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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #525 on: January 27, 2015, 04:39:30 PM »
so basically... they've been deflating balls for 7-8 years now.  and they were allowed to get away with it, even tho the NFL exec hated belicheick and wanted to go at them.  THEN the ravens and colts both complained and voila, the exec had the ground he needed to expose the pats.  He let them cheat in the AFC championship game and then let them get caught at halftime. 

Well, no.

That's your slanted interpretation of the scant small "facts" in this case, many of which are just fantasy from people with axes to grind.

But do keep going with your analysis.

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #526 on: January 27, 2015, 04:44:01 PM »
Well, no.

That's your slanted interpretation of the scant small "facts" in this case, many of which are just fantasy from people with axes to grind.

But do keep going with your analysis.

I know liars.  I knew when Hermann Cain denied the charges and smirked when asked to take a poly, that we'd be listening to his heartfelt apology in 2 months.  And I knew when we heard lebron in the Spurs series, he was going to cleveland despite saying otherwise.  And I knew the minute tom brady went from calm and smooth to giggly and high pitched voice, that we'd be  listening to his apology for knowingly going along with the deflated ball scheme in 2 months.  And we will.  this is going to be a huge scandal because it didn't go on for one game... those fumble stats don't lie.   Very clear to me.

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #527 on: January 27, 2015, 04:44:08 PM »
There's little doubt something's amiss.

Either the Pats always had the footballs low, and the league was lax on checking them.....or they managed to lower them after they were checked.

That would explain the 11 of 12, and Indy being fine.  There wasn't a huge temp swing to lower the PSI.

If the balls were under the  norm and someone else did it, Brady would have noticed.  Ex - NFL QBs have supported this.

So, something doesn't add up, but we won't find out until after the SB.

Until then, the accusations will fly, and Pats fans will continue to lose their shit because we all know they really did think they had a shot at a SB with no cloud around it.   That's impossible now.
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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #528 on: January 27, 2015, 04:48:02 PM »
There's little doubt something's amiss.

Either the Pats always had the footballs low, and the league was lax on checking them.....or they managed to lower them after they were checked.

That would explain the 11 of 12, and Indy being fine.  There wasn't a huge temp swing to lower the PSI.

If the balls were under the  norm and someone else did it, Brady would have noticed.  Ex - NFL QBs have supported this.

So, something doesn't add up, but we won't find out until after the SB.

Until then, the accusations will fly, and Pats fans will continue to lose their shit because we all know they really did think they had a shot at a SB with no cloud around it.   That's impossible now.

and the haters will keep on hating as their teams watch the sb from home

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #529 on: January 27, 2015, 04:53:58 PM »
For the armchair physicists on Getbig, in order for temperature to account for this, the balls would have had to have been initially tested at a temperature of over 90°F.

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #530 on: January 27, 2015, 05:03:08 PM »
For the armchair physicists on Getbig, in order for temperature to account for this, the balls would have had to have been initially tested at a temperature of over 90°F.

Stating facts like this apparently make you a "hater".
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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #531 on: January 27, 2015, 05:14:16 PM »
Stating facts like this apparently make you a "hater".

no what makes a hater is coming to conclusions without all the facts and going by only leaks, which a lot times turn out to be false

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #532 on: January 27, 2015, 05:59:45 PM »
Enough of this bullshit with the deflated balls!

Here's a crazy idea.....how about the FACT that objects inflated with AIR deflate when the weather gets COLD. Like your car's tires, for instance. Footballs are no exception. They will lose 1-3 pounds of air when the temperature drops to a certain level and stays there for an extended period of time.

I'm no Patriots fan by any stretch and I hope the Seahawks stomp a mudhole in their ass. That being said, this whole deflating of balls is a bullshit witch hunt. There is no hard evidence in existence. It's fucking retarded.

Here's an even crazier notion...the Patriots are that fucking GOOD. They are a great organization with icons at both quarterback and head coach. And this is coming from a Ravens fan, mind you.
out of the 24 balls.  The colts were fine but 11 of the 12 the pats used weren't.  That's the issue homey

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #533 on: January 27, 2015, 06:46:19 PM »
The Colt's footballs may have deflated at the same rate...

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #534 on: January 27, 2015, 07:00:20 PM »
The Colt's footballs may have deflated at the same rate...

It was 50 degrees in Foxboro that night.   Deflation wasn't because of temp.
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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #535 on: January 27, 2015, 07:09:04 PM »
It was 50 degrees in Foxboro that night.   Deflation wasn't because of temp.

link or is this just a scientific guess on your part

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #536 on: January 27, 2015, 07:14:25 PM »
Well said Mike Florio.


At this point, it’s unclear whether the NFL will find any evidence to support the suspicion that someone from the Patriots deliberately caused footballs to lose air pressure.  If the NFL fails to find a proverbial smoking gun, that alone could become a different kind of smoking gun.

