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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #175 on: December 17, 2014, 05:22:33 PM »
The last week or two i have been training with more machines and using lighter weights. I keep thinking i will lose muscles but i know that is not the case. its all  in my head.

I gave that a try this year with higher volume.
I diped below the 220 mark, not good!

I gave up going to failure, doing faster reps so the TUT would not be too much, faster rests... Just did not work. Absolute last time I ever try volume. Machines are good, not against them at all. Just not all machines. Odd how you feel the muscle working more while doing it, but just does not work the muscle the same. Yet you hear people often claim "the muscle can't tell the difference" funny people...

I gave up squats for a long time as my legs did not need them to match the rest of me. Well that shit catches up with you. 2 sessions of box squats has them looking more like they should, something about moving heavy ass free weights just works! Will science ever prove this? Not holding my breath on it.

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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #176 on: December 17, 2014, 05:29:15 PM »
I gave that a try this year with higher volume.
I diped below the 220 mark, not good!

I gave up going to failure, doing faster reps so the TUT would not be too much, faster rests... Just did not work. Absolute last time I ever try volume. Machines are good, not against them at all. Just not all machines. Odd how you feel the muscle working more while doing it, but just does not work the muscle the same. Yet you hear people often claim "the muscle can't tell the difference" funny people...

I gave up squats for a long time as my legs did not need them to match the rest of me. Well that shit catches up with you. 2 sessions of box squats has them looking more like they should, something about moving heavy ass free weights just works! Will science ever prove this? Not holding my breath on it.



Actually, they have done studies where they compared free weight to machine exercises and they have shown a better response from free weights.

http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/new-study-pits-barbell-squats-against-leg-press-machine

Ten healthy men volunteered for the study, each with experience in strength training. On one day they performed six sets of ten reps of leg press, starting with 80% of 1RM. On another day, after plenty of rest, they returned to the lab to perform the squat workout, which was also six sets of ten reps, starting with 80% of 1RM. During each of these workouts, the participants were sporting a catheter inserted into their arms so blood could be sampled quickly.

In a result that surprised no one, barbell squats produced significantly higher levels of testosterone and growth hormone. At the greatest difference, which occurred during the workout, testosterone was about 25% higher when performing full squats versus leg press. But the difference in growth hormone was incredible. Squats produced a full 200% more growth hormone during the workout. Even thirty minutes after the workout, participants who did squats still had 100% more growth hormone as when they performed the leg press. Double your growth hormone, double your fun? Cortisol levels also rose more after the squat workout, further confirming the squat workout was a fundamentally different physiological experience.
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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #177 on: December 17, 2014, 05:32:06 PM »
Actually, they have done studies where they compared free weight to machine exercises and they have shown a better response from free weights.

http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/new-study-pits-barbell-squats-against-leg-press-machine

Ten healthy men volunteered for the study, each with experience in strength training. On one day they performed six sets of ten reps of leg press, starting with 80% of 1RM. On another day, after plenty of rest, they returned to the lab to perform the squat workout, which was also six sets of ten reps, starting with 80% of 1RM. During each of these workouts, the participants were sporting a catheter inserted into their arms so blood could be sampled quickly.

In a result that surprised no one, barbell squats produced significantly higher levels of testosterone and growth hormone. At the greatest difference, which occurred during the workout, testosterone was about 25% higher when performing full squats versus leg press. But the difference in growth hormone was incredible. Squats produced a full 200% more growth hormone during the workout. Even thirty minutes after the workout, participants who did squats still had 100% more growth hormone as when they performed the leg press. Double your growth hormone, double your fun? Cortisol levels also rose more after the squat workout, further confirming the squat workout was a fundamentally different physiological experience.

