Concealed carry questions (aj)

[Bernie King]

I'm sure you would rather polish my head.

You are too weak to defend yourself against the thugs you fantasize of blasting away with your gun (because you can't fight). You are just a little pussy and that's all you will ever be. Keep your head in the sand, chicken (shit).

[visualizeperfection]

You are too weak to defend yourself against the thugs you fantasize of blasting away with your gun (because you can't fight). You are just a little pussy and that's all you will ever be. Keep your head in the sand, chicken (shit).

I don't want to fight anyone. I definitely don't want to shoot anyone. I'm an adult that minds his own business.

[240 is Back]

i'm surprised that you came to this conclusion.  there is literally no evidence to support this.  the confrontation happened so near the vehicle that martin would have HAD to have followed zim back to his car and then deliberately attacked him, all after zim had stopped following martin. 

at his truck, zimm told police "he's getting away" and ran after him.

Trayvon's body was found dead 2 blocks away. 

I'm not sure where this theory of "going back to the truck" came from lol... look at where the body is.  The only debate is whether zimmerman somehow caught trayvon trailing him - OR zimmerman (head of neighborhood watch) cut THRU the yards in order to intercept Trayvon.

There was no "circle back to truck".   LOL. 

[240 is Back]

I don't want to fight anyone. I definitely don't want to shoot anyone. I'm an adult that minds his own business.

most of us are.  My #1 option in any confrontation would be "Get.  The.  Fuck.  Out.  Of.  There."

I sure don't want a fight nor a gun battle.  I'm only talking if I'm cornered and it's the last option.   I pray I never get in a gun fight, and by being a pussy and avoiding fights and backing down from getting punched and taking the long way at times and sometimes not stopping at a place - I *have* avoided a gun fight for 17 years of carrying a piece now.

And I'll keep right on being a wimp... if shady people are at that spot, I don't care if I've got glock in my hand, I keep on to the next gas station, even if I really really really have to pee lol.

It's not worth it.  All gun owners should ditch that "stand your ground" bullshit and instead, focus on being the BIGGER WIMP in a confrontation.  I always do.  I always back down.  Now, if you are pulling my keys, my child, my wifey, well, I have to prevent a forcible felony and will use force then.  But in 99% of situations, I'm apologizing and backing down from threats, even when it's a punk idiot I could beat senseless physically.   NOT WORTH IT.   I save face because I know the glock I have could knock this little bastard right out of his shoes - but i respect life and the law, and basic decency, enough to just back down.  Every time.

[Archer77]

most of us are.  My #1 option in any confrontation would be "Get.  The.  Fuck.  Out.  Of.  There."

I sure don't want a fight nor a gun battle.  I'm only talking if I'm cornered and it's the last option.   I pray I never get in a gun fight, and by being a pussy and avoiding fights and backing down from getting punched and taking the long way at times and sometimes not stopping at a place - I *have* avoided a gun fight for 17 years of carrying a piece now.

And I'll keep right on being a wimp... if shady people are at that spot, I don't care if I've got glock in my hand, I keep on to the next gas station, even if I really really really have to pee lol.

It's not worth it.  All gun owners should ditch that "stand your ground" bullshit and instead, focus on being the BIGGER WIMP in a confrontation.  I always do.  I always back down.  Now, if you are pulling my keys, my child, my wifey, well, I have to prevent a forcible felony and will use force then.  But in 99% of situations, I'm apologizing and backing down from threats, even when it's a punk idiot I could beat senseless physically.   NOT WORTH IT.   I save face because I know the glock I have could knock this little bastard right out of his shoes - but i respect life and the law, and basic decency, enough to just back down.  Every time.

Don't carry a weapon in public.  When you start shit staining your panties the bad guy will already have your gun and be hurting more people-the first person being you.   If you know you're a major pussy and won't use your weapon why bother carrying it.  You don't save face by carrying a gun and being a pussy and not using it.  It's not that you choose not to use your weapon its that you are to scare to use it.  Big difference.

