Dorian discusses his AAS stack in Feb MD issue

[denarii]

From the MD site:

Six-time Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates was given the nickname “the Shadow” by MD’s Peter McGough in 1986 because his massive physique would cast a shadow over his competitors, and also because Dorian always kept in the shadows he wasn’t like other up-and-coming competitors who would attend every large bodybuilding show to network and schmooze with people in the industry; he was never seen unless he was competing. There was an element of mystery about Dorian: he didn’t say a lot, so he always kept the other competitors guessing what was going on inside his head – and what were the machinations behind Dorian’s enduring dominance.

Fans of Dorian and other iconic bodybuilders have also wondered about the amount of PEDs (performance-enhancing drugs) used by pros who reached the heights of competitive success. In this month’s MD, Dorian Yates bravely comes forward to set the record straight in an exclusive MD round table with the top three muscle legends of the 90’s – Dorian Yates, Shawn Ray, and Kevin Levrone – in Part 1 of a ground breaking, MD exclusive “The Real Dope on Bodybuilding!”

When it comes to the stacks used by some of the biggest pros used by some of the biggest pros in professional bodybuilding, there is a ton of lies and misinformation published on the internet. “the cycles I have seen posted that I supposedly did – they were all bullshit. Who knows what I used? Even my wife at times didn’t,” Dorian tells MD’s Ron Harris.

Dorian’s steroid use is explored in greater detail by Daniel Gwartney, M.D. in this month’s Fat Attack column, “The Dorian Era: the science behind the stack”. What may surprise many readers is that Dorian’s drug use, as well as Kevin Levrone’s and Shawn Ray’s was much simpler and more rational than the “more is better” and “anything goes” attitude espoused by those who accomplished much less. The fact that Dorian has conveyed many of the tools used to achieve a physique with extremely low body fat is all the more impressive because he did so while retaining a superior amount of lean mass in comparison to most of his challengers.

Bodybuilders like Dorian Yates, as well as millions of men who pound the iron in gyms around the world, know the importance of setting goals and having a plan of action to meet those goals. “If you fail to plan, you plan to fail” is an unwritten law of bodybuilding muscle.

The rest of the book is packed to the binder as usual – with all the latest cutting-edge research on training, nutrition, fat loss, and drugs. And information on bodybuilding by the industry experts and insiders who make it all happen. This month’s issue is one of our best ever! See you next month with another great issue, our 2015 Arnold Classic Preview and training camp plus exclusive interview with the man who made the Arnold Classic possible Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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I may have to stomach the embarrassment of buying one of these mags.

[Lustral]

He said before it was 250-750mg test (cycled on a weekly basis I think) some pitiful amount of deca or some shit and small (max 4-6iu) GH off season. Total horsecockery but, to be honest, after seeing all these idiots mimic Bostin Lloyd's usage and remembering how stupid (reckless) I was when I was 20 or so maybe it is best pros lie about their usage in mass publications.

I have enough sense now to see a huge pro cycle and roll my eyes thinking about the consequences. At 20... 18...? Might be stupid enough to consider it.

[denarii]

Do you not think its the case that to be pro you need a 'world calss response to AAS' and to be able to gain mass easily...

In other words to win local shows they probably did use minimal amounts, to win nationally a bit more and then to work through the pro ranks just dialed it up progressively.

In other words jackasses like Bostin use use boatloads just to look like a plus sized physique competitor have no chance as they just dont have the genetic ability/ AAS response to be that big.

Maybe thats what happened with Ronnie, he didnt use that much to get to the 10-15 place range in the Olympia and then when he dialed it up he exploded in a year and won, or with Wolf a few years ago, in one year when from a 5-10 competitor to a top 3...

[Competitor 9]

He said before it was 250-750mg test (cycled on a weekly basis I think) some pitiful amount of deca or some shit and small (max 4-6iu) GH off season. Total horsecockery but, to be honest, after seeing all these idiots mimic Bostin Lloyd's usage and remembering how stupid (reckless) I was when I was 20 or so maybe it is best pros lie about their usage in mass publications.