Even if (and at this point it could be a big if) the league finds proof of foul play, was it really worth it?  The NFL has tarnished its own shield by painting a Super Bowl participant as a cheater without clear evidence of cheating.  As noted on Friday, some believe that former Commissioners (such as Paul Tagliabue) would have addressed complaints coming from teams like the Colts regarding underinflated footballs not by trying to lay a trap for the Patriots, but by letting the Patriots know that the league office is paying attention to the situation, and that if there’s any funny business happening it needs to stop, now.  Instead, the league office opted to try to catch the Patriots red handed.

But what has the NFL really found?  As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum.  The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI.

The NFL has yet to share specific information regarding the PSI measurements of the balls that were confiscated and measured at halftime.  Which has allowed the perception of cheating to linger, fueled by the confirmation from Friday that the NFL found underinflated balls, but that the NFL still doesn’t know how they came to be that way.

“The goals of the investigation will be to determine the explanation for why footballs used in the game were not in compliance with the playing rules and specifically whether any noncompliance was the result of deliberate action,” the league said. “We have not made any judgments on these points and will not do so until we have concluded our investigation and considered all of the relevant evidence.”

Regardless of how hard or easy it could be or should be to get to the truth, the NFL owes it to the Patriots and the league to get there, quickly.  Instead, the premier American sporting event apparently will be played under a dark cloud, and anything other than an eventual finding of cheating will seem anticlimactic and contrived.  Even if the conclusion is regarded as legitimate, it won’t undo the damage that the Patriots and the NFL will have suffered during this bizarre period of pending allegations that have not yet been proven.

So at a time when the league office is still reeling from an insufficient investigation in the Ray Rice case, the league office now faces even more criticism for a clumsy sting operation that possibly will end up being a swing and a miss.  Surely, much of that criticism will be directed privately at the league office from the Patriots.

Complicating matters for the NFL is that the bat initially was swung by Mike Kensil, a former employee of the Jets with a reputation among the Patriots for being an agitator. (Kensil’s father, Jim, served as president of the Jets for 10 years from the late 1970s to the late 1980s.)  And so on the same day that the tampering charges filed by the Patriots against the Jets over Darrelle Revis became the latest chapter in a longstanding feud between the franchises, the tentacles of acrimony between the two franchises found a way to erupt into a brouhaha unlike many the NFL ever has seen.

The NFL never should have let this specific situation get to that point.  Even if the league deemed it proper to lay a trap, they should have realized the challenges of actually making a trap work.  In this case, it appears that they didn’t.

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #537 on: January 27, 2015, 07:24:12 PM »
not by trying to lay a trap for the Patriots, but by letting the Patriots know that the league office is paying attention to the situation, and that if there’s any funny business happening it needs to stop, now.  Instead, the league office opted to try to catch the Patriots red handed.

I think it's great they laid a trap.  Look how smug the Pats are - Kraft demanding apologies, Belichick shrugging and acting like he knows the science overnight, and Brady laughing at any such accusations.  Fans would love to see the pats get demolished.  And let's be honest - if they don't, the league will lose a TON of what little credibility they still have. 

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #538 on: January 27, 2015, 07:26:05 PM »
I think it's great they laid a trap.  Look how smug the Pats are - Kraft demanding apologies, Belichick shrugging and acting like he knows the science overnight, and Brady laughing at any such accusations.  Fans would love to see the pats get demolished.  And let's be honest - if they don't, the league will lose a TON of what little credibility they still have. 

Yes, the alternative, as the articles suggests, is to let the Pats get away with it, and try to discourage it from happening again.  Why not catch them?
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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #539 on: January 27, 2015, 07:33:53 PM »
Yes, the alternative, as the articles suggests, is to let the Pats get away with it, and try to discourage it from happening again.  Why not catch them?

Well, for one, the "sting" was obviously not well thought out and was laid against one of the two teams in the league's premier event. An event that now has a cloud over it due to mismanagement of this stupid "sting".

Also, the "sting" appears to be the brainchild of a guy that is on record as hating the Patriots, making the league look stupider still.

The NFL appears to be trying to kill itself, which would be funny, except that I like football.

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #540 on: January 27, 2015, 07:36:51 PM »
Well, for one, the "sting" was obviously not well thought out and was laid against one of the two teams in the league's premier event. An event that now has a cloud over it due to mismanagement of this stupid "sting".

Also, the "sting" appears to be the brainchild of a guy that is on record as hating the Patriots, making the league look stupider still.

The NFL appears to be trying to kill itself, which would be funny, except that I like football.

It was laid against one team because that team had the complaint against it.

But yeah, the NFL keeps messing stuff up.  Even though I'm not a Pats fan, I'd rather we have football talk for this week, because we have one of those good Super Bowls where the best team from each conference made it.

