NY Daily News - Obama and Holder make fools of themselves on World Stage

[Dos Equis]

if we ever  end up in prison together, you're going to be folding my laundry and tossing my salad nightly, susie.

 

Scram girlyman.  Only one of knows what the inside of a jail cell looks like.  

[Straw Man]

Obama didn't pull any trigger.  He never put on a uniform.  He didn't do much except get out of the military's way. 

Does your Obama cheerleading ever end?  Troll.

Shut Up Troll

If the mission had failed you would have given Obam 100% of the blame and you know it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Planning_and_final_decision

The CIA briefed Vice Admiral William H. McRaven, the commander of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), about the compound in January 2011. McRaven said a commando raid would be fairly straightforward but he was concerned about the Pakistani response. He assigned a captain from the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU) to work with a CIA team at their campus in Langley, Virginia. The captain, named "Brian", set up an office in the printing plant in the CIA's Langley compound and, with six other JSOC officers, began to plan the raid.[57]

In addition to a helicopter raid, planners considered attacking the compound with B-2 Spirit stealth bombers. They considered a joint operation with Pakistani forces. Obama, however, decided that the Pakistani government and military could not be trusted to maintain operational security for the operation against bin Laden. "There was a real lack of confidence that the Pakistanis could keep this secret for more than a nanosecond", a senior adviser to the President told The New Yorker.[57]

Obama met with the National Security Council on March 14 to review the options. The president was concerned that the mission would be exposed and wanted to proceed quickly. For that reason he ruled out involving the Pakistanis. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and other military officials expressed doubts as to whether bin Laden was in the compound, and whether a commando raid was worth the risk. At the end of the meeting, the president seemed to be leaning toward a bombing mission. Two U.S. Air Force officers were tasked with exploring that option further.[58]

The CIA was unable to rule out the existence of an underground bunker below the compound. Presuming that one existed, 32 2,000-pound (910 kg) bombs fitted with JDAM guidance systems would be required to destroy it.[59] With that amount of ordnance, at least one other house was in the blast radius. Estimates were that up to a dozen civilians would be killed in addition to those in the compound. Furthermore, it was unlikely there would be enough evidence remaining to prove that bin Laden was dead. Presented with this information at the next Security Council meeting on March 29, Obama put the bombing plan on hold. Instead he directed Admiral McRaven to develop the plan for a helicopter raid. The U.S. intelligence community also studied an option of hitting bin Laden with a drone-fired small tactical munition as he paced in his compound's vegetable garden.[60]

McRaven assembled a team drawing from the most experienced and senior operators from Red Squadron, one of four that make up DEVGRU. Red Squadron was coming home from Afghanistan and could be redirected without attracting attention. The team had language skills and experience with cross-border operations into Pakistan.[58] Without being told the exact nature of their mission, the team performed rehearsals of the raid in two locations in the U.S.—around April 10 at Harvey Point Defense Testing Activity facility in North Carolina where a 1:1 version of bin Laden's compound was built, and April 18 in Nevada.[57][59] The location in Nevada was at 4,000 feet (1,200 m) elevation—chosen to test the effects the altitude would have on the raiders' helicopters. The Nevada mock-up used chain-link fences to simulate the compound walls, which left the U.S. participants unaware of the potential effects of the high compound walls on the helicopters' lift capabilities.[60]
Planners believed the SEALs could get to Abbottabad and back without being challenged by the Pakistani military. The helicopters to be used in the raid had been designed to be quiet and to have low radar visibility. Since the U.S. had helped equip and train the Pakistanis, their defensive capabilities were known. The U.S. had supplied F-16 Fighting Falcons to Pakistan on the condition they were kept at a Pakistani military base under 24-hour U.S. surveillance.[61]

