Vince Basile has a patent for his biceps machine.

[thegamechanger]

who would win between his arm wrestling machine and your bicep machine?

[Vince B]

who would win between his arm wrestling machine and your bicep machine?

The guy who invented the arm wrestling machine was Neil Lewis. He got me to demonstrate the machine at the contest and took some photos.

In return I was given one of those machines but since I left Canada months after winning the title I gave the machine to big Jim Forsythe.

It was a simple leverage device but was quite effective. I never did set it up and use it.

[DroppingPlates]

Something like this Panatta machine? This is a good (read: mean) machine, though I prefer free weights.

[Vince B]

Something like this Panatta machine? This is a good (read: mean) machine, though I prefer free weights.

The Panatta Arm machine has only one degree of freedom, namely flexion or curling. There is no supination possible or resistance for that degree of freedom.

In addition, I discovered that the supports behind the arms are not necessary and might even interfere with the movement in some individuals. Namely those

with large or thick arms. So I removed my supports that were adjustable in three directions and thus simplified my machine. I also have footrests in front of and

not under the seat of the user. I haven't tried that particular machine so I can't comment on the movement or how it feels, etc.

In the clearer photo below you can see one mistake in the design. You never put pads under the elbows! Why? Well, if the elbows rub against a pad with some

friction then damage to the sheath that runs over the joint can be damaged and that can be permanent. If you are going to include pads then they should be above

the elbow joint so that no contact can occur. This is also very important in triceps, and leg curl machines. The knees shouldn't contact pads, either.

[thegamechanger]

whatabout elbows on pads in the preacher curl machine? personally i never liked that feeling

[Powerlift66]

Great arm wrestling photo with Vince & Jim, very cool.
Yes, I was asking Vince B. about his schooling/training, but also glad Vince G. answered.

Vince G. is a great and very smart person himself... No H-Mo (on my part at least).

[Donny]

Apparently in his hey Day Steve Reeves atached a Bar on an incline Bench so his arms never moved. The Bar was wide enough so there was no discumfort. He pronated during the curl. Another simple but not seen much is lying Dumbbell curls which is strict.. prefer free weights myself but i would like to try Vince´s Machine.

[Vince B]

whatabout elbows on pads in the preacher curl machine? personally i never liked that feeling

This is a dangerous exercise. As the weight gets heavier the force on the elbows increases and damage can be done.

I have a couple of Nautilus Biceps machines and I have altered both of them by moving the pads back about 2 1/2 or 3 inches. This

improves the machine heaps because that moves the chest pad closer which fits just right for most people. This is a simple

adjustment but you need a welder.

[Vince B]

Apparently in his hey Day Steve Reeves atached a Bar on an incline Bench so his arms never moved. The Bar was wide enough so there was no discumfort. He pronated during the curl. Another simple but not seen much is lying Dumbbell curls which is strict.. prefer free weights myself but i would like to try Vince´s Machine.

The way Reeves did this exercise doesn't look very comfortable. Might be okay for light dumbbells.

When I was designing my biceps-supinator machine I considered all versions of biceps machines. There were three variations. Most had the user bend over the pads like in the photo of the guy doing a curl.

Then Nautilus had the user sit down and have his arms raised to shoulder level and perform the curl up high. They even made a version where the arms were besides the ears and that was superior

but not many guys used it. The last version was the seated one like the Panatta machine. That configuration allows the user to use the most weight so that is what I used. The next best is the angled version

and you are weakest when you arms are raised to your shoulders. Not sure why Nautilus settled on this version but it surely wasn't that effective as far as I am concerned.

Larry Scott used a curved bench and this helps keep the elbows from rubbing on the pads so is preferred to flat long supports.

[Donny]

Vince what are your thoughts on the offset Grips Reeves used when using dumbbells? I believe he used them on flys too. He believed the offset grip supinated the hand naturally. he even loaded the bell so more weight was on the side closest to your thumb, other side against the inner plate on the small finger side.

[Vince B]

Vince what are your thoughts on the offset Grips Reeves used when using dumbbells? I believe he used them on flys too. He believed the offset grip supinated the hand naturally. he even loaded the bell so more weight was on the side closest to your thumb, other side against the inner plate on the small finger side.

Smart guy that Reeves. Yes, you can get resistance for the supinator muscles by holding dumbbells via the grips closer to the sides adjacent to your legs and not in the middle of the grips. Larry Scott showed us how to do these 'supination curls'. You start with the dumbbells facing each

other on your thighs. Then start curling them up slowly and turning them inward until your little fingers are higher than your thumbs. You have to achieve full supination before the dumbbells are half way up. He did the same thing on the Scott bench and

he claimed this helped make his biceps developed right to his elbows. You can make special dumbbells with wider than usual grips and that will make the supination part harder which is what you want. Or as you mentioned simply load more plates

on the side furthest away from your thumbs. Even 5 pounds will be enough to make it much harder to curl and supinate at the same time. Then add more plates to that far side as you get stronger.

