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What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« on: January 05, 2015, 05:31:04 AM »
Came across this amusing article:

This is a basic backgrounder for Americans, primarily, who might think Europeans do nothing all day but ***** about Americans. Don’t get me wrong―they do love bitching about Americans. But they also like bitching about each other, as well. Bordering countries, especially, have complex caricatures of each other, even when an outsider might think they’re more or less the same. The following is based on my numerous interactions with Europeans, having lived there for 4 years. Here’s a run down:

The French ― Disliked by some Spanish (particularly the Catalonians), for being arrogant. One woman from Barcelona told me, “Come on¦who really likes the French? Nobody!” The Swiss don’t like the fact that they have contempt for authority and are lazy. The Brits, of course, have the most mixed feelings about the French, though. One half the country hates them, the other half loves them. Those that hate the French tend to like the Americans, and vice versa. In the UK, they’re considered stinky, rude (they never line/queue up like decent people), and a bit yellow, based on their tendency to not fend off invaders like the Nazis.The French, in turn, dislike the British, look down on Belgians for being stupid, and don’t have much to say, in my experience, about Spaniards or Germans (oddly).

The Italians ― Most of the stereotypes are positive, but mostly because of the food. Northern Europeans consider them lazy and flaky, and maybe incapable of managing anything right (mostly because of the 50+ governments they’ve had since WW2). One Dutch professor I had dismissed another Italian one, saying, “All the Italians care about are pasta and mamma.”Italians, in turn, don’t have strong feelings about other Europeans, but within Italy, the north-south divide is pretty strong. Northern Italians continuously complain that Southerners are lazy and unproductive, while Southerners complain that Northerners are devoid of culture or joie de vivre.

The Germans ― Germans are considered industrious but uptight and humorless, by just about all the other Europeans. They know WW2 is a sore spot for them, so other Europeans will often mercilessly tease them about it. As much as Germany is considered an economic powerhouse, the vast majority of Europeans don’t really want to learn German or study there (or send their kids there to study). The food is considered uninspired, too, and only Berlin has some cachet among younger Europeans for its vibrant underground club scene. The most anti-German sentiments are among the Dutch and Danish, who just hate them from invading their countries too often. When German ask for directions in Holland, they’re usually given directions to the shortest way out of the country, or told “Give us back our bikes!”, a reference to the fact that Germans confiscated Dutch bicycles during WW2.Danes hate it when you pronounce their capital as “ko-pen-HAH-gen”, because this is the German pronunciation. Either pronounce it the English way (with “HAY” instead), or the Danish way, which is literally impossible to put down here.Germans tend to like their Western neighbors far more than they are liked by them, but they look down on their Eastern neighbors, particularly Poles. They, oddly, have some mixed respect for the Czechs, who have resisted German aggression.

The Scandinavians ― Widely respected by most other Europeans, because of their high standard of living …and blond hair and blue eyes. However, within Scandinavia there are some persistent stereotypes. The Norwegians, Danes and Finns all think the Swedes are stupid and uptight. Norwegians are considered racist. Danes are considered more blunt than the others, maybe a bit more cranky, and the Finns are oddly introverted, even by Scandinavian standards. Except for the Danes really disliking Germans, and Finns really disliking Russians, they don’t really have anything against other Europeans.

The Belgians ― Considered idiots by both the Dutch and the French. Belgians, in turn, consider the Dutch to be a bunch of cranky assholes, and French stuck-up.

The Dutch ― The Dutch, like the Scandinavians, have an enviable economy and social order that’s admired by southern European countries. However, they do have a reputation of being self-righteous “know-it-alls” and very similar to their German cousins in terms of their rigidity. But they do not like any comparisons to Germans, and if you remind them that the Dutch national anthem makes a reference to the Dutch being “van Duitse bloed” (from German blood), you might quickly get the silent treatment. The Dutch are also disliked for being the biggest misers in Europe, and because of this they incur the wrath of the tourist industry wherever they travel. The Dutch have been known to stock up on water before they take their campers down to the south of France.The Dutch, in turn, kind of look down on just about everyone. Yes, there’s a bit of a reason for the “know-it-all” smart-ass reputation they have.

