Regarding Mike Tyson's place in history

[T-REX007]

If you took some of the old time greats - Dempsey, Johnson, Marciano, Walcott, Louis.... and had them train with todays methods, nutrition, get them bulked up I don't see why they couldn't have been successful in any era

I think people underestimate Marciano way too much, he fought in a weak era yes, was put on the canvas by the mongoose and a few other times, but he always found a way to win, his conditioning was second to none and he had the heart of two lions with his suzy q to finish the job

Ali had mad respect for Marciano, again styles make fights- Ali was a possible win for Marciano, Foreman or Liston not so sure
I still think the ultimate heavyweight fight of all  time is Marciano and Smokin' Joe - too close to call

[vascsurgeon]

I actually think most unbiased, sensible fans would make either brother the strong favourite against someone like Marciano.

Fat old Foreman would have got absolutely battered by Tyson. It would have been sad to watch.

No one who saw Marciano and Klitchkos fight would think anything but Marciano crushing them both.

[polychronopolous]

If you took some of the old time greats - Dempsey, Johnson, Marciano, Walcott, Louis.... and had them train with todays methods, nutrition, get them bulked up I don't see why they couldn't have been successful in any era

I think people underestimate Marciano way too much, he fought in a weak era yes, was put on the canvas by the mongoose and a few other times, but he always found a way to win, his conditioning was second to none and he had the heart of two lions with his suzy q to finish the job

Ali had mad respect for Marciano, again styles make fights- Ali was a possible win for Marciano, Foreman or Liston not so sure
I still think the ultimate heavyweight fight of all  time is Marciano and Smokin' Joe - too close to call

Yeah I seen that interview.

I think Ali was really dead on in accessing the Champs before him. Really funny when he talked about Jess Willard "he just a big ole freak"(which he really was)

He said Marciano was probably the only one who could have given him trouble because of that big right hand and there's no doubt...just look at the old tapes,, Marciano had a dynamite right hand, maybe the best ever. Even that old footage from the 50's you could see the power and fighters being left cold after Suzie Q

Dempsey, Joe Louis, Marciano...all three of those guys had some serious punching power.

I want to say Ali beats Marciano by a close decision because I think Ali was the best ever but at the same time Marciano would be an extremely dangerous match-up. Freakish natural punching power and the man was obsessed with conditioning. They say no boxer has ever trained as hard as Marciano.

I still say Ali takes it by shear talent and the size advantage but it would have been a war.

[T-REX007]

Gotta agree with you - everything you said is right on

[vascsurgeon]

In some ways that prison sentence might have actually helped his overall legacy.

It saved him from ever actually fighting Lewis/Holyfield earlier and ever facing Bowe...3 fighters of a stature that he had never faced before and I would bet all 3 would have embarrassed him pretty bad, even with Mike being around 26 or 27 years of age.

I think Michael Moorer hurts a 1993 Tyson pretty bad too but I'm not so sure about George. Would have been a fun fight to watch although I think Mike out boxes George like Morrison did for the victory.

We talking about prime, Foreman was almost 20 yes past his when he fought Morisson

[polychronopolous]

We talking about prime, Foreman was almost 20 yes past his when he fought Morisson

"We're talking prime"  

Follow the post I replied to and tell me where it entailed a "prime for prime" discussion.

Your trolling attempts leave much to be desired.

Step it up, noob.

[El Diablo Blanco]

I remember watching a docu on Ali. He looked lanky but had insane punching power. They timed him and it was second to none. Plus he could take a punch. Took some shots that would have knocked out almost anyone and then pulls the rope a dope. Ali would have beaten Mike mentally before ever getting in the ring.

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No one who saw Marciano and Klitchkos fight would think anything but Marciano crushing them both.

[Darren Avey]

Hahahaha I ve heard it all now Michael Moorer beats Mike Tyson AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Darren Avey]

Im sure I read somewhere Marciano deadlifted 900lbs! At some army facility or something 

[vascsurgeon]

"We're talking prime"  

Follow the post I replied to and tell me where it entailed a "prime for prime" discussion.

Your trolling attempts leave much to be desired.

Step it up, noob.

OK, we discussing, didn't mean to confuse you.
We are also discussing how their boxing abilities compare today as most of these men are dead or elderly??
Perhaps we discuss Bill Russell playing against Lebron James today?
Use your head for something besides holding your hat.
When one is not intelligent its best to keep their mouths shut and not remove any doubt.
Ask someone to explain that to you.
Troll away as you say.....or type

[Pray_4_War]

Just watching some fights from 1990.  Holyfield fought Alex Stewart in a long bloody fight.  Shortly thereafter Tyson fought the 6'3 Stewart and took him apart.  Walked straight in, knocked him down after like 2 or three punches.  Tyson knocked Stewart down 3 times in the first round and got the TKO.  lol.  If Holyfield fought Tyson anywhere near his prime Evander would have been roadkill.

