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Re: Judgement Day is here
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2014, 03:56:21 PM »
Death is apart of life. In order to have life, there must be death. In order to have death, there must be life. One needs the other. They compliment each other to form a cycle. Life-death, life-death.
Pretty much all forms do what they can to continue their species, which includes death for many species. Procreating for some is the final act. The End.

It's just the way the evolutionary system works for us organic beings. But for a sentient robot that can repair itself and improve on itself to live forever, there needs to be no death.
Once humans can transfer their consciousness to a robotic/mechanical system that can live forever then there needs to be no death for us either.
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2014, 03:57:09 PM »
People are so stupid! HUMANS ARE ALREADY MACHINES. They cant do nothing they havent been learned or have seen or has experienced! Yet they try to make robots haha, isent it fantastic! WE ARE ALREADY THE MACHINES! Itjink this is pretty ironic!

Free will, empaty, human behaviour, love bla bla bla...its all bullshit! We are machines! Programed by our self learningsystem!

Wehen we are ill sick have problems we either go to the doctor or the psyciatrist to heal oer self so we can go back and be productive, isent it fantastic!

More like zombies instead of machines.

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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2014, 04:10:46 PM »
More like zombies instead of machines.

True that! Fucking hell! Zombiemachines! Everything people talk about is this fucking job coming as a savior for people, all it does is kill them from inside and out! Repeat repeat repeat, all dy all nigh, all day all night, wtf! Adult lives are so fucking meaningless!

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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2014, 06:28:54 PM »
If Big Steve Hawking says it, it's propably true!



he's a fuckin idiot in a wheelchair and you're going to listen to him??

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2014, 06:54:37 PM »
he's a fuckin idiot in a wheelchair and you're going to listen to him??

He knows almost as much about Mankind, Society and what the Future will bring for us as a species as Tbombz knows about Gayness / Backshots in the Mirror!

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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2014, 07:16:06 PM »
He knows almost as much about Mankind, Society and what the Future will bring for us as a species as Tbombz knows about Gayness / Backshots in the Mirror!
its funny though he's that smart and has absolutely no social skills.

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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2014, 07:36:04 PM »
If he is so smart why, cant he make himself walk?

I call bullshit!

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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2014, 07:40:49 PM »
 Fuck it  , I'm getting my  PF membership tomorrow .





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« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2014, 07:58:14 PM »
He knows almost as much about Mankind, Society and what the Future will bring for us as a species as Tbombz knows about Gayness / Backshots in the Mirror!

Indeed.  Tbombz is renowned for knowledge of the naked back shot, and the wise schmoes cultivate his favour.

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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2014, 12:19:22 AM »
I think Prof. Hawking is off on this one. AI has yet to get anywhere near awareness, a trait vital for them to take over humankind. They are great at computational tasks, e.g. playing chess, crunching huge data sets, etc. To show you the enormity of what computers would need to do to effectively take over, consider this:

A toddler can see a crayon on the other side of the room, previously, it has seen you use the crayon to draw, it walks across the room, picks up the crayon and starts drawing on the wall.

Now, this task requires a number of physical motor skills, which, feasibly, a robot may be able to do. But the initial thought: I'm going to use that crayon to draw on the wall, is not something a computer can come up with on its own. It requires awareness. It would have to be programmed in a top down way to do this. i.e. it would have to be told by a human to do this.

No computer has passed a turing test (despite reports to the contrary, the often cited case is not relevant as the test was framed as being a 13 year old Ukrainian boy), and until one does, I wouldn't worry about being overrun by cyborgs. Even if one did, I still wouldn't worry, as this does not equate to awareness, which means that humans would still come out on top in any dystopian future where we are at war with computers.

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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2014, 01:01:36 AM »
Yawn... The regular "calm yourself down" cultural bs people repeat just to be less afraid.

