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Absent the credible threat of impeachment, Obama will pardon millions of illegal aliens.

There is high anxiety over President Obama’s impending unilateral amnesty order for millions of illegal aliens. How many millions? The estimates vary. On the low end, 3 to 8 million, assuming some correlation to the potential beneficiaries of the president’s already existing amnesty decrees (including DACA or Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals). On the high end, as many as 9 to 34 million, factoring in likely categorical expansions of amnesty and their ramifications over the next several years.

The anxiety stems from a remorseless truth that no one — most especially Mr. Obama’s most ardent detractors — wants to confront. It is the truth I have addressed, to much groaning and teeth-gnashing, in Faithless Execution, my recent book on presidential lawlessness.

It is this: The nation overwhelmingly objects to Obama’s immigration lawlessness, but it has no stomach for the only effective counter to it — the plausible threat of impeachment.

To hear the demagogue-in-chief tell it, the controversy over how to deal with the approximately 12 million illegal aliens currently in the U.S. is a Manichean debate between enlightened humanitarians and vulgar xenophobes. (To be fair to the president, he is far from alone in peddling this smear.) But objections to Obama’s reckless immigration policies — indeed, to his policies in general, as this week’s historic election reaffirmed — cut across party and philosophical lines.

To be sure, the most intense protest is heard in “restrictionist” circles and among those for whom rule-of-law and national-security concerns trump sympathy for the plight of legions of decent but unlawfully present non-citizens (some of whom were brought here as children and are blameless for their illegal status). There are also, however, many enthusiasts of immigration amnesty — the euphemism is legislative “reform” — who recognize that the president’s sweeping, dictatorial approach is angering the public. That damages not just the cause but the career prospects of those who’ve made the cause their own.

Full article: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/392345/amnesty-and-impeachment-andrew-c-mccarthy

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Please..stop with this nonsense.  He isn't getting impeached.  Can you do math?  It takes 60 VOTES IN THE SENATE TO REMOVE HIM.  You are never going to get to 60 votes and he...like everyone else in DC with a brain... knows that.  That doesn't even begin to address the issue of what HIGH CRIME  you're going to charge him with.  You can get a list of constitutional scholars as long as your arm to argue either side of the issue of the President's Constitutional authority to use executive orders to grant amnesty.  Factor in the limited amount fo time you have (two years) to go through the machinations of investigating his behavior, gathering witnesses, deposing witnesses, drafting the articles, guiding them through the House and then...perhaps..getting them to trial in the Senate.  You will have wasted a year of your time that you could spend on other battles so he can get a "Not Guilty" verdict in the Senate.

A far more practical way of handling the little psychopath would be to hammer away at his prize achievement (Obamacare) while forcing him to sweat every single cabinet and judicial appointment he wants to make.  Defund every single initiative he attempts on immigration and basically shove the whole set of issues straight up his ass

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Some Dems voted to boot clinton - for fibbing about a hummer.

I think 6 or 7 of them would jump to boot obama  - for feeding illegal guns to an international drug war lol.


200+ dead bodies > a jizz stained dress. 

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Not a single Senate Dem voted to convict Clinton...a number of Republicans voted to acquit.   the number of House dems that voted for the impeachment articles could be counted on one hand.  This approach to dealing with Obama is a guaranteed losr

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Not a single Senate Dem voted to convict Clinton...a number of Republicans voted to acquit.   the number of House dems that voted for the impeachment articles could be counted on one hand.  This approach to dealing with Obama is a guaranteed losr

31 Democrats defect, support impeachment inquiry - CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/08/defect/

And even if it loses - which is gonna be a tough one, given 200 dead bodies from F&F - it'll still keep obama occupied, embarrassed, and unable to do all the bad things he has planned.

Besides, he committed crimes - the thought of "We might not win, so why go after him" is completely un-American.  It's about JUSTICE and doing what is right.  Maybe you get the votes and he's out.  Maybe you don't, and his crimes exposed, his presidency ineffective, etc. 

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31 house Dems supported an INQUIRY into impeachment.  When push came to shove, the Democrats closed ranks and  voted the party line and Clinton stayed in office.  Impeachment is a waste of time.  You aren't getting any of the far left Dems..and that's just about all that's left of the Dems in office... far left Dems in deep blue states to go along with this strategy.  It's a loser..it was a loser in 1998 and it's an even dumber idea now. 

Can you comprehend the simple reality that impeachment is a course of action that will take a full year?  That it will end in failure because NONE of the current dems will go along with it?  That the action the GOP needs to take in the face of amnesty by fiat needs to be immediate?  We don't have time to fuck around with time consuming show trials that will end in nothing.

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Dems are already abandoning obama. 

You put pics of 200 DEAD BODIES from the fast & furious guns, in front of a national audience on CNN...

Watch how fast Dems CAMPAIGN against obama.  Watch how fast they impeach.   Shipping guns to bad guys and allowing benghazi are WAY worse then fibbing about a hummer, completely different league.

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No..they won't.  They aren't going to vote to impeach him and will use the attempt as a tool to call the GOP racists.  It's a stupid idea with zero upside.

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No..they won't.  They aren't going to vote to impeach him and will use the attempt as a tool to call the GOP racists.  It's a stupid idea with zero upside.

You don't think obama losing 730 days of destructive executive power is zero upside?

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It isn't going to happen...and if it did, it wouldn't happen tomorrow so I don't know WTF 730 days has to do with this.