The Swiss ― Considered extremely rigid, even by the Germans. Blunt to the point of being rude, the Swiss probably have the least likely reputation for being characterized as “friendly” or “warm”. Note that there is a big cultural divide between French-speaking Swiss, and the German-speaking Swiss. The former are almost exactly like the French, except having a blander cuisine and more respect for authority, the latter being more like the Germans except even more stiff, rigid and cranky. However, everyone knows Switzerland “works” so the fact that foreigners comprise 20% of the population (mostly from EU member states) should make this clear.Note that the German-speaking Swiss also speak their own variant of German, which sounds very strange if you’ve only been exposed to standard “hoch-Deutsch”.
The Spaniards ― Honestly, very little antagonism against the Spanish or by the Spanish. No one really seems to dislike them, and they don’t seem to really dislike anyone else. (Yes, some Spaniards near the border to France don’t like the French very much) Not entirely sure why. However, God forbid you speak Spanish with a Latin American accent ― there is still a lot of snobbery among Spaniards towards Latin Americans. Spaniards consider themselves white and European, and would be deeply insulted if you suggested they were Latin American of any kind.

The Greeks ― Only nominally considered European by other Europeans, but the Greeks fiercely identify as European. Naturally, this is a huge irritant to Greeks.

The Poles ― Not much seems to register about Poland and the Poles except that they’re quiet. They are a relatively big country (40 million people) so the supposed scare of being overrun by Eastern Europeans when a bunch of Eastern European countries joined the EU in 2005 focused in on the Poles. The Germans really don’t like Poles, and among Germany’s 9 neighbors, are disliked the most. Poland is considered a country of car thieves by the Germans. Really, the relationship between Germany and Poland is similar to that of the United States and Mexico, and often for many of the same reasons (differences in income, history of war, different languages, etc.).Poles really shore up their hatred for their eastern & southern neighbors, primarily Russia and Ukraine, although they don’t like Czechs, Slovaks or Lithuanians either. Oddly, they don’t really mind the Germans, and probably still fear them a bit ― you never, ever hear jokes about Germans in Poland.

The Czechs ― Considered a relatively bright spot of Eastern Europe by Western Europeans, but I think primarily because Prague is such a gorgeous city and a popular tourist destination. Czechs are a bit like Germans, though ― a bit rude, blunt, and cold. Poles don’t have much good to say about them.
The Austrians ― Considered a mix of the best & worst aspects of Germany and the Balkans, Austrians are considered laid-back but very nationalistic and racist. They’re said to be the birthplace of Hitler, but never came around to being fully apologetic about the Holocaust (unlike Germany). Neutral feelings from most ofWestern Europe, negative feelings from Germans (who consider them backwards, and not always the representing the best image of German-speaking people) and admired by Eastern Europeans (a throwback to the Hapsburgs).

The British - About half of the British would be really angry at being called European, so that should provide an apt starting point. The main beef with the Brits is that they’re considered the lapdog of the U.S., and are anti-European because the U.S. tells them to be so. They are considered polite, but maybe a bit two-faced (hence “Janus Britain”) and snobby. The Scots and Welsh are tolerated and liked, inasmuch as that no one really knows too much about them outside the UK, but the English are those that bear the brunt of negative sentiments among other Europeans. After all, London is in England.
The English also have a poor reputation in tourist traps, such as Amsterdam and Ibiza, for being loud-mouthed, obnoxious drunks.
The English, in turn, really seem to hate everyone. This is because it’s pretty hard to find an Englishman that has even, at best, neutral opinions about other Europeans (or Americans, or other nationalities). Europe is full of English expats, and the longer they live abroad, the more they seem to hate their host country. And yet they never seem to want to move home.

The Irish ― A very small country, despite its exaggerated importance in Americans’ minds (just over 3 million) but considered polite and humble. They nominally dislike the English, but I have yet to meet an Irishman who really loathes the English. The sentiments towards the Irish and by the Irish seem to be positive, overall.

I personally don’t know much about how the Portuguese, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, and others are perceived, or how they perceive others, but if you have something to add, please do so in the comments below.

I’ll leave you with this poster I saw in an Italian office years ago, that helps sum it up in some ways:

In Heaven…
the mechanics are German
the chefs are French
the police are British
the lovers are Italian
and everything is organized by the Swiss.

In Hell…
the mechanics are French
the police are German
the chefs are British
the lovers are Swiss
and everything is organized by the Italians.


