"He was a good kid", When does the general public begin to push back?

[tonymctones]

So I just read an article about a college football player in Texas who was killed while performing a home invasion. The interviewed one of his coaches and he referred to the guy as a "good kid"

Seriously???

Sorry he wasnt a good kid, the kid shot in St. Louis for pulling a gun wasnt a good kid, Mike Brown wasnt a good kid, Trayvon Martin wasnt a good kid.

When will the general public begin to call out the parents of these idiots?

[flipper5470]

People are pussies...they don't want to tell Mike Brown's step dad that his son was a violent criminal who died a predictably violent death because speaking that way isn't "nice".   Unfortunately...we live in a feminized culture that values being "nice" over being truthful, so I don't think things will change any time soon

[tonymctones]

sorry a link to the referenced story.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12079564/terrence-neal-tusan-howard-bison-killed-robbery-called-good-kid

[Pray_4_War]

It's funny how certain groups of people put heavy value on "keeping it real", but when you attempt to keep it real with them, they flip out.

Let me keep it real for a minute.  Thieves and violent thugs usually meet a violent demise, often at the hands of cops.  They are not, "gentle giants", they are not "good kids".  They are the scum of society.

[James28]

Because intelligent people ignore these stories by reflex. In fact, they barely read the news any more as it's a complete insult to intelligence. Morons lap it up and believe the media.

[Jack T. Cross]

What's the concern? I would much rather see people focus on the positive.

Many of them are still processing the info while shocked, anyway. I would be very concerned if they said otherwise of the person.

[tonymctones]

What's the concern? I would much rather see people focus on the positive.

Many of them are still processing the info while shocked, anyway. I would be very concerned if they said otherwise of the person.

focusing on the positive after some time has passed is actually a very common thing.

The concern is that the idea of them being a "good kid" isnt reality. If the people that had influence over these kids realized that they werent good kids earlier, they may have been able to change their behavior prior to the stupidity that lead to their death while being what their parents call a "good kid"

why would you prefer a person make shit up about a person rather than tell the truth?

[Al Doggity]

So I just read an article about a college football player in Texas who was killed while performing a home invasion. The interviewed one of his coaches and he referred to the guy as a "good kid"

Seriously???

First of all, dunderhead, you couldn't have picked a worse story to illustrate your "point". The coach who calls
him a good kid does so because he says he was not familiar with him having any drug or crime connections and the kid got good grades. In that very article he goes on to say that he can't understand why the young man he knew would throw his life away like that.

Secondly, JackTCross is right! What the fuck are people supposed to push back against?! People are generally memorialized positively by their loved ones when they die. What should he have said? "The kid was a shitbag who deserved to die."

Finally, push back?   How do you think you know what you think you know about Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin? Is there some more extreme form of "push back" that you think is more suitable? Should the general public arrive at that coach's house to deliver an old-fashioned Iraqi shoe bashing?

Newsflash: People have emotional blinders on when loved ones die.  This million year old trend shows no signs of letting up. What the fuck are you even talking about!?

[tonymctones]

First of all, dunderhead, you couldn't have picked a worse story to illustrate your "point". The coach who calls
him a good kid does so because he says he was not familiar with him having any drug or crime connections and the kid got good grades. In that very article he goes on to say that he can't understand why the young man he knew would throw his life away like that.

Secondly, JackTCross is right! What the fuck are people supposed to push back against?! People are generally memorialized positively by their loved ones when they die. What should he have said? "The kid was a shitbag who deserved to die."

Finally, push back?  How do you think you know what you think you know about Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin? Is there some more extreme form of "push back" that you think is more suitable? Should the general public arrive at that coach's house to deliver an old-fashioned Iraqi shoe bashing?

Newsflash: People have emotional blinders on when loved ones die.  This million year old trend shows no signs of letting up. What the fuck are you even talking about!?

first of all the coach was described as a family friend so yea he knew this kid outside of being a coach.

second I agreed that memorializing people in a postive manner is a very common practice that doesnt change the FACT these kids were not "good kids". You dont have to say youre happy he is dead but recognizing that he wasnt leading a "good life" and saying that their idiotic decisions are what led to their death is to much to ask apparently?