There are species that die exceptionally just from an accident, infection or other animal on their way, to be more pricise - evolution brought them to a "final destination" of an adaptation where the doesn't dey from a "natural" death (aging). That's a goal of every specie from a get go, death is just a byproduct of an imperfect code, just like cancer. Cancer is not necessary for life, it kills life, but it's a byproduct too, a destructive one.

Actaully no, it's not. What are you so afraid of? Or should i guess angry about? I have noticed that the people who usually push for the AI/robit future, are usually the ones who are disappointed in life, and feel that being cold, and metal, and pretty much thinking in terms of 1's and zeroes is better. they often have had setbacks in life, personal,health, professional, and have opted to throw in the towel.
It's just the way the evolutionary system works for us organic beings. But for a sentient robot that can repair itself and improve on itself to live forever, there needs to be no death.
Once humans can transfer their consciousness to a robotic/mechanical system that can live forever then there needs to be no death for us either.
And how can one transfer one's consciousness or soul into a robot? that is the question.
Can one ask that if a sentient robot that knows no end, can it recall it's beginning? And what about that "birth" and the desire to create another? So, what might happen in theory is population of robots that live forever that continually multiply. And then branching out into space to inhabit other worlds, to again multiply and again repeat the process. Like the replicators on SG1.

So, bottom line by your theory man will become noting more than a robotic roach. Nice future, huh?

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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2014, 01:20:09 AM »
Actaully no, it's not. What are you so afraid of? Or should i guess angry about? I have noticed that the people who usually push for the AI/robit future, are usually the ones who are disappointed in life, and feel that being cold, and metal, and pretty much thinking in terms of 1's and zeroes is better. they often have had setbacks in life, personal,health, professional, and have opted to throw in the towel.And how can one transfer one's consciousness or soul into a robot? that is the question.

It is, and you don't have arguments for that, while I can go about that into a lot more detail, as I'm fascinated about biology and evolution, and from what you've said already - you are clueless on this matter, speaking the same bs that I've heard many many times from othe people, it's a reaction (emotional), not a result of a constructive analysis. I can repeat one more time - life is about LIVING, not about death. Death is a byproduck of an "incomplete" code, which always tries to get more complete and avoid death at all possible costs. You can not disagree with this unles you are really stupid.
And I'm afraid of nothing in this case, it's people like you who are "afraid", who for some strange reason think that being humanoid (for ex) is automatically "cold" and "lifeless". Well that's just your lack of education (and probably religiousness). The actual reality very well may be that humans will expand their brain to such an extent that the spectrum of feelings will be much wider than it is now, so a contrary to "cold". I can calm you down - we are robots in it's truests sense already, just biological, nothing will really change, just a mere good ol' evolution, in a "human way" (driven by high IQ, instead of chance).

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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2014, 01:31:54 AM »
It is, and you don't have arguments for that, while I can go about that into a lot more detail, as I'm fascinated about biology and evolution, and from what you've said already - you are clueless on this matter, speaking the same bs that I've heard many many times from othe people, it's a reaction (emotional), not a result of a constructive analysis. I can repeat one more time - life is about LIVING, not about death. Death is a byproduck of an "incomplete" code, which always tries to get more complete and avoid death at all possible costs. You can not disagree with this unles you are really stupid.
And I'm afraid of nothing in this case, it's people like you who are "afraid", who for some strange reason think that being humanoid (for ex) is automatically "cold" and "lifeless". Well that's just your lack of education (and probably religiousness). The actual reality very well may be that humans will expand their brain to such an extent that the spectrum of feelings will be much wider than it is now, so a contrary to "cold". I can calm you down - we are robots in it's truests sense already, just biological, nothing will really change, just a mere good ol' evolution, in a "human way" (driven by high IQ, instead of chance).
You blieve in live, yet talk about death being an "incomplete code", you speak in cold terms...Life is about the experience, yet you look at things not as an experience but as  some byproduct.