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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2015, 05:57:32 AM »
 8)...good stuff,,even in America whatever you are its broken down,,,i'm a guinea/meatball,greaseball,and I have worked with people who have northern Italian blood here in America and i'm southern descent 'I was referred as a swamp guinea'lol...

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2015, 06:00:40 AM »
I gave up caring what those assholes thought about the U.S. a long time ago.

Mind your damn business Europe and leave us be.

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2015, 06:17:29 AM »
Europooristan  :D
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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2015, 10:45:12 AM »
Total number of superbowl wins: 0

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2015, 10:49:24 AM »
People are always pissing on their neighbours.  I lived in Brugge, Belgium for a couple years and God help you if you used the French pronunciation of 'Bruges.'  The locals delighted in telling about the time their forefathers identified the French-born by asking them to properly enunciate an especially wicked Flemish tongue-twister and if the dude sounded a bit suspect saying it then everyone hit him with an axe.  The time they ethnically cleansed the French. It's a point of local pride.

And they didn't care for the way the Dutch make fun of them because they pronounce their town's name as BROOO-huh instead of Broo-uh.  This was a sore point for them and they were very butthurt about it.  I guess it was like a southern drawl thing.  "W're nawt stoopid jus cuz we cum frum BROOO-huh!"

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2015, 10:57:56 AM »
Total number of superbowl wins: 0

Same number of 'world series'  wins also...

poles think Romanians are worthless gypsy beggers, romanians misstrust each other...poles that work in UK speak polish yet swear in English, poles are good workers but very rough( tradesmen ), Romanians are good tradesmen with less work ethic

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2015, 10:58:18 AM »
I know a lot about Romanians.  They are cool and suave.  Great personal trainers, authors and TV personalities plus epic pussy slayers.

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2015, 11:08:56 AM »
Italians : Hot temper

Greek: They had a great civilization, ONCE (in ancient times)

French: Snobby, drink wine alot and kiss cheeks.

UK: Bad dentalcare and subpar women. (Very ugly women)
Best thing with UK are the posh upperclass brits who smoke pipe.

Poles: Drink alot. Most of my old friends with Polish background got into trouble. (Jail or killed by the underworld)

Fins and Norwegians: I admire them for having a working immigrationpolicy.

Danes: They and the Brits are most drunk, loud and obnoxious during vacation abroad (Greece, Spain, Italy etc). They party hard and is noticed the most. Their women are the most loose i've ever encountered.

Romanians: Vlad Tepes and Sevastase are cool and all, but those Roma people are the pits. They're begging all over here non-stop.
Also engage in alot of criminal activities, robbing old people etc

The finnish roma people are much better in that regard since they just want to get your car or sell you a cheap watch. (that barely works).


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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2015, 11:11:03 AM »
Pretty accurate i would say... Italy, the place is currently in very bad shape, don't care about governments, since they don't control shit, but they're ruining Italy's reputation since ages... Between North and South, opposite and far better life North, two different countries in one, some nasty shitholes like Naples-Campania in South, full of criminals and non-productive lazy ignorants, always had bad experience with those people... Sicily is better for example... Football is a plague in Italy, just like immigration... Don't care much about other european countries, but in Italy people from Romania and other east places are not well seen, criminals with very bad reputation, just like moroccans...

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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2015, 11:14:31 AM »

The Spaniards ― Honestly, very little antagonism against the Spanish or by the Spanish. No one really seems to dislike them, and they don’t seem to really dislike anyone else. (Yes, some Spaniards near the border to France don’t like the French very much) Not entirely sure why. However, God forbid you speak Spanish with a Latin American accent ― there is still a lot of snobbery among Spaniards towards Latin Americans. Spaniards consider themselves white and European, and would be deeply insulted if you suggested they were Latin American of any kind.

Also dug this.  It goes both ways from what I can tell.  When I forced my efforts at Spanish on a workmate from El Salvador he screwed up his face and said "Ju soun' like you from Espain, man!"

Evidently, I've got a haughty accent in Spanish.  Jolly good.

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2015, 11:23:47 AM »
Great original post. I learned a lot and it was very entertaining!! Thank you!.

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2015, 11:51:30 AM »


The difference between Heaven and Hell:

In Heaven:
  • The chefs are French.
  • The police are British.
  • The mechanics and technicians are German.
  • And the symphony orchestras are Austrian.