[Wiggs]

Just watching some fights from 1990.  Holyfield fought Alex Stewart in a long bloody fight.  Shortlcy thereafter Tyson fought the 6'3 Stewart and took him apart.  Walked straight in, knocked him down after like 2 or three punches.  Tyson knocked Stewart down 3 times in the first round and got the TKO.  lol.  If Holyfield fought Tyson anywhere near his prime Evander would have been roadkill.

Thats not how it works friend. Styles make fights.

[Pray_4_War]

Thats not how it works friend. Styles make fights.

Holyfield was not big enough, strong enough, or good enough to beat Tyson back then.  He eventually roided up and like Lennox Lewis got the good fortune to fight a Mike Tyson that had been in the can for 3 years.

[polychronopolous]

Hahahaha I ve heard it all now Michael Moorer beats Mike Tyson AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Buster Douglass beat Mike Tyson. Kevin McBride beat Mike Tyson.

It's not really that much of a stretch to say that a 35-0 Moorer takes the win in 1993/1994.

How much money did you lose betting on Tyson when he as a 6 to 1 favorite vs. Holyfield the first time?  

[polychronopolous]

Holyfield was not big enough, strong enough, or good enough to beat Tyson back then.  He eventually roided up and like Lennox Lewis got the good fortune to fight a Mike Tyson that had been in the can for 3 years.

Like I said going to prison was the best thing for Tyson's legacy.

Kept him from being exposed.

The problem with Tyson fanboys is you get nothing but excuses from them.

[SuperTed]

No one who saw Marciano and Klitchkos fight would think anything but Marciano crushing them both.

LOL. Absolute garbage.

Buster Douglass beat Mike Tyson. Kevin McBride beat Mike Tyson.

It's not really that much of a stretch to say that a 35-0 Moorer takes the win in 1993/1994.

How much money did you lose betting on Tyson when he as a 6 to 1 favorite vs. Holyfield the first time? 

The problem with Moorer is that he had an awful chin. In order to beat Tyson you would need to be very robust as you're gonna get hit regardless of defensive qualities. Prime for prime, I really couldn't see Moorer lasting over 2 rounds.

[SuperTed]

As for the old Foreman-Tyson debate. If Tyson was indeed scared of Foreman than I really can't understand why. Tyson would have made old George look like a heavy bag. Take out the jackpot punch against the glass jawed Moorer and Foreman's comeback would have been nothing more than a footnote in boxing history.

[SuperTed]

Buster Douglass beat Mike Tyson. Kevin McBride beat Mike Tyson.

I met Michael Murray a few years back who had fought and beat Kevin McBride a few years before McBride went on to beat Tyson.
I remember him telling me that McBride was so fucking slow that all he had to do was wait for McBride to commit himself forward and he would nail him.
It kind of gives you an idea of how bad Tyson must have been at the end of his career to have lost to the guy.

[Darren Avey]

I don't get why people go on about Tyson losing to Mcbride its as relevant as Alis loss to Berbick.

[Ron Harrigan]

Ex-pro boxer Rich Gaspari.

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I don't get why people go on about Tyson losing to Mcbride its as relevant as Alis loss to Berbick.

Are you saying    Grover Wiley beating Julio Cesar Chavez  was not relevant ?

[Alucard]

You have to laugh at some of the comments here... There is a real possibility that Moorer could beat and outbox Tyson in the 90s, he was a very underrated champ with decent power, movement and skills... Glass chin my ass, he got ko by Foreman, the most strongest and harder hitter HW of all time, and after disappeared into alcoholism and got ko by Tua, another heavy hitter... Morrison was running and on the bicycle when he fought Old Foreman, in the best shape of his life (confirmed by him), that's why he made it... Could Tyson fight like that? Lol, he would walk into Foreman's bombs, sooner or later it's TKO or KO time... Prime for prime Foreman would brutalize him... Regarding Alex Stewart, i always liked him, underrated, but styles-make-fights in the Stewart-Tyson-Holyfield triangle, plus different times... Agreed with who said that prison time protected Tyson's legacy, absolutely, you could see that in some of the comments here...

[SuperTed]

You have to laugh at some of the comments here... There is a real possibility that Moorer could beat and outbox Tyson in the 90s, he was a very underrated champ with decent power, movement and skills... Glass chin my ass, he got ko by Foreman, the most strongest and harder hitter HW of all time, and after disappeared into alcoholism and got ko by Tua, another heavy hitter... Morrison was running and on the bicycle when he fought Old Foreman, in the best shape of his life (confirmed by him), that's why he made it... Could Tyson fight like that? Lol, he would walk into Foreman's bombs, sooner or later it's TKO or KO time... Prime for prime Foreman would brutalize him... Regarding Alex Stewart, i always liked him, underrated, but styles-make-fights in the Stewart-Tyson-Holyfield triangle, plus different times... Agreed with who said that prison time protected Tyson's legacy, absolutely, you could see that in some of the comments here...

Moorer did have a poor chin. The guy was a blown up LHW and tasted the canvas numerous times as a HW. Very good boxer but not near Tyson's level, at least as a HW.