You dismiss what i say as bs (and others), yet only your view matters. you are stuck in dogma. 
You are neither fascinated by biology or evolution, but you are fueled by your failures in life to find meaning in something other than being human.

I believe humans will evolve to a point where telepathy will be the norm....but, i also see now, how advancements in technology have helped to make us lazy and fat. What i believe is that there needs to be a natural balance of the mental and the physical, and the spiritual.

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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2014, 03:03:18 AM »
You blieve in live, yet talk about death being an "incomplete code", you speak in cold terms...Life is about the experience, yet you look at things not as an experience but as  some byproduct.

That's pseudo intellectual mumbo jumbo. Life is about surviving, nothing else, nothing more. By "cold" terms you mean that I'm speaking consturctively? Are you searching for a "state" or for a reason? I personally like reason/constructiveness, if I'd like to be in some kind of "state" I'd rather drink alcohol or become religious.

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You dismiss what i say as bs (and others), yet only your view matters. you are stuck in dogma. 
You are neither fascinated by biology or evolution, but you are fueled by your failures in life to find meaning in something other than being human.

You have no idea about my "failures" or achievements, so pls stop this nonsense on-line mind reading. And if we speak dogmas, yeah right... thousands years of self convincing of why death is good (because it's inevitable and a human mind needs to cope with that idea somehow) - it's not me who's about dogmas.

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I believe humans will evolve to a point where telepathy will be the norm....but, i also see now, how advancements in technology have helped to make us lazy and fat. What i believe is that there needs to be a natural balance of the mental and the physical, and the spiritual.

I have no intentions to speak about spiritual means at this time so I have nothing to say really. It's a different question. With the advanced senses/consciousness humans will most probably be even more "spiritual" than they are now.


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« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2014, 03:30:15 AM »
That's pseudo intellectual mumbo jumbo. Life is about surviving, nothing else, nothing more. By "cold" terms you mean that I'm speaking consturctively? Are you searching for a "state" or for a reason? I personally like reason/constructiveness, if I'd like to be in some kind of "state" I'd rather drink alcohol or become religious.

You have no idea about my "failures" or achievements, so pls stop this nonsense on-line mind reading. And if we speak dogmas, yeah right... thousands years of self convincing of why death is good (because it's inevitable and a human mind needs to cope with that idea somehow) - it's not me who's about dogmas.

I have no intentions to speak about spiritual means at this time so I have nothing to say really. It's a different question. With the advanced senses/consciousness humans will most probably be even more "spiritual" than they are now.


You've talked about your failures, and if even you didn't, your wording and sentence structure show.  And again with the propping up of yourself by dismissing something as "psuedo intellectually mumbo jumbo". Just like you use the term "fascinated". You language and usage of words and terms, show that you view things seperate from you. As something to observe, leaving your emotions out of it 9don't want to get hurt?). If you are an observant type, this type of thinking/behavior seems to go lock step with those who have failed in their interpersonal relationships and or jobs, etc. You are totally dismissive of anything other than what you think. If you view things separate from you, then there is only you, then you are lonely...the karma of loneliness.

One of the things I remember is when i said  about people in a marriage it is up to that specific person to find their own happiness, and that one shouldn't depend on someone else. You thing went on some tirade about that. you also have talked about your and other relationships how they have failed, etc.  We all fail, but you have taken a coldness to you, like the world done beat you down--society has beaten you and your friends down, and you search for an alternative...and that is what this is about.
People who search for another path, usually do so because the path they are on isn''t or wasn't working for them. And you gleefully want to see that other path.
 

We all know that the primary function of life is about surviving, but within our human experience, life can encompass so much more.

You again, assume a dogma of death...it is neither good nor bad, it is what it is. Many cultures view death in this manner.

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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2014, 04:04:53 AM »
You've talked about your failures, and if even you didn't, your wording and sentence structure show. 

Lol... you are getting more ridiculous... One of these people: "His eyes look "bad" to me so everything he speaks must be wrong too..".