Finally I am a member of a community of people who the Mike Browns/Trayvon Martins of the world put at risk every day. You may be happy  to stand by while they go through their lives being good kids robbing and stealing but I for one am not. I believe you meant to ask "How do you think you know what you think you know about Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin is correct?" well the facts tell us so albert.

Newsflash: Parents should be parents and teach their kids right from wrong. Its obvious these kids had weak moral compuses. Do you think their parents recognized that these kids were shit heads before they died and all of a sudden felt they were "good kids" after they died?

[Al Doggity]

first of all the coach was described as a family friend so yea he knew this kid outside of being a coach.

And?

second I agreed that memorializing people in a postive manner is a very common practice that doesnt change the FACT these kids were not "good kids". You dont have to say youre happy he is dead but recognizing that he wasnt leading a "good life" and saying that their idiotic decisions are what led to their death is to much to ask apparently?

That's exactly what the guy did do.

Finally I am a member of a community of people who the Mike Browns/Trayvon Martins of the world put at risk every day. You may be happy  to stand by while they go through their lives being good kids robbing and stealing but I for one am not. I believe you meant to ask "How do you think you know what you think you know about Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin is correct?" well the facts tell us so albert.

No, I meant what I posted. You know what you think you know because it has been reported in the media and has been discussed. What other type of "pushback" do you think there should be?

Newsflash: Parents should be parents and teach their kids right from wrong. Its obvious these kids had weak moral compuses. Do you think their parents recognized that these kids were shit heads before they died and all of a sudden felt they were "good kids" after they died?

[tonymctones]

And?

and? you dumb fuck he was a family friend. The video report didnt say anything about him not knowing of any drug related/crime issues and even if thats what he said it OBVIOUSLY isnt true.

That's exactly what the guy did do.

I understand thats what the guy did, and he is wrong. This shit head wasnt a "good kid" and people should point that out to him and others like him.

No, I meant what I posted. You know what you think you know because it has been reported in the media and has been discussed. What other type of "pushback" do you think there should be?

I know what I know b/c its fact. This shit head died in a home invasion if you want to speculate you can say it was probably drug related. The push back should be society reaming this morons a new ass hole and shoving it in their face that the piece of shit wasnt a "good kid". Maybe then the parents of other shit heads will wake up and start parenting their shit head kids.

what benefit do you see by lying?

lets see al what do you disagree with? that parents are responsible for teaching their kids right from wrong? or that these kids had weak moral compuses?

[tonymctones]

and? you dumb fuck he was a family friend. The video report didnt say anything about him not knowing of any drug related/crime issues and even if thats what he said it OBVIOUSLY isnt true.

Edit - I do see where he said that and as I stated it obviously isnt true, does a home invasion sound like something a good kid would be involved in?

[Al Doggity]

and? you dumb fuck he was a family friend. The video report didnt say anything about him not knowing of any drug related/crime issues and even if thats what he said it OBVIOUSLY isnt true.
I understand thats what the guy did, and he is wrong. This shit head wasnt a "good kid" and people should point that out to him and others like him.
I know what I know b/c its fact. This shit head died in a home invasion if you want to speculate you can say it was probably drug related. The push back should be society reaming this morons a new ass hole and shoving it in their face that the piece of shit wasnt a "good kid". Maybe then the parents of other shit heads will wake up and start parenting their shit head kids.

what benefit do you see by lying?
lets see al what do you disagree with? that parents are responsible for teaching their kids right from wrong? or that these kids had weak moral compuses?

You are a moron.

[Al Doggity]

Edit - I do see where he said that and as I stated it obviously isnt true, does a home invasion sound like something a good kid would be involved in?

You are a moron pt II.

[tonymctones]

LMFAO listen to the mother of the latest shit head to be shot for pointing a gun at a cop.

Even she hesitates when saying that "he was a good man" at the .23 mark

[Jack T. Cross]

focusing on the positive after some time has passed is actually a very common thing.