I have enough sense now to see a huge pro cycle and roll my eyes thinking about the consequences. At 20... 18...? Might be stupid enough to consider it.

Where the fuck would a 18 year old afford a pro size stack? That's a mortgage payment every month. I'm 26 and I wanted to id have to just not make a house payment and I make decent money more then most people my age.  

If your 18 and your parents give you enough money to play with 5 or 6 grams a week then maybe you should end up getting hurt for being a fucking idoit  

[spiro]

If an average gym rat can use upwards of 3 grams of gear with very little health complications what would stop a 300 pound beast like Dorian from pushing the envelope with doses? Is he going to be morally different and say well ill only stick to these baby doses. This argument Is so stupid. Pros are psychotic about there drug use.Dorian would prob eat human shit if it made him bigger

[Competitor 9]

If an average gym rat can use upwards of 3 grams of gear with very little health complications what would stop a 300 pound beast like Dorian from pushing the envelope with doses? Is he going to be morally different and say well ill only stick to these baby doses. This argument Is so stupid. Pros are psychotic about there drug use.Dorian would prob eat human shit if it made him bigger

These guys have a completely different mind set then a gym rat. Most of these guy will do whatever they think would give them the edge. I hate to repeat that old poll that almost all Olympians would do a drug that would kill them if they where promised a gold metal.  Well these guys are no different


What's so ironic about all this is I think Dorian is really the one that kicked off the massive drug use. There was large amount before him but I thibk dorain took it to that 20iu and slin level.

[Lustral]

Where the fuck would a 18 year old afford a pro size stack? That's a mortgage payment every month. I'm 26 and I wanted to is have to just not make a house payment and I make decent money way more then most people my age. 

If your 18 and your parents give you enough money to play with 5 or 6 grand a week then maybe you should end up getting hurt for being a fucking idoit 

When I was 22/23 I had over €50k disposable income per year easy, but that isn't the point. For €10k/year I'm sure you could take dire amounts of AAS (working it out I could run 5g test per week for around €2500/year, that alone should tell you it is possible to ruin health for fuck all).

[theworm]

From the MD site:

Six-time Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates was given the nickname “the Shadow” by MD’s Peter McGough in 1986 because his massive physique would cast a shadow over his competitors, and also because Dorian always kept in the shadows he wasn’t like other up-and-coming competitors who would attend every large bodybuilding show to network and schmooze with people in the industry; he was never seen unless he was competing. There was an element of mystery about Dorian: he didn’t say a lot, so he always kept the other competitors guessing what was going on inside his head – and what were the machinations behind Dorian’s enduring dominance.

Fans of Dorian and other iconic bodybuilders have also wondered about the amount of PEDs (performance-enhancing drugs) used by pros who reached the heights of competitive success. In this month’s MD, Dorian Yates bravely comes forward to set the record straight in an exclusive MD round table with the top three muscle legends of the 90’s – Dorian Yates, Shawn Ray, and Kevin Levrone – in Part 1 of a ground breaking, MD exclusive “The Real Dope on Bodybuilding!”

When it comes to the stacks used by some of the biggest pros used by some of the biggest pros in professional bodybuilding, there is a ton of lies and misinformation published on the internet. “the cycles I have seen posted that I supposedly did – they were all bullshit. Who knows what I used? Even my wife at times didn’t,” Dorian tells MD’s Ron Harris.

Dorian’s steroid use is explored in greater detail by Daniel Gwartney, M.D. in this month’s Fat Attack column, “The Dorian Era: the science behind the stack”. What may surprise many readers is that Dorian’s drug use, as well as Kevin Levrone’s and Shawn Ray’s was much simpler and more rational than the “more is better” and “anything goes” attitude espoused by those who accomplished much less. The fact that Dorian has conveyed many of the tools used to achieve a physique with extremely low body fat is all the more impressive because he did so while retaining a superior amount of lean mass in comparison to most of his challengers.

Bodybuilders like Dorian Yates, as well as millions of men who pound the iron in gyms around the world, know the importance of setting goals and having a plan of action to meet those goals. “If you fail to plan, you plan to fail” is an unwritten law of bodybuilding muscle.