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And again with the propping up of yourself by dismissing something as "psuedo intellectually mumbo jumbo". Just like you use the term "fascinated". You language and usage of words and terms, show that you view things seperate from you. As something to observe, leaving your emotions out of it 9don't want to get hurt?).

Well it was pseudo intellectual mumbo jumbo. And yes I evaluate "things" like they are seperate form me, I even evaluate myself from a "separate" position. It's as close to being objective as possible you know. Emotions? Why the hell I should use emotions for evaluating factual reality? It's not about what I "like" it's about what it is. If I'd like to evaluate the world through emotions, as I've already said - I'd indulge into alcohol or religion (the same really). And in that case it is NOT an evaluation, it's a reaction and urge to feel certain way (good. Noone want's to feel "bad". That's why some people chose to not see the reality in some situations.). A big difference.

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If you are an observant type, this type of thinking/behavior seems to go lock step with those who have failed in their interpersonal relationships and or jobs, etc. You are totally dismissive of anything other than what you think. If you view things separate from you, then there is only you, then you are lonely...the karma of loneliness.
"seems", "lonely"? What are you smoking buddy? Geez... you, the "emotional" types like to far fetch your illusions. Sorry, I just can't reply anything else than - I have no idea what are you talking about, it's only your imagination and wishful thinking at work.

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One of the things I remember is when i said  about people in a marriage it is up to that specific person to find their own happiness, and that one shouldn't depend on someone else. You thing went on some tirade about that. you also have talked about your and other relationships how they have failed, etc.
You are confusing me with someone else. Relathionships is one of the fields I've experienced the least amount of negative to date, so yeah.. I'm not the one you have in your mind in this case.

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  We all fail, but you have taken a coldness to you, like the world done beat you down--society has beaten you and your friends down, and you search for an alternative...and that is what this is about.
People who search for another path, usually do so because the path they are on isn''t or wasn't working for them. And you gleefully want to see that other path.

Wow... just wow.
 I can't say much about these phantasies of yours, the only path I don't like is a "human condition", in it's overall sense, pretty much it.
 

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We all know that the primary function of life is about surviving, but within our human experience, life can encompass so much more.
You again, assume a dogma of death...it is neither good nor bad, it is what it is. Many cultures view death in this manner.

It is what every life form is battling with, every second of it's existence. How cultures "view" it matters the least, as most just try to rationalize why it is "good" just to not go insane. You are doing the same. It's called a deathist trance. If you or your relatives will get cancer some time in the future - make sure not to try to cure it, as, well... death is good, so cancer is good.

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« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2014, 04:10:28 AM »
The guy is morphing into a mole rat.

Haha..



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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2014, 04:41:44 AM »
Lol... you are getting more ridiculous... One of these people: "His eyes look "bad" to me so everything he speaks must be wrong too..".




Well it was pseudo intellectual mumbo jumbo. And yes I evaluate "things" like they are seperate form me, I even evaluate myself from a "separate" position. It's as close to being objective as possible you know. Emotions? Why the hell I should use emotions for evaluating factual reality? It's not about what I "like" it's about what it is. If I'd like to evaluate the world through emotions, as I've already said - I'd indulge into alcohol or religion (the same really). And in that case it is NOT an evaluation, it's a reaction and urge to feel certain way (good. Noone want's to feel "bad". That's why some people chose to not see the reality in some situations.). A big difference.
"seems", "lonely"? What are you smoking buddy? Geez... you, the "emotional" types like to far fetch your illusions. Sorry, I just can't reply anything else than - I have no idea what are you talking about, it's only your imagination and wishful thinking at work.
You are confusing me with someone else. Relathionships is one of the fields I've experienced the least amount of negative to date, so yeah.. I'm not the one you have in your mind in this case.

Wow... just wow.
 I can't say much about these phantasies of yours, the only path I don't like is a "human condition", in it's overall sense, pretty much it.
 