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It isn't going to happen...and if it did, it wouldn't happen tomorrow so I don't know WTF 730 days has to do with this.

Obama has 730 days left in office.  Start impeachement on monday and he's much less effective for dem goals for those 730 days.  Can't play offense if you're on defense.

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Start impeachment and he says "fuck you" and doubles down on everything.  That is his M.O.  Then what?  You certainly don't have popular opinion on your side for impeachment..CNN polled on the question in July and it had 35% support..so you then have to make a case to the American people to pursue this "nuclear" option that they don't want.   You also serve to energize a fractured, dispirited democrat base.

You gain NOTHING by trying this and you do NOTHING to stop Obama from implementing his agenda.  You put all the momentum the midterms gave you on the line to pursue some Quixotic adventure that simple math tells you is futile.  It is literally the fucking stupidest idea I have heard this year.

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Obama needs to be a candidate for the 25th amendment and forced to resign his office - he is delusional, insane, a mad man, and no longer functioning w any semblance of a clue or brain. 

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Obama is hell bent on destroyibg this country

He's already destroyed your mind

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Obama needs to be a candidate for the 25th amendment and forced to resign his office - he is delusional, insane, a mad man, and no longer functioning w any semblance of a clue or brain. 

you are definitely looking in the mirror while saying this

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you are definitely looking in the mirror while saying this
do you agree that the voting public rejected obamas agenda in the recent elections?

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do you agree that the voting public rejected obamas agenda in the recent elections?


mid term elections are tricky....the incumbent president always loses seats.....Im not sure if it was a repudiation of the president per se....but people are upset......who knows why.....

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mid term elections are tricky....the incumbent president always loses seats.....Im not sure if it was a repudiation of the president per se....but people are upset......who knows why.....

Obama said his policies were on the ballot and he and the communists got wrecked.  Case closed


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mid term elections are tricky....the incumbent president always loses seats.....Im not sure if it was a repudiation of the president per se....but people are upset......who knows why.....

Many obama voters weren't motivated to vote.  No reason to.  Obama does what he wants with exec order.  They didn't NEED House to confirm obamacare, they had liberal justice john roberts in their pocket. 

Dems get what they want, WITHOUT owning the House.  They don't need senate either.

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Absent the credible threat of impeachment, Obama will pardon millions of illegal aliens.

There is high anxiety over President Obama’s impending unilateral amnesty order for millions of illegal aliens. How many millions? The estimates vary. On the low end, 3 to 8 million, assuming some correlation to the potential beneficiaries of the president’s already existing amnesty decrees (including DACA or Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals). On the high end, as many as 9 to 34 million, factoring in likely categorical expansions of amnesty and their ramifications over the next several years.

The anxiety stems from a remorseless truth that no one — most especially Mr. Obama’s most ardent detractors — wants to confront. It is the truth I have addressed, to much groaning and teeth-gnashing, in Faithless Execution, my recent book on presidential lawlessness.

It is this: The nation overwhelmingly objects to Obama’s immigration lawlessness, but it has no stomach for the only effective counter to it — the plausible threat of impeachment.

To hear the demagogue-in-chief tell it, the controversy over how to deal with the approximately 12 million illegal aliens currently in the U.S. is a Manichean debate between enlightened humanitarians and vulgar xenophobes. (To be fair to the president, he is far from alone in peddling this smear.) But objections to Obama’s reckless immigration policies — indeed, to his policies in general, as this week’s historic election reaffirmed — cut across party and philosophical lines.

To be sure, the most intense protest is heard in “restrictionist” circles and among those for whom rule-of-law and national-security concerns trump sympathy for the plight of legions of decent but unlawfully present non-citizens (some of whom were brought here as children and are blameless for their illegal status). There are also, however, many enthusiasts of immigration amnesty — the euphemism is legislative “reform” — who recognize that the president’s sweeping, dictatorial approach is angering the public. That damages not just the cause but the career prospects of those who’ve made the cause their own.

Full article: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/392345/amnesty-and-impeachment-andrew-c-mccarthy

You own this disaster

My whole family - all Republicans - are voting Obama.  i'm driving them to the station later - buying everyone dinner - making it a real family event.

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Some Dems voted to boot clinton - for fibbing about a hummer.

I think 6 or 7 of them would jump to boot obama  - for feeding illegal guns to an international drug war lol.


200+ dead bodies > a jizz stained dress. 

Another day, another lie. 

The trial in the United States Senate began right after the seating of the 106th Congress, in which the Republicans began with 55 senators. A two-thirds vote (67 senators) was required to remove Clinton from office. Fifty senators voted to remove Clinton on the obstruction of justice charge and 45 voted to remove him on the perjury charge; no Democrat voted guilty on either charge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

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Many obama voters weren't motivated to vote.  No reason to.  Obama does what he wants with exec order.  They didn't NEED House to confirm obamacare, they had liberal justice john roberts in their pocket. 

Dems get what they want, WITHOUT owning the House.  They don't need senate either.

Exactly...nothing gets done unless Obama wants it to......He holds that powerful veto pen and ca use executive orders as well....nothing really changes....and Hillary will win back many of those seats when she runs

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Exactly...nothing gets done unless Obama wants it to......He holds that powerful veto pen and ca use executive orders as well....nothing really changes....and Hillary will win back many of those seats when she runs

LOL - that fat old hairy lezbo aint going anywhere

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LOL - that fat old hairy lezbo aint going anywhere

who are you rooting for  in terms of the presidency?