In Hell:
  • The chefs are British.
  • The police are German.
  • The mechanics and technicians are French
  • And the Rock and Roll bands are Austrian………


German language films are fascinating...offering glimpses into the people...For instance:

1) Berliners/Prussians/Northern Germans look down on Austrians...they are considered drunken party animals...disparaging term...  "Schnürschuh"


2)Austrians look down on Berliners/Prussians/Northern germans, they consider them pompous assholes...the disparaging term Austrians have for them is "piefke"...

3)Berliners/Prussians/Northern germans look down on Bavarians as uncouth hillbillies..disparaging term..."bazi"

4) Bavarians look down on Berliners/Prussians/Northern Germans...disparaging term...Saupreiß.


Otto Waalkes explains Bavarians.


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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2015, 12:42:22 PM »
This should just about take care of this thread.


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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2015, 12:43:04 PM »
The Poles ― Not much seems to register about Poland and the Poles except that they’re quiet. They are a relatively big country (40 million people) so the supposed scare of being overrun by Eastern Europeans when a bunch of Eastern European countries joined the EU in 2005 focused in on the Poles. The Germans really don’t like Poles, and among Germany’s 9 neighbors, are disliked the most. Poland is considered a country of car thieves by the Germans. Really, the relationship between Germany and Poland is similar to that of the United States and Mexico, and often for many of the same reasons (differences in income, history of war, different languages, etc.).Poles really shore up their hatred for their eastern & southern neighbors, primarily Russia and Ukraine, although they don’t like Czechs, Slovaks or Lithuanians either. Oddly, they don’t really mind the Germans, and probably still fear them a bit ― you never, ever hear jokes about Germans in Poland.

Poles are really this bastard child of a german father and a Russian mother.

The german father is abusive and generally hates its bastard spawn, while the mother is a fucking nut.

Poles have alot of the dysfunctional shit of the Russians, and the strict serious organized behavior of germans.

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2015, 03:29:44 PM »
We are tribes. We have always been tribes and will always be tribes...There is a certain "tribe" that is in control of all 4 corners of the globe right now. And because they control the media, you aren't really allowed to talk about that tribe...

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2015, 03:41:22 PM »
Italians are garbage esp Southern Sicilian :D ;D

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2015, 06:15:51 PM »
italians and french are arrogant lazy bastards

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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2015, 07:27:45 PM »
Note the absence of of European companies on this list.

The reason for this is the anti-capitalist mentality that is so pervasive in Europe.


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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2015, 07:33:04 PM »
Good call on Spaniards and the South American accent. Also, the Dutch think they have an amazing sense of humor but they're as humorless as the Germans (at least the Germans know they're not funny).

Only things I know about Romanians are Vlad Tepes, gypsies and sevastase.


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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2015, 07:50:22 PM »
Note the absence of of European companies on this list.

The reason for this is the anti-capitalist mentality that is so pervasive in Europe.


And how many of them were created outside of california?


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Re: What Europeans think of each other...accurate?
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2015, 02:04:49 AM »
Total number of superbowl wins: 0

Total number of participation at the superbowl: 0

Do your math..

In fact, outside the USA, Finnish "Eukonkantokisat" interest people more than superbowl never will  ;D

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2015, 02:16:12 AM »
The Belgians ― Considered idiots by both the Dutch and the French. Belgians, in turn, consider the Dutch to be a bunch of cranky assholes, and French stuck-up.

The Dutch ― The Dutch, like the Scandinavians, have an enviable economy and social order that’s admired by southern European countries. However, they do have a reputation of being self-righteous “know-it-alls” and very similar to their German cousins in terms of their rigidity. But they do not like any comparisons to Germans, and if you remind them that the Dutch national anthem makes a reference to the Dutch being “van Duitse bloed” (from German blood), you might quickly get the silent treatment. The Dutch are also disliked for being the biggest misers in Europe, and because of this they incur the wrath of the tourist industry wherever they travel. The Dutch have been known to stock up on water before they take their campers down to the south of France.The Dutch, in turn, kind of look down on just about everyone. Yes, there’s a bit of a reason for the “know-it-all” smart-ass reputation they have.

Being from the Netherlands, I can confirm any word :D