What year was the worst Mr Olympia physique?

[bailey]

Ronnie Coleman 2001 Arnold Classic. Just wow!

[Cableguy]

Padilla was robbed. Franco should never have won in '81 and Dickerson was a poor choice later on as well.  Coleman looked like a pod from Invasion of the Blobbysnatchers. 

Bigger isn't always better, its just always bigger.  Stupid schomes.

Yup, this. Padilla was robbed.

[MCWAY]

Funny, as Haney was at the end of his career, and Dorian was just starting. You continue do make no sense. Get off Haney's jock already. He was ok for his time. I suppose he was better than Ronnie at his best too? Just give it up.

There was only a 3-year age difference between the two. So, it's hardly as if Haney was long in the tooth. Haney retired at 31, hardly eligible for Medicare.

You're one to talk about being on someone's jock. I'm surprised Dorian doesn't need a cigarette, after all of your posturing.

[bailey]

That's why I posted Ronnie's tight condition. Blob? Are you kidding? Be honest. Ronnie at the 2001 ASC was crazy in shape! You are lying to yourself.

[Cableguy]

Haney doesn't get the respect he deserves, even as an 8 time champ.  Pictures do not do him justice. 

This. I was never really impressed with Lee...until I met him in person. Pictures DID NOT do him justice.

[Mr.1derful]

I can agree with that! Same goes for other body builders. It's said all the time and I agree because I saw him in competition shape, and pictures did not do him justice. I'm talking about Dorian!!! In person, no one was close. You just had to see him up close. The density, hardness, thin skin, whatever? He looked insane! No one was close. So I agree.

Indeed, Dorian was the best example of this. 

[bailey]

McWAY, ahh. Let's see, I mentioned about 30 BB's in this whole thread. Mentioned Dorian once!!!! You have been on a non stop tirade about Haney! Just read all the posts. Which maybe you should do before spouting off nonsense. Again!....

[bailey]

Merry Christmas everyone. I'm out!

[andreisdaman]

I don't think you can compare Haney and Ronnie.....I think Haney was great for his time and I believe that Haney's reign came before the huge use in insulin and Hgh...after the 90's that's why you started seeing the huge increase in protruding bellies and distended stomachs in so many pros from the early 2000's on

[NarcissisticDeity]

Again, that's under the assumption that Haney would look exactly the way he did in '91. If Yates can put up 15 lbs of new mass, why can't Haney?

We've seen that, at the same bodyweight, Haney beats Yates due to having a smaller waist and better proportions.

Yates didn't put on 15lbs of muscle from one year to the next , he was already as big in 92 as he was in 93 the only difference is he didn't over diet and burn off pure muscle. Haney competed at 257lbs in 1989 and admittedly he was to heavy and his condition suffered for it.


And they weren't the same weight in 1991, Haney was 249lbs and Dorian was 239lbs and beat Haney in the muscularity round to boot.! Dorian 1993 would easily beat Haney at his best 1991. Haney 1991 would have a hard tie beating Flex 1993 and probably Levrone too

[Royalty]

In 1992 Lee Haney said, in his opinion, that 1991 NPC National Champion Kevin Levrone was going to dominate the sport

[Parker]

I think I made my point!  I like how you posted the worst shots of him you could find, yet he was still up there with the top 5. Get it together Parker.

Yes, you proved that in certain poses, he was mediocre. That FDB is atrocious. It shows his lack of shape and flow when it comes to his taper. His back is decent....far better detail than Dillett's. And Sonny had a great front lat spread.  A true X-Frame is Freeman or Cormier. As I said, Sonny Didnt do so well after Levrone, Flex and others enter the picture. By 93, The top 6 were Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Labrada, Levrone, Dillett. Sonny was 8th. Shawn just started hitting his stride, add in Nasser, and you'll see that in the 90s, Sonny Didnt have what it took to be one of the best. Period.

[andreisdaman]

Yes, you proved that in certain poses, he was mediocre. That FDB is atrocious. It shows his lack of shape and flow when it comes to his taper. His back is decent....far better detail than Dillett's. And Sonny had a great front lat spread.  A true X-Frame is Freeman or Cormier. As I said, Sonny Didnt do so well after Levrone, Flex and others enter the picture. By 93, The top 6 were Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Labrada, Levrone, Dillett. Sonny was 8th. Shawn just started hitting his stride, add in Nasser, and you'll see that in the 90s, Sonny Didnt have what it took to be one of the best. Period.

I agree with this....in the 90's there were so many elite guys at one time it was just tough to break through if you weren't genetically superior......it was tough for guys like Sonny and Sarcev

[Alucard]

Again, that's under the assumption that Haney would look exactly the way he did in '91. If Yates can put up 15 lbs of new mass, why can't Haney?