Still haven't decided who I'm betting on.  Might take Lynch over 92 yards because I don't know if NE has an answer for him.
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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #541 on: January 27, 2015, 07:38:30 PM »
who will the first 'whistleblower' be?   Surely there are a handful of people that were part of the deflation process.

if it was me, and I was a former ballboy, now working at a car wash or whatever, I'd be paranoid as shit.   If you were the dude told to water down the balls in 2007, 2008, etc... and you could cost a team millions in penalties, fines, draft picks, etc... I'd be going to CNN immediately (unless of course, they'd already bought me a new house, in which case I'd STFU and enjoy the pool lol)

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #542 on: January 27, 2015, 07:46:55 PM »
who will the first 'whistleblower' be?   Surely there are a handful of people that were part of the deflation process.

if it was me, and I was a former ballboy, now working at a car wash or whatever, I'd be paranoid as shit.   If you were the dude told to water down the balls in 2007, 2008, etc... and you could cost a team millions in penalties, fines, draft picks, etc... I'd be going to CNN immediately (unless of course, they'd already bought me a new house, in which case I'd STFU and enjoy the pool lol)

Nah, they'll be taken care of..no doubt...and the NFL will destroy the evidence when they didn't have to - just like they did with spygate - to keep the real damage to a minimum.
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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #543 on: January 27, 2015, 08:08:43 PM »
Nah, they'll be taken care of..no doubt...and the NFL will destroy the evidence when they didn't have to - just like they did with spygate - to keep the real damage to a minimum.

that's conventional thinking.  Roger whatshisname made almost 50 mil this year using conventional thinking.

BUT it woudln't surprise me if the other 31 owners sat down and said "Hey, let's throw the book at them for the sake of the other 31 of us".  Pats are making the league look bad.  They got caught with spygate and just found a better way to cheat.  They aren't remorseful, they're brash and demanding apologies lol   If we're irritated by that, imagine how the league owners feel... You beat us using cheated balls.

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #544 on: January 27, 2015, 08:16:33 PM »
lol this thread is becoming a fairy tale, never seen so much wishful thinking  :D :D

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #545 on: January 27, 2015, 08:22:12 PM »
that's conventional thinking.  Roger whatshisname made almost 50 mil this year using conventional thinking.

BUT it woudln't surprise me if the other 31 owners sat down and said "Hey, let's throw the book at them for the sake of the other 31 of us".  Pats are making the league look bad.  They got caught with spygate and just found a better way to cheat.  They aren't remorseful, they're brash and demanding apologies lol   If we're irritated by that, imagine how the league owners feel... You beat us using cheated balls.

Ok so why did the Patriots score the more points in the second half of the AFC Championship game after the balls were changed out? This huge advantage does not look like an advantage and did the refs even record the pre game readings to compare to half time?  

What if the other owners quarterbacks also manipulated balls like Rogers admitted too?

This whole thing is cluster and it would have been nice to just have a normal lead up to the SB.


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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #546 on: January 27, 2015, 08:28:14 PM »
Ok so why did the Patriots score the more points in the second half of the AFC Championship game after the balls were changed out? This huge advantage does not look like an advantage and did the refs even record the pre game readings to compare to half time?  

WW - you're a reasonable dude so I'll take a shot at this.  Tom Brady having a successful half a game  means nothing.  It's classic small sample size.  Take an elite quarterback and give him a football outside his norm, there's still a great chance he'll have a great half a game.  Especially against a team that doesn't pressure him and who they have historically owned.

This stuff normalizes over larger samples.  There's definitely reason to doubt the Pats.....we just have to see what the NFL decides now.

That news anchor thing really doesn't mean much.  He's just parroting popular NE memes right now.  Can easily be dismantled line by line.
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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #547 on: January 27, 2015, 08:47:02 PM »
Watching how the refs help up Brady, Manning, Rodgers almost every time they get sacked, my guess is the refs who check the footballs put exactly the amount of air the QB's want it...The low limit is 12.5, but the ref knows Brady likes it even lower so they go ahead and throw in 11 psi.

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #548 on: January 27, 2015, 08:50:39 PM »
You guys ever see a ref throw a pass INF flag 5 or 10 seconds after the play ended because a defensive back puts his hands up and basically cries to the ref? Happens all the time. These are the same refs who control the footballs. If Brady tells a ref, hey bro it's supposed to rain today, make sure you take care of me and get those balls where I like em...Why wouldn't a ref who kisses the ass of these stars all the time put in 12psi or 11 psi if no one ever calls them on it? It's obvious to me that's what is most likely going on...

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Re: NFL - Playoffs Jan 2015
« Reply #549 on: January 27, 2015, 09:19:09 PM »
Ok so why did the Patriots score the more points in the second half of the AFC Championship game after the balls were changed out? This huge advantage does not look like an advantage and did the refs even record the pre game readings to compare to half time?

Pats had a nice lead at halftime.  That meant they ran the ball most of the 2nd half, making the D crowd the line, so they were wide open for deep passes which they cashed in on.  You can only play like that when nursing a lead.  Advantage.

Colts were playing from a deficit, so they had to pass way more.  Defense of Pats could lay back and wait for the easy picks.  They were feasting on Luck because they knew Colts wouldn't run much.  Major disadvatage for colts.

THAT explains the 2nd half.