If bin Laden surrendered, he would be held near Bagram Air Base. If the SEALs were discovered by the Pakistanis in the middle of the raid, Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen would call Pakistan's army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and try to negotiate their release.[62]
When the National Security Council (NSC) met again on April 19, Obama gave provisional approval for the helicopter raid. But as he worried that the plan for dealing with the Pakistanis was too uncertain, Obama asked Admiral McRaven to equip the team to fight its way out if necessary.[58]
McRaven and the SEALs left for Afghanistan to practice at a one-acre, full-scale replica of the compound built on a restricted area of Bagram known as Camp Alpha.[63][64] The team departed the U.S. from Naval Air Station Oceana on April 26 in a C-17 aircraft, refueled on the ground at Ramstein Air Base in Germany, landed at Bagram Air Base, then moved to Jalalabad on April 27.[57]
On April 28, Admiral Mullen explained the final plan to the NSC. To bolster the "fight your way out" scenario, Chinook helicopters with additional troops would be positioned nearby. Most of the advisers in the meeting supported going forward with the raid. Only Vice President Biden completely opposed it. Gates advocated using the drone missile option, but changed his support the next day to the helicopter raid plan. Obama said he wanted to speak directly to Admiral McRaven before he gave the order to proceed. The president asked if McRaven had learned anything since arriving in Afghanistan that caused him to lose confidence in the mission. McRaven told him the team was ready and that the next few nights would have little moonlight over Abbottabad, good conditions for a raid.[57][60]
On April 29 at 8:20 a.m. EDT,[62] Obama conferred with his advisers and gave the final go-ahead. The raid would take place the following day. That evening the president was informed that the operation would be delayed one day due to cloudy weather.
On April 30, Obama called McRaven one more time to wish the SEALs well and to thank them for their service.[57] That evening, the President attended the annual White House Correspondent's Association dinner, which was hosted by comedian and television actor Seth Meyers. At one point, Meyers joked: "People think bin Laden is hiding in the Hindu Kush, but did you know that every day from 4 to 5 he hosts a show on C-SPAN?" Obama laughed, despite his knowledge of the operation to come.[65]
On May 1 at 1:22 p.m., Panetta, acting on the president's orders, directed McRaven to move forward with the operation. Shortly after 3 p.m., the president joined national security officials in the Situation Room to monitor the raid. They watched night-vision images taken from a Sentinel drone while Panetta, appearing in a corner of the screen from CIA headquarters, narrated what was happening.[60][62] Video links with Panetta at CIA headquarters and McRaven in Afghanistan were set up in the Situation Room. In an adjoining office was the live drone feed presented on a laptop computer operated by Brigadier General Marshall Webb, assistant commander of JSOC. Hillary Clinton was one of those in the Situation Room, and described it like this: "Contrary to some news reports and what you see in the movies, we had no means to see what was happening inside the building itself. All we could do was wait for an update from the team on the ground. I looked at the President. He was calm. Rarely have I been prouder to serve by his side as I was that day. "[66] Two other command centers monitored the raid from the Pentagon and the American embassy in Islamabad.[57]

[240 is Back]

Scram girlyman.  Only one of knows what the inside of a jail cell looks like.  

lol!  you can accuse me of many things, but by golly, i've never been to jail.  no arrests.  I follow the law and have my good-guy card (permit) to prove it.  You should ask your liberal state to allow them.

I was cuffed once so trigger-happy LEO didn't waste me while checking the big ass weapon in my pants, but I did that as a couortesy (day after the 4 seattle cops died) because the rookie cop weighed 130 and looked skerred.

You're telling us you do know what the inside of a jail cell looks like?    That's pretty hot... any salacious romantic tales to share?

[Dos Equis]

lol!  you can accuse me of many things, but by golly, i've never been to jail.  no arrests.  I follow the law and have my good-guy card (permit) to prove it.  You should ask your liberal state to allow them.

I was cuffed once so trigger-happy LEO didn't waste me while checking the big ass weapon in my pants, but I did that as a couortesy (day after the 4 seattle cops died) because the rookie cop weighed 130 and looked skerred.

You're telling us you do know what the inside of a jail cell looks like?    That's pretty hot... any salacious romantic tales to share?

