Concealed carry questions (aj)

[Teutonic Knight]

You are too weak to defend yourself against the thugs you fantasize of blasting away with your gun (because you can't fight). You are just a little pussy and that's all you will ever be. Keep your head in the sand, chicken (shit).

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He threaten to kill another GB 

[Bernie King]

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He threaten to kill another GB 

Hey sucker, you can find me on Bondi beach anytime today.

[The Ugly]

most of us are.  My #1 option in any confrontation would be "Get.  The.  Fuck.  Out.  Of.  There."

I sure don't want a fight nor a gun battle.  I'm only talking if I'm cornered and it's the last option.   I pray I never get in a gun fight, and by being a pussy and avoiding fights and backing down from getting punched and taking the long way at times and sometimes not stopping at a place - I *have* avoided a gun fight for 17 years of carrying a piece now.

And I'll keep right on being a wimp... if shady people are at that spot, I don't care if I've got glock in my hand, I keep on to the next gas station, even if I really really really have to pee lol.

It's not worth it.  All gun owners should ditch that "stand your ground" bullshit and instead, focus on being the BIGGER WIMP in a confrontation.  I always do.  I always back down.  Now, if you are pulling my keys, my child, my wifey, well, I have to prevent a forcible felony and will use force then.  But in 99% of situations, I'm apologizing and backing down from threats, even when it's a punk idiot I could beat senseless physically.   NOT WORTH IT.   I save face because I know the glock I have could knock this little bastard right out of his shoes - but i respect life and the law, and basic decency, enough to just back down.  Every time.

No trolling, Rob, but would you go to all the same confrontation avoidance trouble if you weren't carrying? Just seems like a huge pain in the ass.

[LittleJ]

No trolling, Rob, but would you go to all the same confrontation avoidance trouble if you weren't carrying? Just seems like a huge pain in the ass.

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[The Ugly]

Look who joined the party The Ugly aka Archer77

Relax, 'dre.

[240 is Back]

No trolling, Rob, but would you go to all the same confrontation avoidance trouble if you weren't carrying? Just seems like a huge pain in the ass.

I think i am MORE cautious because I have a gun with me.   If shit goes sideways and I punch, run,whatever, chances are everyone is going home alive that night.

If I ever get out of my car and willingly step INTO a situation where a fight/ gun battle/ etc is obviously about to happen - then I have to stand in court one day and explain why I was so fcking stupid to do so.   I have to look at the jury and say "umm, for realz tho, I had no idea stepping out into that group of people was a bad idea" and lie.  And people see thru liars.

I would MUCH rather look the jury in the eye and say "dudes, I did EVERYTHING i could go avoid a confrontation and shooting - I moved my car, I apologized, I took 14 steps backwards til I hit the wall, I didn't respond to his 3 shoves, I yelled for help, I begged the dude to step, I deflected 4 punched and THEN I had to sadly use my weapon."

That's a lot better than "I wasn't worried, but he came at me, so I stood my ground".   Dudes with that attitude make me sick.    They invite the fight.  A jury will see my ass was VERY much avoiding a shooting.  Cause like other getbiggers said, this shit isn't comic book, movie stuff.  Shootings are real-life with real ramifications.  People that carry have a HUGE burden to back down, avoid fights, apologize, and run if possible.   Their ego might be a little butthurt, but everyone goes home and they're not having nightmares of a shoot from a jail cell. 

Just walk away from that shit.  Run away from it!   If/when you have to look a jury in the eye, you will have honesty on your side because, by golly, you are NOT one of those trigger-happy a-holes out to play sheriff. 

[The Ugly]

I think i am MORE cautious because I have a gun with me.   If shit goes sideways and I punch, run,whatever, chances are everyone is going home alive that night.

If I ever get out of my car and willingly step INTO a situation where a fight/ gun battle/ etc is obviously about to happen - then I have to stand in court one day and explain why I was so fcking stupid to do so.   I have to look at the jury and say "umm, for realz tho, I had no idea stepping out into that group of people was a bad idea" and lie.  And people see thru liars.

I would MUCH rather look the jury in the eye and say "dudes, I did EVERYTHING i could go avoid a confrontation and shooting - I moved my car, I apologized, I took 14 steps backwards til I hit the wall, I didn't respond to his 3 shoves, I yelled for help, I begged the dude to step, I deflected 4 punched and THEN I had to sadly use my weapon."