[Donny]

Smart guy that Reeves. Yes, you can get resistance for the supinator muscles by holding dumbbells via the grips closer to the sides adjacent to your legs and not in the middle of the grips. Larry Scott showed us how to do these 'supination curls'. You start with the dumbbells facing each

other on your thighs. Then start curling them up slowly and turning them inward until your little fingers are higher than your thumbs. You have to achieve full supination before the dumbbells are half way up. He did the same thing on the Scott bench and

he claimed this helped make his biceps developed right to his elbows. You can make special dumbbells with wider than usual grips and that will make the supination part harder which is what you want. Or as you mentioned simply load more plates

on the side furthest away from your thumbs. Even 5 pounds will be enough to make it much harder to curl and supinate at the same time. Then add more plates to that far side as you get stronger.

Yes thanks Vince.. just wanted your opinion.

[Howard]

Just Google it for fun. Holy shit:

http://www.google.com/patents/US5413546

Greatest invention since the electric light.

[SF1900]

[Donny]

  Got to say though ...Vince takes it on the chin...

[andreisdaman]

I doubt there are many on Getbig who have patented any new device.

What usually happens when you invent something is you build a prototype. Then you try it out and then change things

on the next prototype. After several of these cycles of testing, designing and changing you get closer to a good mechanism.

I have simplified the machine and it is now user friendly. Even some of the dumbbells here could operate it without instructions.

good job Vince...proud of you

[Erik C]

Smart guy that Reeves. Yes, you can get resistance for the supinator muscles by holding dumbbells via the grips closer to the sides adjacent to your legs and not in the middle of the grips. Larry Scott showed us how to do these 'supination curls'. You start with the dumbbells facing each

other on your thighs. Then start curling them up slowly and turning them inward until your little fingers are higher than your thumbs. You have to achieve full supination before the dumbbells are half way up. He did the same thing on the Scott bench and

he claimed this helped make his biceps developed right to his elbows. You can make special dumbbells with wider than usual grips and that will make the supination part harder which is what you want. Or as you mentioned simply load more plates

on the side furthest away from your thumbs. Even 5 pounds will be enough to make it much harder to curl and supinate at the same time. Then add more plates to that far side as you get stronger.

How does one "supinate" the wrist and forearm "inwardly?"

[Vince B]

How does one "supinate" the wrist and forearm "inwardly?"

Here you go.

[Thespritz0]

Really guys, NAUTILUS perfected "machine curls" with their machine!!
Superset with Dumbell concentration curls, and BANG!!!!

[Erik C]

Here you go.

Looks to me that the wrist and forearm are being rotated laterally, or outwardly.

[Vince B]

Looks to me that the wrist and forearm are being rotated laterally, or outwardly.

Gosh, Eric, this isn't rocket science. Just do what the fellow in the video is doing but complete the supination when the dumbbells at waist high.

[Erik C]

Gosh, Eric, this isn't rocket science. Just do what the fellow in the video is doing but complete the supination when the dumbbells at waist high.

Even rocket science has to be accurately described, in order to launch rockets. You said "turning inward," several times in this thread, when "turning outward", laterally away from the body, would be the correct instruction for supination of the wrist and forearm.

[SF1900]

Even rocket science has to be accurately described, in order to launch rockets. You said "turning inward," several times in this thread, when "turning outward", laterally away from the body, would be the correct instruction for supination of the wrist and forearm.

Do not listen to Basile. He is an old, delusional moron, who claims to have a theory of hypertrophy. He has presented no evidence of this theory, then tells us we do not know what a "theory" is. At 70+, he is still chasing hypertrophy, instead of doing something meaningful with his life. Not to mention he rigged his Mr. Canada win.

[Erik C]

Do not listen to Basile. He is an old, delusional moron, who claims to have a theory of hypertrophy. He has presented no evidence of this theory, then tells us we do not know what a "theory" is. At 70+, he is still chasing hypertrophy, instead of doing something meaningful with his life. Not to mention he rigged his Mr. Canada win.

If that is true, then I, being new here, was unaware of his history. I was only pointing out what I saw as incorrect instructions being given out.

[SF1900]

If that is true, then I, being new here, was unaware of his history. I was only pointing out what I saw as incorrect instructions being given out.

He is andelusional idiot, who claims to have a theory of hypertrophy. When pressed to present evidence, he never does and just goes on and on. OMR called him out on this, and Basile got his panties in a bunch. It was pretty funny.

He is the ABSOLUTE last person you want to take training advice from.