   Take your homoerotic fantasies to the sex board girlyman.  Or send andre a PM.  He apparently likes that kind of thing.  lol

[whork]

Obama didn't pull any trigger.  He never put on a uniform.  He didn't do much except get out of the military's way. 

Does your Obama cheerleading ever end?  Troll.

You and Obama both.

[Straw Man]

You and Obama both.

Bum is not only utterly clueless as to Obama's involvement but also that the success or failure (mostly the failure) was going to placed solely on him

Actually Bum is utterly clueless about almost everything

[240 is Back]

Bum is not only utterly clueless as to Obama's involvement but also that the success or failure (mostly the failure) was going to placed solely on him

Actually Bum is utterly clueless about almost everything

beach bum's posts were pretty good back in 2006.   These days, he's really regressed.

[Dos Equis]

You and Obama both.

You lie.  The Salvation Army uniform is pretty spiffy. 

[Straw Man]

You lie.  The Salvation Army uniform is pretty spiffy. 

Silence Troll

[andreisdaman]

Excellent point. 

not an excellent point...I answered why already....pay attention

[andreisdaman]

Obama didn't pull any trigger.  He never put on a uniform.  He didn't do much except get out of the military's way.  

Does your Obama cheerleading ever end?  Troll.

When the North defeated the confederacy in the civil war, did LINCOLN put on a uniform???..yet Lincoln got credit for ending slavery
When the U.S destroyed the Nazis and the Japanese did Franklin Roosevelt put on a uniform??..yet he got credit for defeating the Axis
When Winston Churchill beat the Nazis did he put on a Uniform?...yet he has gone down in hx as stopping the Nazi advance
When the U.S. defeated Saddham twice, and beat the Taliban did Bush 41 or Bush 43 put on a uniform??..yet they got the credit

So why was Obama expected to put on a uniform???

you know that the president gives the ok for any operation and its success of failure is in his hands...ask Jimmy Carter...when he failed to rescue our hostages in Iran

YOU ARE REALLY CLOSE TO LOSING MOD PRIVILEGES IF YOU KEEP ON COMING UP WITH IDIOTIC PREMISES  

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[Dos Equis]

not an excellent point...I answered why already....pay attention

Yes it is.  No you didn't.

[andreisdaman]

Yes it is.  No you didn't.

OK...here is it AGAIN..I want you to personally point out whats wrong:

sigh......I guess I'm gonna have to keep destroying you....The islamic terrorists get Korans because they are entitled to them...just like the Muslims in regular U.S jails are....they have them as well.....many of the Muslims in American prisons have committed murder as well and they have Korans...Jews have teh Bible as do Christians...you still have a right to worship while you are in prison...you and I may not like it but its their right while they are incarcerated...those guys at Gitmo HAD KORANS BEFORE OBAMA WAS ELECTED..yet you act as if Obama personally handed them out to them....They gave Bin Laden a Muslim Burial at sea because it was a way to accomplish two things...1. to not have a marked grave site where Bin Laden could still have people visit him and be inspired by him.....(same reason why Hitler was not buried in a marked grave) 2.  to placate the Muslim world because they would have pointed to any ill-treatment of Bin Laden's body and used it as a recruiting tool and a call for revenge....which we haven't heard too much about considering that Bin Laden was Al Qaeda's terrorist leader...you don't rile up your enemies after you've defeated them

The fact of the matter is ..no matter HOW MUCH you want to wish to the contrary, OBAMA GOT BIN LADEN......FACT!!!!!.....OBAMA IS NOT A MUSLIM AS YOU CLAIMED....FACT!!!!........OBAMA HAS DESTROYED THE AL QAEDA TERRORIST NETWORK WITH HIS CONSTANT DRONE ATTACKS...FACT!!!!!HAS KILLED THE SENIOR LEADERS OF AL QAEDA, AL QAEDA IN YEMEN, AND THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN.....FACT!!!!!