That's a lot better than "I wasn't worried, but he came at me, so I stood my ground".   Dudes with that attitude make me sick.    They invite the fight.  A jury will see my ass was VERY much avoiding a shooting.  Cause like other getbiggers said, this shit isn't comic book, movie stuff.  Shootings are real-life with real ramifications.  People that carry have a HUGE burden to back down, avoid fights, apologize, and run if possible.   Their ego might be a little butthurt, but everyone goes home and they're not having nightmares of a shoot from a jail cell.  

Just walk away from that shit.  Run away from it!   If/when you have to look a jury in the eye, you will have honesty on your side because, by golly, you are NOT one of those trigger-happy a-holes out to play sheriff.  

That was sorta my point, though. Not having a concealed weapon frees me up to take way less shit than all that nonsense. Not knocking you at all, and I'll admit it's put me in a courthouse or two, but fuck all that.

I don't want trouble any more than any of you other mature, responsible gentlemen - way too old and tired for that bullshit. But there's a line. Circumstances considered, of course, rarely am I gonna beg, take shots, or simply give way because someone wants my shit or feels the need to punk me. No gun just makes it easier, it seems.

That said, I don't have kids to protect.

[_aj_]

A lot of posters ITT think that the choice is between "fight/no fight". Sometimes the choice is between "live or die" and at that point you'll be happy you left the house with a gun on you.

[The Ugly]

A lot of posters ITT think that the choice is between "fight/no fight". Sometimes the choice is between "live or die" and at that point you'll be happy you left the house with a gun on you.

That's what I was trying to clear up with 240. If you have the gun, but the situation doesn't require it be used, can/will you still fight back physically? A guy slaps your lady, for instance, or spits in your face.

Not life-threatening, hopefully, but still requiring (in my opinion) an immediate physical response. Does the gun change your ability to react?

[Howard]

Was just online looking at concealed carry holsters and there are lots of nice ones.

Few questions: 

What do you use?

What about boot holsters? (The ones that you strap to your calf; bodybuilding related)

What do you think of this one pictured here?

My wife and I both have a Ga license for concealed carry. It's a good law.

[240 is Back]

Howard, you rock.  Props

[_aj_]

Does the gun change your ability to react?

Absolutely. The gun turns any confrontation into a lethal force confrontation. If you are not being confronted with lethal force, your duty is to escape. If an unarmed man slaps your wife, and he isn't so large as to pose a lethal threat to the both of you, your duty is to escape.

As I said to many students, "the gun you carry will make you the most cowardly man in the world". It is ONLY there for lethal force escalations.

[The Ugly]

Absolutely. The gun turns any confrontation into a lethal force confrontation. If you are not being confronted with lethal force, your duty is to escape. If an unarmed man slaps your wife, and he isn't so large as to pose a lethal threat to the both of you, your duty is to escape.

As I said to many students, "the gun you carry will make you the most cowardly man in the world". It is ONLY there for lethal force escalations.

Ok, I'm still misunderstanding, last try: I'm ignoring the gun in my holster for said confrontation. Done. Even then, you're saying, I still cannot react. Anything less than a lethal situation - even though I have no intention of reaching for, using, or even acknowledging the gun's existence - I'm forced to tuck tail?

Dude pushes me, slaps my chick, throws drink, spits - but no intention of killing - I suck it up and split, right. Gun on my hip means I can't throw a punch. Damn. Thank God I could never get a CCW.

Apologize, I'm slow as fuck, but this interests me.

[240 is Back]

Absolutely. The gun turns any confrontation into a lethal force confrontation. If you are not being confronted with lethal force, your duty is to escape. If an unarmed man slaps your wife, and he isn't so large as to pose a lethal threat to the both of you, your duty is to escape.

As I said to many students, "the gun you carry will make you the most cowardly man in the world". It is ONLY there for lethal force escalations.

yeah, call the police.  we live in a world of cell phone cameras and you *will* ID him quickly and will be able to charge, prosecute, and sue his ass into oblivion.  

Obviously, you can get physical to stop the assault.  But "punishing" him is outdated.  Film him and own his car/house for it.  

Honestly, when you carry a gun, typically, you don't get fcked with.  You have the look and the smile and the confidence and swagger, and you just don't look like prey.  At all.  Very often, I see the stature and look in a person's face, and it tells me to study their clothing/profile, and often a gun shape is visible.   People that are armed move slower, more focused, calmer and often just don't look like prey.  

Interjecting yourself into a violent situation is another thing entirely.  

[240 is Back]

Dude pushes me, slaps my chick, throws drink, spits - but no intention of killing - I suck it up and split, right. Damn. Thank God I could never get a CCW.