Well, well, gonna read the whole thing later, but awesome post man! Chest machines have me go totally flat it's just unbelievable. I'd guess the same applies to a bench VS some machine chest press...
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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #178 on: December 17, 2014, 05:35:05 PM »
https://www.acefitness.org/acefit/expert-insight-article/47/4947/ace-study-reveals-best-biceps-exercises/

To determine which exercise is the most beneficial for activating the biceps brachii, researchers compiled a list of the eight most commonly used exercises for targeting the biceps:

    Cable curl
    Barbell curl
    Concentration curl
    Chin-up
    EZ Curl (with both wide and narrow grip)
    Incline curl
    Preacher curl

Next, the researchers recruited 16 healthy, female and male volunteers (eight men and eight women) between the ages of 18 and 24. All of the subjects had some form of weightlifting experience to ensure that during testing the exercises would be performed correctly.

Prior to the actual study, each subject attended one practice session in which researchers made sure that the subjects understood how to perform each of the exercises and were acquainted with the testing procedures. To establish a baseline of fitness, the subjects also completed a one-repetition maximum (1-RM) for each of the eight exercises. 

On the first day of testing, researchers affixed electrodes on the biceps brachii (BB), anterior deltoid (AD) and the brachioradialis (BR) of each subject to measure total muscle activity via a wireless electromyography (EMG) machine. Next, subjects began by completing a maximum voluntary contraction (MVC) for the biceps by performing an isometric one-arm cable curl. Following that, researchers randomly assigned four more biceps exercises for the subject to complete. For those lifts that did not use body weight, the subjects used 70 percent of their 1-RM as resistance. A rest period of two minutes was given between each exercise to ensure that subjects were not too tired to complete the required reps. On the second day of testing, subjects were hooked up to the EMG machine again, began with a MVC and then completed each of the four remaining biceps exercises.

THE RESULTS

Immediately following both testing sessions, researchers crunched the numbers. When compared to the other seven exercises, the concentration curl came out on top, eliciting significantly higher muscle activation of the biceps than any other exercise tested (Figure 1).
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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #179 on: December 17, 2014, 05:37:01 PM »
Well, well, gonna read the whole thing later, but awesome post man! Chest machines have me go totally flat it's just unbelievable. I'd guess the same applies to a bench VS some machine chest press...

I would guess so, but are you talking about hammer strength machine press or smith machine press?

It would be interesting to compare hammer strength chest press to smith machine chest press. Since both are machine-related type of exercises.
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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #180 on: December 17, 2014, 05:38:40 PM »
Quick!!! Send that arm growth info to Dan Hill so he can finally...
But, not saying I agree with that info, but a nice reminder to give them a try.
Been liking cables oddly for biceps using a 3-0-3-2 tempo.
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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #181 on: December 17, 2014, 05:40:50 PM »
I would guess so, but are you talking about hammer strength machine press or smith machine press?

It would be interesting to compare hammer strength chest press to smith machine chest press. Since both are machine-related type of exercises.

No hammer stuff at my gym. All Atlantis (giving up my location kinda, but meh, nothing to hide...) Atlantis has some nice stuff.

They got a replica of the unilateral lat pulldown and that just smokes any other movement for me. The pullover (which I do unilateal as well) is stellar. Oddly for back width, I need all machines.
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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #182 on: December 17, 2014, 06:31:46 PM »
No hammer stuff at my gym. All Atlantis (giving up my location kinda, but meh, nothing to hide...) Atlantis has some nice stuff.

They got a replica of the unilateral lat pulldown and that just smokes any other movement for me. The pullover (which I do unilateal as well) is stellar. Oddly for back width, I need all machines.

good deal, most of the Atlantis plate loaded stuff is great. I wish we could get more of it here in the US


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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #183 on: December 17, 2014, 06:35:56 PM »
https://www.acefitness.org/acefit/expert-insight-article/47/4947/ace-study-reveals-best-biceps-exercises/

To determine which exercise is the most beneficial for activating the biceps brachii, researchers compiled a list of the eight most commonly used exercises for targeting the biceps:

    Cable curl
    Barbell curl
    Concentration curl
    Chin-up
    EZ Curl (with both wide and narrow grip)
    Incline curl
    Preacher curl

Next, the researchers recruited 16 healthy, female and male volunteers (eight men and eight women) between the ages of 18 and 24. All of the subjects had some form of weightlifting experience to ensure that during testing the exercises would be performed correctly.