[Dos Equis]

When the North defeated the confederacy in the civil war, did LINCOLN put on a uniform???..yet Lincoln got credit for ending slavery
When the U.S destroyed the Nazis and the Japanese did Franklin Roosevelt put on a uniform??..yet he got credit for defeating the Axis
When Winston Churchill beat the Nazis did he put on a Uniform?...yet he has gone down in hx as stopping the Nazi advance
When the U.S. defeated Saddham twice, and beat the Taliban did Bush 41 or Bush 43 put on a uniform??..yet they got the credit

So why was Obama expected to put on a uniform???

you know that the president gives the ok for any operation and its success of failure is in his hands...ask Jimmy Carter...when he failed to rescue our hostages in Iran

YOU ARE REALLY CLOSE TO LOSING MOD PRIVILEGES IF YOU KEEP ON COMING UP WITH IDIOTIC PREMISES  

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Settle down dude.  No need to yell. Plus I usually ignore all caps anyway.

You are mentioning Obama in the same breath with Lincoln?  About what I would expect from an Obama disciple.  In any event, If you're trying to make an analogy to your statement that Obama killed Bin Laden, you would need to say Lincoln killed General Albert Johnston.  But he didn't.  

And as you should know, the North won, while the war on terror is ongoing.  So pretty poor examples there hoss.

[andreisdaman]

Settle down dude.  No need to yell. Plus I usually ignore all caps anyway.

You are mentioning Obama in the same breath with Lincoln?  About what I would expect from an Obama disciple.  In any event, If you're trying to make an analogy to your statement that Obama killed Bin Laden, you would need to say Lincoln killed General Albert Johnston.  But he didn't.  

And as you should know, the North won, while the war on terror is ongoing.  So pretty poor examples there hoss.

still parsing..you know darn well I'm not comparing Obama to Lincoln...again..deflect ing instead of saying "hey you have a point"...and moving on to fight another day

What happened to you man??...I think you should change your name back...you've changed...for the worse..you used to be quite reasonable

[Dos Equis]

OK...here is it AGAIN..I want you to personally point out whats wrong:

sigh......I guess I'm gonna have to keep destroying you....The islamic terrorists get Korans because they are entitled to them...just like the Muslims in regular U.S jails are....they have them as well.....many of the Muslims in American prisons have committed murder as well and they have Korans...Jews have teh Bible as do Christians...you still have a right to worship while you are in prison...you and I may not like it but its their right while they are incarcerated...those guys at Gitmo HAD KORANS BEFORE OBAMA WAS ELECTED..yet you act as if Obama personally handed them out to them....They gave Bin Laden a Muslim Burial at sea because it was a way to accomplish two things...1. to not have a marked grave site where Bin Laden could still have people visit him and be inspired by him.....(same reason why Hitler was not buried in a marked grave) 2.  to placate the Muslim world because they would have pointed to any ill-treatment of Bin Laden's body and used it as a recruiting tool and a call for revenge....which we haven't heard too much about considering that Bin Laden was Al Qaeda's terrorist leader...you don't rile up your enemies after you've defeated them

The fact of the matter is ..no matter HOW MUCH you want to wish to the contrary, OBAMA GOT BIN LADEN......FACT!!!!!.....OBAMA IS NOT A MUSLIM AS YOU CLAIMED....FACT!!!!........OBAMA HAS DESTROYED THE AL QAEDA TERRORIST NETWORK WITH HIS CONSTANT DRONE ATTACKS...FACT!!!!!HAS KILLED THE SENIOR LEADERS OF AL QAEDA, AL QAEDA IN YEMEN, AND THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN.....FACT!!!!!

Wrong.  Radical Islamic terrorists get Korans because they are Muslims.  They don't get them for leisure reading.  They are religious books given to self professed religious people.

[Dos Equis]

still parsing..you know darn well I'm not comparing Obama to Lincoln...again..deflect ing instead of saying "hey you have a point"...and moving on to fight another day

What happened to you man??...I think you should change your name back...you've changed...for the worse..you used to be quite reasonable

lol.  If you have a point I'll tell you that you have a point.  But you don't.  You should go back and read what you wrote.  Of course you compared Obama to Lincoln.

