Jay had pro-level quad mass at 19

[Royalty]

He didn't have the striations or separation yet; but his quads were definitely huge at 19

[240 is Back]

Doesn't look like either man pictured could bench press 5 plates on the hammer strength.   Just saying.

[TheShape.]

Pro level doses too

[Grape Ape]

Pro level doses too

Yeah, it looks when he started bodybuilding, he just hit the ground running in all aspects of it.

[Royalty]

Yeah, it looks when he started bodybuilding, he just hit the ground running in all aspects of it.

Yeah, Thanks to Chris Aceto

[Mitch]

Jay was and will ever be blocky. At least, a young coleman had a great line.

[Sophus]

his abdominal shape was also ahead of its time

[Wiggs]

Doesn't look like either man pictured could bench press 5 plates on the hammer strength.   Just saying.

 

[Tennisballz]

Jay certainly brought a lot of mass, but should have never won any top level pro shows IMO.  Wide waist and poor aesthetics.  Sorry but for me he is by far the worst mr O.  Seems like his success was more political, but to his credit he seems like a decent guy.

[Royalty]

Jay certainly brought a lot of mass, but should have never won any top level pro shows IMO.  Wide waist and poor aesthetics.  Sorry but for me he is by far the worst mr O.  Seems like his success was more political, but to his credit he seems like a decent guy.

There were def times that he nailed his conditioning though

[Galvatron]

How did Jay afford the chemical warfare and the coaching?

[Nails]

with quads like that , who needs a wife

[Royalty]

with quads like that , who needs a wife

LOL


I do believe that he was dating Kerry at the time of the first pic

[Galvatron]

Who cheated first Kerry or Jay? Did they swing with the Tituses? Did Jay really mail his shit to Ogawa the japanese super schmoe?

[Royalty]

Who cheated first Kerry or Jay? Did they swing with the Tituses? Did Jay really mail his shit to Ogawa the japanese super schmoe?

I wish that I didn't read this

[_bruce_]

Who cheated first Kerry or Jay? Did they swing with the Tituses? Did Jay really mail his shit to Ogawa the japanese super schmoe?

Yes. The package weighed exactly 45lbs and contained mostly sashimi shits.
Ogawa's mother accidentally got a hold of the package, opened it and
lost a lung plus all sense of smelling... specialists say she will never fully recover. 

[thegamechanger]

tell us more about this Ogawa

[WannaBePro]

Jay certainly brought a lot of mass, but should have never won any top level pro shows IMO.  Wide waist and poor aesthetics.  Sorry but for me he is by far the worst mr O.  Seems like his success was more political, but to his credit he seems like a decent guy.

My vote goes to Franco being the worst Mr. O, but that's just me


Gyno, short, and bow legged with no cuts. But at least his upper body (only the chest for some reason though) was shredded...

[FermiDirac]

Doesn't look like either man pictured could bench press 5 plates on the hammer strength.   Just saying.

[Royalty]

Doesn't look like either man pictured could bench press 5 plates on the hammer strength.   Just saying.

[Tennisballz]

My vote goes to Franco being the worst Mr. O, but that's just me


Gyno, short, and bow legged with no cuts. But at least his upper body (only the chest for some reason though) was shredded...

Certainly a valid opinion.  Franco has an odd shape to me and a fairly wide waist too.  His win was definitely shady at the very least.

[Competitor 9]

From what I heard Kerry worked two jobs while all jay did was lift.. It paid off for her in the long run I guess. She got hers in the divorce

[Competitor 9]

Yeah, Thanks to Chris Aceto

Funny on rxmuscle he stated in the ask aceto thread that he just does the diet has I idea about drugs and dosnt tell them what to talk.

Some of the guys where asking well how is that possible the drugs will directly effect their diets yet he swore he does not tell they what to talk nor anything about drugs

Don't they call him the "chemist"

I also talked to amateur he trained for the USA and he told me what he had him on 

[Royalty]

Funny on rxmuscle he stated in the ask aceto thread that he just does the diet has I idea about drugs and dosnt tell them what to talk.

Some of the guys where asking well how is that possible the drugs will directly effect their diets yet he swore he does not tell they what to talk nor anything about drugs

Don't they call him the "chemist"

I also talked to amateur he trained for the USA and he told me what he had him on  

With Chris Aceto being married to Laura Creavalle during her days a a Ms Olympia competitor; and being Michael Francois' & Jay Cutler's GURUS.... There is no way possible that Aceto doesn't know about the drugs

[Redux]

Had that "H" frame from the get-go.