It is what every life form is battling with, every second of it's existence. How cultures "view" it matters the least, as most just try to rationalize why it is "good" just to not go insane. You are doing the same. It's called a deathist trance. If you or your relatives will get cancer some time in the future - make sure not to try to cure it, as, well... death is good, so cancer is good.
Thank you for proving my point.
And yes, it was you who went on a tirade about happiness, when I said it is not up to the other person in the relationship to keep that person happy.

And you've gone on and on, and "this separation" of humanity or the human condition towards something else. It speaks volumes.

Like Groink alluded to, "...coming from the man who wants to be a robot".

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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2014, 04:44:02 AM »
Thank you for proving my point.


"Very" constructive. Just like most religious people. I've witnessed this way too many times already. oh well..

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« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2014, 04:48:27 AM »

"Very" constructive. Just like most religious people. I've witnessed this way too many times already. oh well..
WTF is your problem? You are so dogmatic, and make assumption that I am "religious". I stay out of most religious threads, and have never made any claims.

I guess I can say, how predictable from a man who has lost his path, and his faith in himself and and in humanity.

I will leave you as you want to be, which is alone.

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« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2014, 04:54:52 AM »
WTF is your problem? You are so dogmatic, and make assumption that I am "religious". I stay out of most religious threads, and have never made any claims.

I guess I can say, how predictable from a man who has lost his path, and his faith in himself and and in humanity.

I will leave you as you want to be, which is alone.

I'm "mind reading", just like you. Oh I see, you think it's pretty stupid too. Other ramblings just doesn't make any sense, you seem to be incapable of a constructive/analytical thought process, as your emotions get in the way. But that's how it is.

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« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2014, 05:06:33 AM »
I'm "mind reading", just like you. Oh I see, you think it's pretty stupid too. Other ramblings just doesn't make any sense, you seem to be incapable of a constructive/analytical thought process, as your emotions get in the way. But that's how it is.
You don't too well with it. You make assumptions again and again, always far from the mark.
And you fall for the same thing time and time again. You are not very observant. You are the one who is emotional, as you try to be dismissive and try to put down those who you you disagree with. This tells something about you. You have a belief that your thoughts and views are superior to others who differ.

As I said before, people usually take another path, when the one they are on isn't working. Which what you have consistently have alluded to in many of these topics, especially about the human condition (your own). Yet at the same time, you stick to a certain form of thought, that always is missing it's mark. Why? Why so dismissive? Why talk with a certain form of conceitedness?

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« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2014, 05:14:46 AM »
Buy a "Universe in a nutshell". It may turn out quite a good read and you may reconsider his value for the society.

I dont care for the society, human race, future etc etc...its all bullshit. Who cares? Must be stupid to care...save what, there is nothing to save haha. A singel atom out of billions atoms, come on...

Humans are just a bunch of guy, sucking their cocks and tell themself how important clever and superior.

Well, I might read that book anyway! But i doubt he have anythig to say that I havent already been thinking of! 

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« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2014, 05:14:59 AM »
You don't too well with it. You make assumptions again and again, always far from the mark.
And you fall for the same thing time and time again. You are not very observant. You are the one who is emotional, as you try to be dismissive and try to put down those who you you disagree with. This tells something about you. You have a belief that your thoughts and views are superior to others who differ.

Quite contrary. I'm very eager for someone to argue (but in a CONSTRUCTIVE way) with me, so I could update my views if needed. Speaking about my personal life you have no idea about is far from a constructive argument.  

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As I said before, people usually take another path, when the one they are on isn't working. Which what you have consistently have alluded to in many of these topics, especially about the human condition (your own). Yet at the same time, you stick to a certain form of thought, that always is missing it's mark. Why? Why so dismissive? Why talk with a certain form of conceitedness?

Or.... some are visionaires and always see of how the "path" may be improved. These are the ones who drive the evolution. You know.. the ape who decided to use the stick instead of an arm...