Prior to the actual study, each subject attended one practice session in which researchers made sure that the subjects understood how to perform each of the exercises and were acquainted with the testing procedures. To establish a baseline of fitness, the subjects also completed a one-repetition maximum (1-RM) for each of the eight exercises. 

On the first day of testing, researchers affixed electrodes on the biceps brachii (BB), anterior deltoid (AD) and the brachioradialis (BR) of each subject to measure total muscle activity via a wireless electromyography (EMG) machine. Next, subjects began by completing a maximum voluntary contraction (MVC) for the biceps by performing an isometric one-arm cable curl. Following that, researchers randomly assigned four more biceps exercises for the subject to complete. For those lifts that did not use body weight, the subjects used 70 percent of their 1-RM as resistance. A rest period of two minutes was given between each exercise to ensure that subjects were not too tired to complete the required reps. On the second day of testing, subjects were hooked up to the EMG machine again, began with a MVC and then completed each of the four remaining biceps exercises.

THE RESULTS

Immediately following both testing sessions, researchers crunched the numbers. When compared to the other seven exercises, the concentration curl came out on top, eliciting significantly higher muscle activation of the biceps than any other exercise tested (Figure 1).

Makes sense.

The bros in the prison movies were always doing concentration curls in their cells and they all had pretty jacked arms.

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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #184 on: December 17, 2014, 06:40:28 PM »
Makes sense.

The bros in the prison movies were always doing concentration curls in their cells and they all had pretty jacked arms.

haha lol. yes!!! im going to do some concentration curls tomorrow so i can get jacked arms!!
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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #185 on: December 17, 2014, 06:41:45 PM »
concentration curls are also tits as you can use your free hand to talk on your cell...
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« Reply #186 on: December 18, 2014, 03:54:46 AM »
I would guess so, but are you talking about hammer strength machine press or smith machine press?

It would be interesting to compare hammer strength chest press to smith machine chest press. Since both are machine-related type of exercises.

A Hammer would prob win when it comes to % fiber recruitment (harder contraction and unilateral movement)

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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #187 on: December 18, 2014, 11:29:11 AM »
So... two things don't allow to train hard 6-7 days a week:

1. CNS burnout
2. "You grow when you rest"

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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #188 on: December 18, 2014, 11:32:04 AM »
So... two things don't allow to train hard 6-7 days a week:

1. CNS burnout
2. "You grow when you rest"

It depends on the person. Some folks could probably train every day for years. Other people might only be able to do 3 days a week without overtraining. Just gotta figure out what works for you.

I think I'll stick with 5 to 6 days a week and see how my body likes it. I know 5 days is good, gonna try 6 and see what happens.

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Re: Lift 6-7x days a week?
« Reply #189 on: December 18, 2014, 11:57:19 AM »
It depends on the person. Some folks could probably train every day for years. Other people might only be able to do 3 days a week without overtraining. Just gotta figure out what works for you.

I think I'll stick with 5 to 6 days a week and see how my body likes it. I know 5 days is good, gonna try 6 and see what happens.

I really like 5-6 as long as my schedule supports it. I vary the volume to keep my CNS ::) from burning out.

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« Reply #190 on: December 18, 2014, 12:13:45 PM »
That shit's for pussies. I train 8, even 9 days a week sometimes.

In all 57 states of the USA?   ;D

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« Reply #191 on: December 18, 2014, 04:18:05 PM »
It depends on the person. Some folks could probably train every day for years. Other people might only be able to do 3 days a week without overtraining. Just gotta figure out what works for you.

I think I'll stick with 5 to 6 days a week and see how my body likes it. I know 5 days is good, gonna try 6 and see what happens.

This, and the type of training split, intensity, volume & frequency.

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« Reply #192 on: December 18, 2014, 05:25:47 PM »
Thou shalt lift for six days, and the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest.