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DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« on: December 20, 2014, 10:29:18 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/10/18/dna-discoverer-blacks-less-intelligent-than-whites/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html

One of the world's most eminent scientists has created a racial firestorm in Britain.

James D. Watson, 79, co-discoverer of the DNA helix and winner of the 1962 Nobel Prize in medicine, told the Sunday Times of London that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing says not really."

He recognized that the prevailing belief was that all human groups are equal, but that "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true."

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2014, 10:30:48 PM »
In 2007 Watson said "I turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail because we have bad genes. They want all failure in life to be due to the evil system."

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2014, 10:32:24 PM »
This is from 2007, I think you just proved that you are a lot less intelligent that you want others to believe.

BTW,  are you going to tell us that Bush is no longer President?

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2014, 10:33:07 PM »
He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2014, 10:35:28 PM »
This is from 2007, I think you just proved that you are a lot less intelligent that you want others to believe.

BTW,  are you going to tell us that Bush is no longer President?
So what? Does not mean it is not relevant today. Since when is IQ related to referencing the latest news story? That perhaps indicates a lack of understanding on your part what constitutes intelligence?

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2014, 10:37:05 PM »
Watson has repeatedly supported genetic screening and genetic engineering in public lectures and interviews, arguing that stupidity is a disease and the "really stupid" bottom 10% of people should be cured.[84] He has also suggested that beauty could be genetically engineered, saying in 2003, "People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great."

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2014, 10:38:42 PM »
Haha I like this Watson guy!!

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2014, 10:50:14 PM »
Political Correctness isn't scientific. When politics dictates what is scientifically acceptable, you get created myths passing for science in Nazi Germany and Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union.

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2014, 10:51:13 PM »
So what? Does not mean it is not relevant today. Since when is IQ related to referencing the latest news story? That perhaps indicates a lack of understanding on your part what constitutes intelligence?
Because it's not the latest. This has already been discussed on here. And I believe a poster by the name of woten did far more justice in discussing this than you have or ever could.

Gone are those days. Getbig is a reflection of our society, and it is suffering from what Chris Cormier calls, "a lowered standard of excellence."

  
Political Correctness isn't scientific. When politics dictates what is scientifically acceptable, you get created myths passing for science in Nazi Germany and Lysenkoism in the Soviet Union.
yep.

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2014, 10:52:48 PM »
Haha I like this Watson guy!!

Agreed.

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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2014, 11:00:40 PM »
Because it's not the latest. This has already been discussed on here. And I believe a poster by the name of woten did far more justice in discussing this than you have or ever could.

Gone are those days. Getbig is a reflection of our society, and it is suffering from what Chris Cormier calls, "a lowered standard of excellence."

  yep.
Lol ok whatever. Are you stomping your foot in disagreement? Let's discuss - I was not part of of the Woten thread. I agree with Watson's assessment. Are you saying this scientist is just plain wrong?

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2014, 11:12:49 PM »
Lol ok whatever. Are you stomping your foot in disagreement? Let's discuss - I was not part of of the Woten thread. I agree with Watson's assessment. Are you saying this scientist is just plain wrong?

A colleague of Watsons dismissed his claim:

Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University in Britain, was quick to dismiss Watson's comments.

"This is Watson at his most scandalous, " Rose told the Times of London. "If he knew the literature in the subject, he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2014, 11:19:59 PM »
A colleague of Watsons dismissed his claim:

Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University in Britain, was quick to dismiss Watson's comments.

"This is Watson at his most scandalous, " Rose told the Times of London. "If he knew the literature in the subject, he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically."

Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?

Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2014, 11:27:43 PM »
Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?

Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?

I don't know, Im not Rose.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2014, 11:29:39 PM »
I don't know, Im not Rose.
What about you? You're SF1900 - what do you think about Usain Bolt? Why is he so fast? Because of genetics or culture? Is there a white man alive today that can beat him in 100 meters?

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2014, 11:31:09 PM »
No whites or asians in this race - why? Is it genetics or culture?


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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2014, 11:36:44 PM »
"Culture" is currently vastly overemphasized in academic circles. Typically by those afraid to trace phenomenon to root causes. Easier to pass the buck to "culture". The epochal geniuses in history typically made an impact despite their cultures, not because of them.  Notably such figures as Socrates, Hypatia,Bruno, Galileo, even Christ were all persecuted or killed for their genius which achieved in spite of their culture, not because of it.

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2014, 12:15:10 AM »
Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?

Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?

Brilliantly summarized!! I have to remember that one.

Look at bodybuilding, at all levels there are generally more successful black athletes than there are white, and very few Asians. Black people will happily make comments its "in the genes". Yet for a scientist to suggest intelligence is "in the genes" is akin to blasphemy.