[visualizeperfection]

Don't carry a weapon in public.  When you start shit staining your panties the bad guy will already have your gun and be hurting more people-the first person being you.   If you know you're a major pussy and won't use your weapon why bother carrying it.  You don't save face by carrying a gun and being a pussy and not using it.  It's not that you choose not to use your weapon its that you are to scare to use it.  Big difference.

You must be a very brave and strong man.

[Archer77]

You must be a very brave and strong man.

I dont carry a weapon in public because I know I'm not John Wayne .  I dont carry a weapon knowing I'm to much of chicken shit to use it(240) only to turn around and try to convince  myself that being too frightened to use my weapon somehow makes me the bigger person and saves face. 

[visualizeperfection]

I dont carry a weapon in public because I know I'm not John Wayne .  I dont carry a weapon knowing I'm to much of chicken shit to use it(240) only to turn around and try to convince  myself that being too frightened to use my weapon somehow makes me the bigger person and saves face. 

You have to understand a simple fact; he is currently still alive. As we speak.


So to this day he has never had to use it.


I would forfeit my car, wallet, and the 5k watch on my wrist before I took a life.


The emotional aspect of taking a human life, the absolute legal shitstorm that would follow a fatal shooting,  and other reasons outweigh shooting "because I can".




Having said that; if I feel that being able to take my belongings is not enough, and that my life or the life of someone I am with is in danger, I will shoot without hesitation. I already have black marks on my soul, I can deal with a few more.

[_aj_]

Don't carry a weapon in public.  When you start shit staining your panties the bad guy will already have your gun and be hurting more people-the first person being you.   If you know you're a major pussy and won't use your weapon why bother carrying it.  You don't save face by carrying a gun and being a pussy and not using it.  It's not that you choose not to use your weapon its that you are to scare to use it.  Big difference.

You keep misunderstanding what the man is writing here. As a responsible gun owner, he is committing himself to strategies of avoidance and de-escalation which is laudable, reasonable and responsible (also contributes to old age).

I too carry a gun on occasion. I have had a carry permit for almost 30 years. I have been a combat instructor for civilian, law enforcement and military since 1991. I have been shot at and returned fire. 240's instincts are quite good here.

[Thong Maniac]

I don't want to fight anyone. I definitely don't want to shoot anyone. I'm an adult that minds his own business.

This

[Thong Maniac]

most of us are.  My #1 option in any confrontation would be "Get.  The.  Fuck.  Out.  Of.  There."

I sure don't want a fight nor a gun battle.  I'm only talking if I'm cornered and it's the last option.   I pray I never get in a gun fight, and by being a pussy and avoiding fights and backing down from getting punched and taking the long way at times and sometimes not stopping at a place - I *have* avoided a gun fight for 17 years of carrying a piece now.

And I'll keep right on being a wimp... if shady people are at that spot, I don't care if I've got glock in my hand, I keep on to the next gas station, even if I really really really have to pee lol.

It's not worth it.  All gun owners should ditch that "stand your ground" bullshit and instead, focus on being the BIGGER WIMP in a confrontation.  I always do.  I always back down.  Now, if you are pulling my keys, my child, my wifey, well, I have to prevent a forcible felony and will use force then.  But in 99% of situations, I'm apologizing and backing down from threats, even when it's a punk idiot I could beat senseless physically.   NOT WORTH IT.   I save face because I know the glock I have could knock this little bastard right out of his shoes - but i respect life and the law, and basic decency, enough to just back down.  Every time.

You are the one person that i feel SHOULD carry. Ego/pride should never be a reason to pull a gat and use it. You sound like a mature adult unlike many of the neo-con gun nuts posting in here

[_aj_]

The perfect pistol, IMHO: Glock 19. With +2 mags, it hold 17 rounds of 9mm and one in the pipe. For me, it handles like a dream, concealable and comfortable. I own 3.