As an aside, even if you were right (and you're not), nobody is going to concede anything to you when act like a drama queen and keep claiming you destroyed people. 

[andreisdaman]

Wrong.  Radical Islamic terrorists get Korans because they are Muslims.  They don't get them for leisure reading.  They are religious books given to self professed religious people.

wow..you've really lost it..I'm losing more and more respect for you...pretty soon you'll be in the 333386 category of complete fool and idiot.....they get Korans because U.S. Law says you can't stop a person from practicing their religion even when incarcerated....which is why even Jews in jail get kosher meals and bibles.....so that why Muslims get the Koran....

again..in your mental illness to try to blame Obama you are trying to imply that Obama gave them the right to the Koran and special food when it is U.S. law

DESTROYED YET AGAIN

[andreisdaman]

By the way, the drama comes from me trying to teach you something and you refusing to learn......if you would have conceded long ago we wouldn't be here now

[Dos Equis]

wow..you've really lost it..I'm losing more and more respect for you...pretty soon you'll be in the 333386 category of complete fool and idiot.....they get Korans because U.S. Law says you can't stop a person from practicing their religion even when incarcerated....which is why even Jews in jail get kosher meals and bibles.....so that why Muslims get the Koran....

again..in your mental illness to try to blame Obama you are trying to imply that Obama gave them the right to the Koran and special food when it is U.S. law

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I don't care if you respect me.  Who the heck are you??  

Anyway, it really sounds like you don't understand what you're saying.  You say in one breath detainees are not Radical Islamists, and in the next you say they get Korans because they are Muslims.  Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Dos Equis]

By the way, the drama comes from me trying to teach you something and you refusing to learn......if you would have conceded long ago we wouldn't be here now

Nah. The drama comes from you being in tune with your feminine side.  lol. 

[andreisdaman]

I don't care if you respect me.  Who the heck are you??  

Anyway, it really sounds like you don't understand what you're saying.  You say in one breath detainees are not Radical Islamists, and in the next you say they get Korans because they are Muslims.  Stop embarrassing yourself.

I never said they are not radical muslims..of course they are..and I say they get Korans because its the law

[andreisdaman]

This is getting ridiculous..you're trolling now ...you know I'm right....no crime committed

[Dos Equis]

I never said they are not radical muslims..of course they are..and I say they get Korans because its the law

Flipper made the point that they get Korans (among other things) because they are Muslim.  You disagreed with him and said they get Korans because are entitled to them.  Then you said they are entitled to them because they are religious.  Now you're agreeing they are Muslim.  lol

Tying yourself in knots.  Why the heck did you disagree with him in the first place?  (Rhetorical question.)

[andreisdaman]

Flipper made the point that they get Korans (among other things) because they are Muslim.  You disagreed with him and said they get Korans because are entitled to them.  Then you said they are entitled to them because they are religious.  Now you're agreeing they are Muslim.  lol

Tying yourself in knots.  Why the heck did you disagree with him in the first place?  (Rhetorical question.)

Flipper was implying that Muslims get the Koran because it is a special privilege and because they are beign coddled..thereby again trying to imply that Obama sympathizes wuith him because he is a covert muslim and gives them special privileges they are not entitled to .....I simply pointed out this is not the case that they receive korans (as do Jews, the bible) due to U.S. law which stats that those incarcerated, even murderers on death row are entitled to pracitice their religion and therefore have a RIGHT to a Koran....I personally don't like it, but that's the law..therefore, his premise that Obama is coddling terrorists and being soft on them was totally false..you agreed with said premise so that makes you either willfully ignorant because you want to troll and be against me or a fool....I don't think you are fool (I do think that Flipper is fool due to how I have totally destroyed him in this thread and disproved every assertion he has made about Obama)..so that means you are trying to hold on to your pride by willfully disagreeing with me when you know I am ABSOLUTELY right