what's the best pre-workout on the market ????

[Mr Anabolic]

200mg caffeine
your given dose of ephedrine
3 gr l tyrosine
200mg dmae

You'd be surprised how well this works and how cheap it is...

If someone needs/depends on high amounts of caffeine and/or ephedrine to get a good workout, it's nothing more than a crutch.  You have a serious stim addiction.

[ritch]

If someone needs/depends on high amounts of caffeine and/or ephedrine to get a good workout, it's nothing more than a crutch.  You have a serious stim addiction.

8-12mg of ephedrine a stim addiction? Ok....
200mg caffeine is just over 2 cups of coffee.

The others are nootropics to make it better.

L-tyrosine, btw is actually GOOD for your adrenal glands... And used Just pre workout 4 times a week, I use less ephedrine in that time than most use in one dose.

[Mr Anabolic]

8-12mg of ephedrine a stim addiction? Ok....
200mg caffeine is just over 2 cups of coffee.

The others are nootropics to make it better.

L-tyrosine, btw is actually GOOD for your adrenal glands... And used Just pre workout 4 times a week, I use less ephedrine in that time than most use in one dose.

Nootropics are fine, but daily use of E and C is murder on your prostate gland, adrenals and cause insulin resistance.  The tyrosine does not negate the side-effects of those stims.

[Tennisballz]

If someone needs/depends on high amounts of caffeine and/or ephedrine to get a good workout, it's nothing more than a crutch.  You have a serious stim addiction.

I agree with this.  A simple cup of coffee should be all you need.  If you're getting enough sleep and eating well you should have more than enough energy for an intense workout.

[TonyAlva]

one good hit of "mary jane" in the parking lot bruhs.

[DroppingPlates]

No pre w/o powder can beat a strong will power...

[Thong Maniac]

Kill it by 5 percent nutrition
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LOL

[MCWAY]

Don't forget the best of them all

That's not a preworkout drink. You may be referring to Nano Vapor, the original version of which was great.

[ritch]

Nootropics are fine, but daily use of E and C is murder on your prostate gland, adrenals and cause insulin resistance.  The tyrosine does not negate the side-effects of those stims.

caffeine consumption of 600mg or less daily is fine.
Stop being such a drama queen over this stuff. This is bb'ing and some measures that must be taken to help get there, the effects you speak of are minimal and not to be worried about especially how I dose it.

[drmarkp]

If someone needs/depends on high amounts of caffeine and/or ephedrine to get a good workout, it's nothing more than a crutch.  You have a serious stim addiction.

Agreed- these fools are lame.. Back when I was competing heavy; none of this shit even existed!! I would come out of morning college classes, then head to work at a semi manual job till 5:00 P.M... From there I would train for 1 1/2 hours 4 times week... Never even thought about needing a 'boost' to get through my sessions... Trained brutally hard and got to my all time huge... 'Pre- workout'? What the hell is that!!

[ritch]

those who like to poo poo on these products, perhaps try them. See how many more reps you can get, enjoy the extra intensity.
Why not?
Or just keep on living in the stone ages if you're happy as such but ya'll sound like a bunch of bitter old men.

[tws]

Chaos and Pain: Cannibal Ferox.

[The True Adonis]

Nothing.

Why not just go and lift weights instead.  Its not like its going to make any difference.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Nothing.

Why not just go and lift weights instead.  Its not like its going to make any difference.

 Oh brother

[IronMeister]

Pre JYM is decent...if your'e more into stims Mr hyde or Angel dust.

[The True Adonis]

Oh brother

Pathetic if someone can`t even go to the gym without a placebo drink.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Pathetic if someone can`t even go to the gym without a placebo drink.

Oh brother 

[whitewidow]

I honestly just started using them but they do help speed up my metabolism that is what I like about them. They are def not Placebo! fuck man crazy had potent amphetamines in them how is taking a amphetamine placebo? people failed the wada test because of craze. That was good stuff same with jack3D,I have always liked VPX Redline, I wish Blackstone had some of the original angel dust but I will try the new blend of it. I'll still use a ECA stack and I buy real ephdra from overseas so no placebo there. Plus I don;t like drinking s shitload of pre-work-out some nights maybe half a regular dose.

I think they have a place. They have helped speed up my metabolism and I can get through a work-out quicker. Trust me I know what is a placebo and what isn't when you start sweating more and are more friendly for some reason that's because of the pre-workout not because your just in a good mood for some reason.

[heenok]

The best formulated PWO is PreOG. Just have everything you need.
Its expensive tho, after i run out of it i will just use a home made blend.

I like citrulline or agmatine for pumps, caffeine for energy.
Just stick to proven and safe ingredients, you just never know whats in those PWO supps.

[FermiDirac]

That's not a preworkout drink. You may be referring to Nano Vapor, the original version of which was great.

It can be used as a preworkout as well 

While watching

[Mr Anabolic]

caffeine consumption of 600mg or less daily is fine.
Stop being such a drama queen over this stuff. This is bb'ing and some measures that must be taken to help get there, the effects you speak of are minimal and not to be worried about especially how I dose it.

lol - I bet you are 18-23 years old or so.  I got news for you, stims are not going to get you there.  You are just trying to justify your addiction. 

[Mr Anabolic]

I honestly just started using them but they do help speed up my metabolism that is what I like about them. They are def not Placebo! fuck man crazy had potent amphetamines in them how is taking a amphetamine placebo? people failed the wada test because of craze. That was good stuff same with jack3D,I have always liked VPX Redline, I wish Blackstone had some of the original angel dust but I will try the new blend of it. I'll still use a ECA stack and I buy real ephdra from overseas so no placebo there. Plus I don;t like drinking s shitload of pre-work-out some nights maybe half a regular dose.

I think they have a place. They have helped speed up my metabolism and I can get through a work-out quicker. Trust me I know what is a placebo and what isn't when you start sweating more and are more friendly for some reason that's because of the pre-workout not because your just in a good mood for some reason.

The metabolism boost is hyped and they definitely do NOT help you burn fat.  You are simply chasing a high.  You're also damaging your heart, prostate, adrenals and causing insulin resistance.  Ephedrine abuse causes serious problems.  A few ex-training partners of mine ruined themselves with ephedrine during the 90's.  It seems harmless at the beginning, but attenuation/habituation causes the need to take more and more to get the same effects.  That is when it does the most damage.

[latiuss]

Like 10mins of random bits of either
Nasser on the way
Cutler new improved and beyond
Levrone M3

[whitewidow]

The metabolism boost is hyped and they definitely do NOT help you burn fat.  You are simply chasing a high.  You're also damaging your heart, prostate, adrenals and causing insulin resistance.  Ephedrine abuse causes serious problems.  A few ex-training partners of mine ruined themselves with ephedrine during the 90's.  It seems harmless at the beginning, but attenuation/habituation causes the need to take more and more to get the same effects.  That is when it does the most damage.

bro you use them 2 weeks on/2 weeks off.Or every other day. I don;t use ephedrine or a ECA stack all year just for a month or two months then take a break. Honestly I like prw-workouts just on hard training days. I'm also on gear so I'm not too worried about my health as you can see. Alot of it is hype if you know how to use correctly. I could never see myself getting addicted to daily pre-workout use. If I used pre-workouts all the time I obviously wouldn;t of started this thread because I would know what was the best out there

I used craze till they pulled it and then took a break. I used to use VPX redline and I still do off and on. I want to try angel dust by Blackstone labs.

[simon]

nothing will ever compare to Duchaines Ultimate Orange.  I always wondered what was actually in there