It amazing peoples denial of what is right in front of them. In the liberal left wing view of the world 2 + 2 = 6

One race has some physical advantages = acceptable
One race has some mental advantages = unacceptable

If one race can have a physical advantage because within their genetic makeup they are pre-disposed to carrying more of a specific type of muscle fiber, why cant another race be pre-disposed to have a larger or structurally different brain. To reject that this could be possible is absolute madness from a scientific view.

How many great Africans physicists, chemists, biologists, engineers are there that people can name off the top of their head. None spring to mind. The few that there are that came from the US, were usually far from pure Africans, but usually mixed with European ancestry.

Why is Africa still bumbling around whilst, China, India and South America make progress.

How many successful African car manufacturers are there...none.
Name an African country with a great manufacturing and engineering background...none.
Name a highly renowned center of learning and education in Africa, that the super rich Chinese and Arabs want to send their children to....none.

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2014, 12:20:59 AM »
In Ghana they are good with computers. The best in Africa. It's like the TECH. Capital.
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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2014, 01:00:47 AM »
Would Rose dismiss my claim that blacks are more genetically superior in the 100 meter dash? Would you SF1900? Is there a white man that can run faster than Usain Bolt? Is it because of his cultural background that USAIN is faster than any white man? Or because of his genetics?

Is a cheetah faster than a lion because of genetics or is there another reason? Does genetics not exist?


Brilliantly summarized!! I have to remember that one.

Look at bodybuilding, at all levels there are generally more successful black athletes than there are white, and very few Asians. Black people will happily make comments its "in the genes". Yet for a scientist to suggest intelligence is "in the genes" is akin to blasphemy.

It amazing peoples denial of what is right in front of them. In the liberal left wing view of the world 2 + 2 = 6

One race has some physical advantages = acceptable
One race has some mental advantages = unacceptable

If one race can have a physical advantage because within their genetic makeup they are pre-disposed to carrying more of a specific type of muscle fiber, why cant another race be pre-disposed to have a larger or structurally different brain. To reject that this could be possible is absolute madness from a scientific view.

How many great Africans physicists, chemists, biologists, engineers are there that people can name off the top of their head. None spring to mind. The few that there are that came from the US, were usually far from pure Africans, but usually mixed with European ancestry.

Why is Africa still bumbling around whilst, China, India and South America make progress.

How many successful African car manufacturers are there...none.
Name an African country with a great manufacturing and engineering background...none.
Name a highly renowned center of learning and education in Africa, that the super rich Chinese and Arabs want to send their children to....none.













Exactly Right.
There are a lot of pre-PC era studies to back up the genetic differences mentally & physically.
Only We are now not supposed to mention the genetic mental differences.

We only have to look around the world to see what parts have progressed in technology
& who haven't.
We can also See the genetic differences in people around the world in terms of hair, height,
Facial, colour, & very much so in Sports.

But we have to pretend the Mentality side of things we are all exactly the Same.
Yeah Right of Course We Are.

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2014, 01:10:25 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/10/18/dna-discoverer-blacks-less-intelligent-than-whites/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html

One of the world's most eminent scientists has created a racial firestorm in Britain.

James D. Watson, 79, co-discoverer of the DNA helix and winner of the 1962 Nobel Prize in medicine, told the Sunday Times of London that he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing says not really."

He recognized that the prevailing belief was that all human groups are equal, but that "people who have to deal with black employees find this not true."

Clearly a right wing racist.  Show me the science!














































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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2014, 01:35:32 AM »
Exactly Right.
There are a lot of pre-PC era studies to back up the genetic differences mentally & physically.
Only We are now not supposed to mention the genetic mental differences.

We only have to look around the world to see what parts have progressed in technology
& who haven't.
We can also See the genetic differences in people around the world in terms of hair, height,
Facial, colour, & very much so in Sports.


But we have to pretend the Mentality side of things we are all exactly the Same.
Yeah Right of Course We Are.


Here they produce stats on different ethnic groups, how well they perform in school and college. Routinely you see Chinese at the top of the list of academic performance, followed by whites and Indians, Africans are always at the bottom year in year out.  No matter what country around the world you pick, almost the same profile is seen every time.

People then say its because they are disadvantaged and because their culture is different, but actually culture is a by-product of a peoples thought processes. Culture is doesn't come first, thinking comes first and culture comes as a by product of the collective minds of a community. The Chinese collectively have a do well at school, make money, work hard mentality, this is then reflected in their culture collectively, hence why their parents pressure their kids to study. Its not the other way round, the culture doesn't make the people, the people make the culture, and its the genes that make the people.




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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2014, 05:09:47 AM »
Play it again, Sam.

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2014, 05:16:42 AM »
yes we all need scientists to figure this one out for us  ::)

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Re: DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2014, 05:21:52 AM »
I read recently that Watson is actually selling his Nobel prize that he won for his co-discovery of DNA because he has become a complete pariah and unemployable since these comments. To his credit, he hasn't apologozed of retraced his comments; he stands by them.