As you get older, this VERY rarely happens.  You don't go to places where people are slapping women, spitting, throwing drinks.  If you're in the club, hey, anything goes, leave the gun at home cause you're walking into a zoo full of idiots lol.   

In any reasonable situation, there will be witnesses  - they are your BEST friend. If dude does all this, you have witnesses/camera, you call 911.  He's going to jail. 

I have a pretty common response when someone is chewing on fcking with me... "Fuck.  With.  Someone.  Else.   I ain't the motherfcking one".    Your voice makes it clear that should he try something, you WILL be going home with his wallet and MFing shoes.    Liiterally, if someone tries robbing me, they'll be easy to identify.  They'll be the one walking home with no pants, no wallet, no shoes.  Literally, I will own your car and you will be in jail and in the rare chance I cannot whip your ass, I do possess capacity to end you if/when things get violent. 

pretty much don't look like prey.  I'd wager the NRA, concealed carry getbiggers know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  They have a gun and don't need it because people do NOT fck with them.  They avoid drama places, but they just look like the last dude in the room you'd want to mess with.  They don't need the gun because they have the attitude and look that having a gun gives them.   Make sense?

[The Ugly]

As you get older, this VERY rarely happens.  You don't go to places where people are slapping women, spitting, throwing drinks.  If you're in the club, hey, anything goes, leave the gun at home cause you're walking into a zoo full of idiots lol.   

In any reasonable situation, there will be witnesses  - they are your BEST friend. If dude does all this, you have witnesses/camera, you call 911.  He's going to jail. 

I have a pretty common response when someone is chewing on fcking with me... "Fuck.  With.  Someone.  Else.   I ain't the motherfcking one".    Your voice makes it clear that should he try something, you WILL be going home with his wallet and MFing shoes.    Liiterally, if someone tries robbing me, they'll be easy to identify.  They'll be the one walking home with no pants, no wallet, no shoes.  Literally, I will own your car and you will be in jail and in the rare chance I cannot whip your ass, I do possess capacity to end you if/when things get violent. 

pretty much don't look like prey.  I'd wager the NRA, concealed carry getbiggers know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  They have a gun and don't need it because people do NOT fck with them.  They avoid drama places, but they just look like the last dude in the room you'd want to mess with.  They don't need the gun because they have the attitude and look that having a gun gives them.   Make sense?

Why do you want their shoes, guy?

[240 is Back]

Why do you want their shoes, guy?

I want the police to be able to identify them as the man that tried to rob me. 

I would politely ask for the shoes and maybe their pants.  Would make ID'ing these criminals much easier.  Also the shoes could contain DNA and possible blood residue on their bottom, from the last sheep that criminal probably stomped.

[Las Vegas]

Ok, I'm still misunderstanding, last try: I'm ignoring the gun in my holster for said confrontation. Done. Even then, you're saying, I still cannot react. Anything less than a lethal situation - even though I have no intention of reaching for, using, or even acknowledging the gun's existence - I'm forced to tuck tail?

Dude pushes me, slaps my chick, throws drink, spits - but no intention of killing - I suck it up and split, right. Gun on my hip means I can't throw a punch. Damn. Thank God I could never get a CCW.

Apologize, I'm slow as fuck, but this interests me.

What if you get knocked out or whatever and you lose the gun to someone else? Someone stealing your wallet finds and takes your gun too.

[The Ugly]

What if you get knocked out or whatever and you lose the gun to someone else? Someone stealing your wallet finds and takes your gun too.

I had a paragraph about that but deleted it for redundancy. Think that's what AJ meant by all situations being potentially lethal when you're carrying.

[Las Vegas]

I had a paragraph about that but deleted it for redundancy. Think that's what AJ meant by all situations being potentially lethal when you're carrying.

It's what you need to think about when you want to start swinging on a mofo.

[The Ugly]

It's what you need to think about when you want to start swinging on a mofo.

I don't swing anymore and never carried. Hypothetical, really.

[Las Vegas]

I don't swing anymore and never carried. Hypothetical, really.

Good.

[HTexan]

My wife and I both have a Ga license for concealed carry. It's a good law.

I have my license too, but I haven't carried in 2-3 years.

[The Ugly]

Just don't want that flappy-hander here strappin' up, that shit'd get ugly fast.

Wait, he's an Iceback, right? Nevermind. Dude can't even own a slingshot up there.

[Howard]

I have my license too, but I haven't carried in 2-3 years.

I like to have it when I travel but I'm no crazy red neck LOL