The rest of the book is packed to the binder as usual – with all the latest cutting-edge research on training, nutrition, fat loss, and drugs. And information on bodybuilding by the industry experts and insiders who make it all happen. This month’s issue is one of our best ever! See you next month with another great issue, our 2015 Arnold Classic Preview and training camp plus exclusive interview with the man who made the Arnold Classic possible Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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I may have to stomach the embarrassment of buying one of these mags.

Well, what the hell did he say?

[Core]

When I was 22/23 I had over €50k disposable income per year easy, but that isn't the point. For €10k/year I'm sure you could take dire amounts of AAS (working it out I could run 5g test per week for around €2500/year, that alone should tell you it is possible to ruin health for fuck all).

yeah but how old are you? kids getting out of college these days are screwed unless they went to an ivy league school. good friend of mine 28 years old with an MBA cant even get an interview after applying to dozens and dozens of jobs, many of which sh'es over qualified for. even has a fair bit of experience too. this is in the US, so many europe is different.. but hey the us is fucked in everyones book i think

[Competitor 9]

Let me do the math, if you get domestic it's around 50 a bottle of tesr at 250mg per cc. So that 2.5g of test a week so 200 a month on test ya that's not to bad.. Now let's throw in the really expensive part..  Gh at around 2.20 a iu at 15iu aday  231 a week or 924 a month so just for test and gh that's 13500 just for test and gh.


So add in another 3 or 4 grand for tren. Eq, Orals, slin your close to 17000 to 18000 a year. Add the food bill in at around 100 to 150 a month which is about resonable that roughly 7000

So we are at 24,000 just for drugs and food

If your 20 work full time and live with your parents. Never go out and don't have much expenses then I suppose it possible.  Is it realistic? No not in the slightest

[denarii]

Let me do the math, if you get domestic it's around 50 a bottle of tesr at 250mg per cc. So that 2.5g of test a week so 200 a month on test ya that's not to bad.. Now let's throw in the really expensive part..  Gh at around 2.20 a iu at 15iu aday  231 a week or 924 a month so just for test and gh that's 13500 just for test and gh.


So add in another 3 or 4 grand for tren. Eq, Orals, slin your close to 17000 to 18000 a year. Add the food bill in at around 100 to 150 a month which is about resonable that roughly 7000

So we are at 24,000 just for drugs and food

If your 20 work full time and live with your parents. Never go out and don't have much expenses then I suppose it possible.  Is it realistic? No not in the slightest

25000 is 500 hours of personal training at 50 an hour. or maybe 750 is you pay taxes. most people can work 2000-2500 hours a year.

[Lustral]

yeah but how old are you? kids getting out of college these days are screwed unless they went to an ivy league school. good friend of mine 28 years old with an MBA cant even get an interview after applying to dozens and dozens of jobs, many of which sh'es over qualified for. even has a fair bit of experience too. this is in the US, so many europe is different.. but hey the us is fucked in everyones book i think

I'm 30, that was while I was in Uni doing degree and Master's degree (parents paid for Master's, degree cost me less than €400 per year (that would now be in the thousands cos Ireland was fucked for cash) - ran my own business, but couldn't do same thing as easily now, that was Celtic Tiger Ireland (I was 23 in 2007, Ireland took a nosedive and my business felt it).

Point was you could run a heavy cycle for beer money and at that age you'd be stupid/foolhardy enough.

Let me do the math, if you get domestic it's around 50 a bottle of tesr at 250mg per cc. So that 2.5g of test a week so 200 a month on test ya that's not to bad.. Now let's throw in the really expensive part..  Gh at around 2.20 a iu at 15iu aday  231 a week or 924 a month so just for test and gh that's 13500 just for test and gh.