The concern is that the idea of them being a "good kid" isnt reality. If the people that had influence over these kids realized that they werent good kids earlier, they may have been able to change their behavior prior to the stupidity that lead to their death while being what their parents call a "good kid"

why would you prefer a person make shit up about a person rather than tell the truth?

If the person is referring to his/her experiences with someone: that probably isn't making shit up, is it?

[tonymctones]

You are a moron.

youre right albert they are all just good kids

[tonymctones]

If the person is referring to his/her experiences with someone: that probably isn't making shit up, is it?

it is at the very least ignoring obvious signs to the contrary, isnt it?

at worst an outright lie...

again why would you prefer that a person lie about a person rather than tell the truth?

[Jack T. Cross]

it is at the very least ignoring obvious signs to the contrary, isnt it?

How do I know the person was ignoring obvious signs? I have no way of knowing what their relationship was like.

at worst an outright lie...

again why would you prefer that a person lie about a person rather than tell the truth?

If I don't know what their relationship was like, I couldn't possibly say whether the person is lying.

Neither can you.

[Al Doggity]

youre right albert they are all just good kids

You are a moron because you post an article critical of behavior that isn't even present in the article. An example of exactly the opposite is actually shown.

You are an idiot because you made a thread wondering why people don't trash their teenaged loved ones shortly after they've been killed.

You are retarded because this thread doesn't even have a point. When I pointed out that the "example" you posted is exactly the opposite of what you are complaining about, the guy is obviously lying, blah blah blah.  

I mean, you are just ridiculous.  You post the most non-sensical shit...

[tonymctones]

How do I know the person was ignoring obvious signs? I have no way of knowing what their relationship was like.

If I don't know what their relationship was like, I couldn't possibly say whether the person is lying.

Neither can you.

you dont think their final act which led to their death is being ignored jack?

you think that the coach took into account that this kid just commited a home invasion when he said "he was a good kid"?

seriously you think the mother of the kid who pulled a gun on the cop and got shot took that into account when she said he was a "good kid"?

you think mike browns parents took into account the fact he had just robbed a store and fought with a police officer into account when they said he was a "good kid"?

how about trayvon martins parents, did they take into account the drugs, guns and theft when they said he was a "good kid"?

its obvious to anyone who looks at these people that they werent "good kids".

why ignore facts a best and outright lie at worst?

[Jack T. Cross]

you dont think their final act which led to their death is being ignored jack?

you think that the coach took into account that this kid just commited a home invasion when he said "he was a good kid"?

seriously you think the mother of the kid who pulled a gun on the cop and got shot took that into account when she said he was a "good kid"?

you think mike browns parents took into account the fact he had just robbed a store and fought with a police officer into account when they said he was a "good kid"?

how about trayvon martins parents, did they take into account the drugs, guns and theft when they said he was a "good kid"?

its obvious to anyone who looks at these people that they werent "good kids".

why ignore facts a best and outright lie at worst?

I'm trying to understand what you mean. Do you want the person to join in the condemnation of the individual in question, in order to attempt to show respect for the situation?

[Al Doggity]

you dont think their final act which led to their death is being ignored jack?

you think that the coach took into account that this kid just commited a home invasion when he said "he was a good kid"?

  From the article you posted:

"You have to wonder, what would be the purpose to throw his life away?" Nevels said,

[Al Doggity]

I'm trying to understand what you mean. Do you want the person to join in the condemnation of the individual in question, in order to attempt to show respect for the situation?

He doesn't know what he means. He's already changed points three different times and this thread isn't even a page long yet.

[tonymctones]

I'm trying to understand what you mean. Do you want the person to join in the condemnation of the individual in question, in order to attempt to show respect for the situation?

i would settle for the general public yourself included condemning the person who lies and says they were a "good kid" especially in the case of their parents.

Every time some kid commits some stupid act and dies there is always somebody that comes out and says they were a "good kid". In the vast majority of those cases especially the slew that have been given attention recently it is obviously a big fat lie.

Antonio Martin wasnt a good kid
Mike Brown wasnt a good kid
Trayvon Martin wasnt a good kid