Modern defense 9mm (Gold Dot, Critical Defense) is as effective as modern .45 and a lot less recoil.

That said, I do want a G41 in .45.

[Grape Ape]

I grew up in ohio, in public housing near cleveland.   My dad was a federal firearms dealer for years.  we had M16s laying around the house as long as I could remember.  I never really cared much for guns, didn't like them to be honest.  I always did wrestling then TKD in high school, so gun weren't my thing.

Then i moved to trailer parks in florida... EVERYONE had guns here just a part of the culture.  So when I turned 21, I got my permit and have carried ever since.   My brother shot a dude that tried to rob his pharmacy, ten years back.   Planned to execute my little bro.  That kinda solidified my belief that a gun is just a necessary tool for every man to possess.  I've taken punches and walked away from many winnable fights while armed.   Gotta be smarter than that bullshit.

So I carry to protect me and family in an unsafe world.   Two days ago, a 14 and 16yr old  were arrested for carjacking - at a gas station adjacent to a playground I visit regularly.  Nicer neighborhood too.   We're talking early high schoolers, grabbing a car while armed.  Scary shit. 

Thanks for a legit answer.

I go back and forth on the issue.

On one hand, I agree with you and I get it.  Especially  the culture part in your arean.

On the other, you're probably 100x more likely to get in a car accident than a confrontation, so why not make your family wear helmets every time you drive to protect them?  In other words, I feel the protection issue can just be an excuse because you want to carry a gun.

[240 is Back]

Carrying a gun is a total pain in ass.  I love the free feeling when I'm at a water park when i am free of that burden.   If anything ever happens, I bear that responsibility it'll probably be me trading lives with that bad guy so my family can walk away.  In most dedicated shootings, the "hero" is going in the same coroners van as the shooter.  Totally shitty responsibility. 

[_aj_]

Thanks for a legit answer.

I go back and forth on the issue.

On one hand, I agree with you and I get it.  Especially  the culture part in your arean.

On the other, you're probably 100x more likely to get in a car accident than a confrontation, so why not make your family wear helmets every time you drive to protect them?  In other words, I feel the protection issue can just be an excuse because you want to carry a gun.

It's like a life insurance policy...you hope you don't need it, but you also hope that you have it when you do need it.

[Grape Ape]

It's like a life insurance policy...you hope you don't need it, but you also hope that you have it when you do need it.

I get it, but my point is that there are plenty of other events that are soooo much more likely to happen, probability wise, that people don't plan for.

It's like living near a lake, but getting drought protection instead of flood protection.

People just get so used to having a gun, they feel wrong without it.  Heck, I feel the same way when I commute and I don't have my tactical flashlight and knife.

[LittleJ]

You keep misunderstanding what the man is writing here. As a responsible gun owner, he is committing himself to strategies of avoidance and de-escalation which is laudable, reasonable and responsible (also contributes to old age).

I too carry a gun on occasion. I have had a carry permit for almost 30 years. I have been a combat instructor for civilian, law enforcement and military since 1991. I have been shot at and returned fire. 240's instincts are quite good here.

He's jealous of 240

[Archer77]

He's jealous of 240

Littlejenkem the narc.   Somebody call the RONBULANCE littlejenkem has sand in his vagina again.

[Archer77]

You keep misunderstanding what the man is writing here. As a responsible gun owner, he is committing himself to strategies of avoidance and de-escalation which is laudable, reasonable and responsible (also contributes to old age).

I too carry a gun on occasion. I have had a carry permit for almost 30 years. I have been a combat instructor for civilian, law enforcement and military since 1991. I have been shot at and returned fire. 240's instincts are quite good here.

I understand what he's saying and I don't have a problem with someone carrying.  I just don't think someone like him should be carrying.  He is petrified of having to use his gun which means if such a necessity should arise he would immediately panic. It's fear not good judgement that prevents 240 from using his weapon. He's liable to get someone killed-most likely himself.  It's best for him and everyone else if he leaves his weapons in a safe at his home and looses the combination.