We've seen that, at the same bodyweight, Haney beats Yates due to having a smaller waist and better proportions.

I can agree with that... Although ND is right about Yates being already huge in 1992, overdieting some of his mass away contrary to 1993, it's pretty much accepted that he was one of the firsts to really push the gas on GH and overall dosages... Haney was probably more conservative, so who knows what improvements he could have made following the same path...

Yes, you proved that in certain poses, he was mediocre. That FDB is atrocious. It shows his lack of shape and flow when it comes to his taper. His back is decent....far better detail than Dillett's. And Sonny had a great front lat spread.  A true X-Frame is Freeman or Cormier. As I said, Sonny Didnt do so well after Levrone, Flex and others enter the picture. By 93, The top 6 were Dorian, Flex, Shawn, Labrada, Levrone, Dillett. Sonny was 8th. Shawn just started hitting his stride, add in Nasser, and you'll see that in the 90s, Sonny Didnt have what it took to be one of the best. Period.

In my opinion the very true X frame was Dillett, tiny waist, huge lats with low insertions to widest clavicles/shoulders and huge legs with insane sweep... Greatest and perfect structure for bodybuilding...

[Grape Ape]

We've seen that, at the same bodyweight, Haney beats Yates due to having a smaller waist and better proportions.

That was also under the context of a 7 time reigning Mr. Olympia in the best shape of his career facing a new guy in his first Mr. O.

I believe Yates surpassed Haney, even with the theoretical weight add.

[MCWAY]

Yates didn't put on 15lbs of muscle from one year to the next , he was already as big in 92 as he was in 93 the only difference is he didn't over diet and burn off pure muscle. Haney competed at 257lbs in 1989 and admittedly he was to heavy and his condition suffered for it.


And they weren't the same weight in 1991, Haney was 249lbs and Dorian was 239lbs and beat Haney in the muscularity round to boot.! Dorian 1993 would easily beat Haney at his best 1991. Haney 1991 would have a hard tie beating Flex 1993 and probably Levrone too

When this contest took place, Haney was listed at 241 and Yates at 239. Just looking at them, it hardly look like a 10-lb difference between the two.

My point was that assuming that Haney could not make a metamorphosis similar to Yates is a bit of a stretch. Yates would have to be larger than Haney to beat him, because Haney has better proportion.

[andreisdaman]

That was also under the context of a 7 time reigning Mr. Olympia in the best shape of his career facing a new guy in his first Mr. O.

I believe Yates surpassed Haney, even with the theoretical weight add.

Gotta pick a fight with you on this one, Grape.....I agree with you that Yates surpassed Haney in size possibly, but in over all appearance, lines, and aesthetics I gotta give it to Haney...

If YOU had to pick, which body would you want>?..which would be more pleasing to the eye?

[NarcissisticDeity]

When this contest took place, Haney was listed at 241 and Yates at 239. Just looking at them, it hardly look like a 10-lb difference between the two.

My point was that assuming that Haney could not make a metamorphosis similar to Yates is a bit of a stretch. Yates would have to be larger than Haney to beat him, because Haney has better proportion.

Haney said he was 249lbs in 1991 and Yates said he was 239lbs at this contest and in some pics you can tell especially that front double biceps pose

Yates didn't need to be bigger than Lee to beat him in the muscularity round. Haney already competed at 257lbs and said he was out of shape , he admits 1991 he finally learned how to peak the day of the contest and he was just under 250lbs at his best , saying he could be heavier and maintain that conditioning is a stretch in my opinion. Dorian 1993 would soundly beat Haney 1991

I believe it was Lenda Murray who said " He's like Haney....with legs. " about Dorian at the 1991 Mr Olympia.

[Grape Ape]

Gotta pick a fight with you on this one, Grape.....I agree with you that Yates surpassed Haney in size possibly, but in over all appearance, lines, and aesthetics I gotta give it to Haney...

If YOU had to pick, which body would you want>?..which would be more pleasing to the eye?

It's all good.

I believe under the judging criteria  Yates would win.  Even if they were similar in size, Yates had him on conditioning, hardness, legs, and overall freak factor.  I've seen him in person, at the olympia, NoC, and guest posing at 305.  He was like a cartoon character.

Haney had a cool physique, no doubt, especially in  terms of the upper body "wedge" shape.   I just think Yates would win.

Which body would I want?  Neither.  Too limiting from an athletic standpoint.

[Lartinos]

1) Franco in 1981
2) Chris Dickerson in 1982 (Bannout, Makkawy and Padilla were so much better)
3) Yates after 1994 (torn biceps) (but he was great in 91 and 92)
4) Cutler

Time for an updated list?

[Humble Narcissist]

Time for an updated list?

Nah, still the same.