So add in another 3 or 4 grand for tren. Eq, Orals, slin your close to 17000 to 18000 a year. Add the food bill in at around 100 to 150 a month which is about resonable that roughly 7000

So we are at 24,000 just for drugs and food

If your 20 work full time and live with your parents. Never go out and don't have much expenses then I suppose it possible.  Is it realistic? No not in the slightest

As I said, ignore GH. You could even add IGF, some tren, oxy, masterone and come in way below €10k. Add in the fact that if you run that on a low wage job your priorities probably aren't the best so you would live at home/forego social life/steal etc.

[Competitor 9]

25000 is 500 hours of personal training at 50 an hour. or maybe 750 is you pay taxes. most people can work 2000-2500 hours a year.

Are you trying to tell me personal trainers make 100k to 150k a years???

[Lustral]

Are you trying to tell me personal trainers make 100k to 150k a years???

Jesus, you've derailed this thread and the point I was making.

Maybe it is better that pros lie about (understate) dosages in magazines/mass publications so impressionable and foolhardy young people don't attempt to emulate the cycles.

OK?

[simon]

or how bout this is just another sad attempt by print media to increase sales as they continue to circle the toilet.  only a matter of time before all these publications are completely a thing of the past. 

[BigRo]

He said before it was 250-750mg test (cycled on a weekly basis I think) some pitiful amount of deca or some shit and small (max 4-6iu) GH off season. Total horsecockery but, to be honest, after seeing all these idiots mimic Bostin Lloyd's usage and remembering how stupid (reckless) I was when I was 20 or so maybe it is best pros lie about their usage in mass publications.

I have enough sense now to see a huge pro cycle and roll my eyes thinking about the consequences. At 20... 18...? Might be stupid enough to consider it.

you still drink like a fish haha

[BigRo]

Jesus, you've derailed this thread and the point I was making.

Maybe it is better that pros lie about (understate) dosages in magazines/mass publications so impressionable and foolhardy young people don't attempt to emulate the cycles.

OK?

agree

[Lustral]

you still drink like a fish haha

Of course 

I lost weight and put on muscle didn't I?  Should sell my secret to the masses.

Aaron is doing a shot of mt2 beside me now and I am drinking wine. What's changed.

[Competitor 9]

Jesus, you've derailed this thread and the point I was making.

Maybe it is better that pros lie about (understate) dosages in magazines/mass publications so impressionable and foolhardy young people don't attempt to emulate the cycles.

OK?

Agreed

[BigRo]

Of course  

I lost weight and put on muscle didn't I?   Should sell my secret to the masses.

Aaron is doing a shot of mt2 beside me now and I am drinking wine. What's changed.

yes its quite mind racking how you did that!

just two negros hanging out then, tell Aaron to he should be proud to be ginger lol

[Mawse]

Where the fuck would a 18 year old afford a pro size stack? That's a mortgage payment every month. I'm 26 and I wanted to id have to just not make a house payment and I make decent money more then most people my age.  

If your 18 and your parents give you enough money to play with 5 or 6 grams a week then maybe you should end up getting hurt for being a fucking idoit  

The same way every other young "prodigy" did, G4P and dealing drugs

Yates made Haney retire for fear of catching palumboism so it's safe to say he took more than 750 test a week but Ron Harris is a huge bullshitter so this article will be hilarious

[Lustral]

The same way every other young "prodigy" did, G4P and dealing drugs

Yates made Haney retire for fear of catching palumboism so it's safe to say he took more than 750 test a week but Ron Harris is a huge bullshitter so this article will be hilarious

Ron Harris is a fan boy and deluded. I remember reading when he trained with Ronnie for the training week years back. Only now do I look back and think how weird it is he commented on the strength of the flush on Coleman's toilet cos of his "Mr O strength shits". Oh brother.

[theworm]

Levrone wrote a few years back he used 500 test a week, 400 deca and some anadrol.  That's it.

What bs, sorry.   It's more believable if he said he did it every other day!

[Coach is Back!]

Are you trying to tell me personal trainers make 100k to 150k a years???

Self employed ones...easily.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Lee Haney was using a couple a grams a week and Weider told him what Dorian was using and it scared he shit out of Haney. Dorian is just trying to re-write history. It's the guys who say they barely used who are in most cases using the most(Dorian, Lee Priest etc)