[_aj_]

I get it, but my point is that there are plenty of other events that are soooo much more likely to happen, probability wise, that people don't plan for.

Agreed, that doesn't necessarily mitigate a person's desire to remain under arms, though. In fact, we are irrational creatures when it comes to probabilistic reasoning. We don't fly, but happily take a car. Choosing to be armed is what Citizens can do in a free country.

[_aj_]

I understand what he's saying and I don't have a problem with someone carry.  I just don't think someone like him should be carrying.  He is petrified of having to use his gun which means if such a necessity should arise he would immediately panic. It's fear not good judgement that prevents 240 from using his weapon. He's liable to get someone killed-most likely himself.  It's best for him and everyone else if he leaves his weapons in a safe at his home and looses the combination.

I don't think he's petrified. I think that he has a healthy understanding of the psychological trauma that he would endure should he be forced into action. He's not saying he won't.

I go back to my classes that I used to teach. As part of the state's coursework that I taught to concealed carry applicants, part of it was use-of-force laws. Invariably, some student would ask something along the lines of "if you were going to a gunfight, what gun would you take?"

My answer is always the same, "if I knew I was going to a gunfight, I wouldn't get out of bed that day". The only gunfight you are sure to win is the one you avoid. THAT'S what 240 is attempting to impart.

Trust me, you don't want to live with the knowledge of killing another man, justified or not.

[Archer77]

I don't think he's petrified. I think that he has a healthy understanding of the psychological trauma that he would endure should he be forced into action. He's not saying he won't.

I go back to my classes that I used to teach. As part of the state's coursework that I taught to concealed carry applicants, part of it was use-of-force laws. Invariably, some student would ask something along the lines of "if you were going to a gunfight, what gun would you take?"

My answer is always the same, "if I knew I was going to a gunfight, I wouldn't get out of bed that day". The only gunfight you are sure to win is the one you avoid. THAT'S what 240 is attempting to impart.

Trust me, you don't want to live with the knowledge of killing another man, justified or not.

He's the kind of person who is approached by a bully, shits his pants and when the bully leaves he says something like "that bully is lucky I didn't punch him.  I was this close to kicking his ass"  We all knows he wasn't ever going to do a damn thing.  The only reason he says all that is to make himself feel better.

Now I'm not advocating people using their weapons at the drop of a hat and I'm sure as hell not claiming I have the stones to engage in a firefight. As I expressly stated in another post, I know I'm not John Wayne. I just think there is no point in someone like 240 carrying a weapon ever.

[LittleJ]

Littlejenkem the narc.   Somebody call the RONBULANCE littlejenkem has sand in his vagina again.

It's going to be okay brother. I'm going to enroll you in a great rehab program. You don't have to fight these demons on your own. I'm going to show you the love your parents failed to show you.

[_aj_]

He's the kind of person who is approached by a bully, shits his pants and when the bully leaves he says something like "that bully is lucky I didn't punch him.  I was this close to kicking his ass"  We all knows he wasn't ever going to do a damn thing.  The only reason he says all that is to make himself feel better.

Now I'm not advocating people using their weapons at the drop of a hat and I'm sure as hell not claiming I have the stones to engage in a firefight. As I expressly stated in another post, I know I'm not John Wayne. I just think there is no point in someone like 240 carrying a weapon ever.

I guess we will just agree to disagree here. And I pray that neither has to find out whether we are right or not.

[Archer77]

It's going to be okay brother. I'm going to enroll you in a great rehab program. You don't have to fight these demons on your own. I'm going to show you the love your parents failed to show you.

Ronbulance dispatched!  We have a jenkem overdose resulting in a severe case of butthurt.  

I guess we will just agree to disagree here. And I pray that neither has to find out whether we are right or not.

I agree with what you and 240 say in principle.  I know you believe in what your saying.  I think 240 is hiding behind good judgement when he's really just scared.