tomorrow.

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2014, 03:10:25 PM »
My physical therapist gave me at least ten reasons why doing squats was good for you. Try squatting while balancing on a half exercise ball sometime if you really want to work a lot of muscles at once.

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2014, 03:11:36 PM »
Science says Squat!  From April 2014

http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Citation/2014/04000/The_Acute_Hormonal_Response_to_Free_Weight_and.22.aspx


Home > April 2014 - Volume 28 - Issue 4 > The Acute Hormonal Response to Free Weight and Machine Free Weight and Machine Weight Resistance Exercise

Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research:
April 2014 - Volume 28 - Issue 4 - p 1032–1040
doi: 10.1519/JSC.0000000000000317
Original Research
The Acute Hormonal Response to Free Weight and Machine Weight Resistance Exercise

Shaner, Aaron A.1; Vingren, Jakob L.1,2; Hatfield, Disa L.3; Budnar, Ronald G. Jr1; Duplanty, Anthony A.1,2; Hill, David W.1
Abstract

Abstract: Shaner, AA, Vingren, JL, Hatfield, DL, Budnar Jr, RG, Duplanty, AA, and Hill, DW. The acute hormonal response to free weight and machine weight resistance exercise. J Strength Cond Res 28(4): 1032–1040, 2014—Resistance exercise can acutely increase the concentrations of circulating neuroendocrine factors, but the effect of mode on this response is not established. The purpose of this study was to examine the effect of resistance exercise selection on the acute hormonal response using similar lower-body multijoint movement free weight and machine weight exercises. Ten resistance trained men (25 ± 3 years, 179 ± 7 cm, 84.2 ± 10.5 kg) completed 6 sets of 10 repetitions of squat or leg press at the same relative intensity separated by 1 week. Blood samples were collected before (PRE), immediately after (IP), and 15 (P15) and 30 minutes (P30) after exercise, and analyzed for testosterone (T), growth hormone (GH), and cortisol (C) concentrations. Exercise increased (p ≤ 0.05) T and GH at IP, but the concentrations at IP were greater for the squat (T: 31.4 ± 10.3 nmol·L−1; GH: 9.5 ± 7.3 μg·L−1) than for the leg press (T: 26.9 ± 7.8 nmol·L−1; GH: 2.8 ± 3.2 μg·L−1). At P15 and P30, GH was greater for the squat (P15: 12.3 ± 8.9 μg·L−1; P30: 12.0 ± 8.9 μg·L−1) than for the leg press (P15: 4.8 ± 3.4 μg·L−1; P30: 5.4 ± 4.1 μg·L−1). C was increased after exercise and was greater for the squat than for the leg press. Although total work (external load and body mass moved) was greater for the squat than for the leg press, rating of perceived exertion did not differ between the modes. Free weight exercises seem to induce greater hormonal responses to resistance exercise than machine weight exercises using similar lower-body multijoint movements and primary movers.

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2014, 03:16:18 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2014, 03:22:58 PM »
Great post

Watch Coach and Co try and demolish it.

I knew you were going to support this thread you lazy rubber band fuck.


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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2014, 03:23:26 PM »
after reading this i'm even more convinced not to squat anymore

except hip belt squats

i'd like to give them a try after reading all this

I did regularly squats and liked it, until the day I got problems with the cervical spine. The more weight I could take, the more problems like muscle tension and headaches appeared. Seems it dont works for me.

What do you think about front squats ?

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2014, 03:24:33 PM »
I did regularly squats and liked it, until the day I got problems with the cervical spine. The more weight I could take, the more problems like muscle tension and headaches appeared. Seems it dont works for me.

What do you think about front squats ?


Bad form most of you guys have no idea how to squat properly or use too much weight then you develop problems and blame it on the squat, I have seen this many time.

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2014, 03:24:45 PM »
I squat when i feel like squatting or when im working on power/explosiveness, and dont squat when i dont feel like it.

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2014, 03:26:10 PM »
IMO they're ok if you use a load that allows you to hit 20+reps. Otherwise I don't like them, too much pressure on my low back and neck.

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2014, 03:33:20 PM »
IMO they're ok if you use a load that allows you to hit 20+reps. Otherwise I don't like them, too much pressure on my low back and neck.

A good idea is to warm up your lower back on the lower back machine before squatting and work your way up to 10 resp, and if you are feeling pressure on your lower back it simply means that your form is not good.

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2014, 03:33:35 PM »
IMO they're ok if you use a load that allows you to hit 20+reps. Otherwise I don't like them, too much pressure on my low back and neck.
You probably are not putting the bar in the correct place for your build if that is the case.

Ideal placement you should not feel a thing on your lower back or neck.  Try putting the bar at the base of the traps, resting on the rear delt area.

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2014, 03:36:17 PM »
Squat is a god allround excerice, u dont need to be even smart to understand that. Ass, quad, calf, lower back, abdominal, balance, back...

Like deadlift, standig militarypress, benchpress, standbig biceps curls, free weights take much more energy and make u more tired! Thats when machines com into the game, u get older, u get lazier...sit in a machine feel more comfortable. In a machine u dosent need to cary your own body + the weight.

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2014, 03:40:59 PM »
excellent post on exercise safety by the guy filled with synthetic drugs who still goes out drinking regularly.

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2014, 03:43:39 PM »
Halo, Ronald Dean Coleman squats perhaps you should reconsider your advices?

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2014, 03:45:06 PM »
Performance/strength athletes squat.

Most modern bodybuilders do not. And of those who do, they mostly get it wrong, anyway.

The general masses are also generally wimpy and will say and do anything to avoid squatting.

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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2014, 03:45:32 PM »
written by a true girly man

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2014, 03:45:50 PM »
I just read a study done by NASA that rated the squat as the most beneficial exercise of any single exercise in terms of keeping muscle mass in zero G because it engages the most muscles in the most efficient manner.
A smarter guy could find a gravity suit joke, somewhere in here.   ;D

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Re: 10 reasons NOT to barbell squat - prepare for meltdowns by the hard men
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2014, 04:01:30 PM »
Not a very strong argument.


Also, not a very good use of the Nassim Taleb quote

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