isis throwing gays off a building

[BIG ACH]

Look, i'm all for taking out 100,000 bad guys at a time in order to make us safe.  I'm no wimp.  I'll ice ten of them myself then enjoy a cheeseburger with a hard-on.

My problem is howard's support of rounding up americans in camps because of their skin.  maybe that works for him because he's a chunky white dude, not a brown person that'd be in camps.  But support we decide to do that... Howard should think that through.  

Wasn't there a pipe bomb delivered to an NAACP office recently?  that's domestic terr'ism.  The composite sketch was a chunky white dude, right?  Should we put chunky white dudes in camps if this happens?

I'm all for rights of americans - you fuck with us, we blow you up.  But the rights of our people are a serious thing.

It would never happen..never, ever, ever.  There are over 6 million Muslims in America today, some liberal, some bat shit crazy radical, some poor as dirt, some with more money than god, some easily identifiable, some blended in better than John Smith.... It would be impossible to even figure out who to take and who not to take.  Forget about the backlash that would come from the biggest oil supplier in the world (Saudi), and the economic impact that would be faced.

The biggest issue in my personal opinion regarding Islam is that unlike other faiths, many Muslims are having a hard time moving into the modern age and accepting a truly liberal way of life, more so than those who practice other religions.

Read any of the major scriptures in the Bible, Torah, Koran and you are bound to find some questionable material, violent material, extreme material, etc etc but (and this is my personal opinion) westerners who practice other faiths, have been able to live in a modern world while continuing to practice their faith, I don't see the same from Muslims (at least from many Muslims.. Not all), this could be due to education or lack thereof in that part of the world (and this is not meant as a general statement because I look at my family -parents, cousins, uncles, etc - and they do still practice Islam but live and properly assimilate into modern society, but I see them as the minority.  My family is financially well off, very well educated with graduate level degrees, I consider this the true face of liberal Islam....  But I don't think It'd be fair to say that's an accurate representation of the general Muslim population worldwide.  But neither is that of those who are considered radical and extreme and commit terrorist attacks!  There are plenty of Grey areas in between those two degrees that represent liberal and extreme.

Fucking complex.

[SuperTed]

It would never happen..never, ever, ever.  There are over 6 million Muslims in America today, some liberal, some bat shit crazy radical, some poor as dirt, some with more money than god, some easily identifiable, some blended in better than John Smith.... It would be impossible to even figure out who to take and who not to take.  Forget about the backlash that would come from the biggest oil supplier in the world (Saudi), and the economic impact that would be faced.

The biggest issue in my personal opinion regarding Islam is that unlike other faiths, many Muslims are having a hard time moving into the modern age and accepting a truly liberal way of life, more so than those who practice other religions.

Read any of the major scriptures in the Bible, Torah, Koran and you are bound to find some questionable material, violent material, extreme material, etc etc but (and this is my personal opinion) westerners who practice other faiths, have been able to live in a modern world while continuing to practice their faith, I don't see the same from Muslims (at least from many Muslims.. Not all), this could be due to education or lack thereof in that part of the world (and this is not meant as a general statement because I look at my family -parents, cousins, uncles, etc - and they do still practice Islam but live and properly assimilate into modern society, but I see them as the minority.  My family is financially well off, very well educated with graduate level degrees, I consider this the true face of liberal Islam....  But I don't think It'd be fair to say that's an accurate representation of the general Muslim population worldwide.  But neither is that of those who are considered radical and extreme and commit terrorist attacks!  There are plenty of Grey areas in between those two degrees that represent liberal and extreme.

Fucking complex.

Great post.

[FitnessFrenzy]

the funny is that the killers probably fuck goats and each others in the ass when in campaign, lost in the desert and mountains...

it is not gay if you do it on the ISIS job.

[Natural Man]

It would never happen..never, ever, ever.  There are over 6 million Muslims in America today, some liberal, some bat shit crazy radical, some poor as dirt, some with more money than god, some easily identifiable, some blended in better than John Smith.... It would be impossible to even figure out who to take and who not to take.  Forget about the backlash that would come from the biggest oil supplier in the world (Saudi), and the economic impact that would be faced.

The biggest issue in my personal opinion regarding Islam is that unlike other faiths, many Muslims are having a hard time moving into the modern age and accepting a truly liberal way of life, more so than those who practice other religions.

Read any of the major scriptures in the Bible, Torah, Koran and you are bound to find some questionable material, violent material, extreme material, etc etc but (and this is my personal opinion) westerners who practice other faiths, have been able to live in a modern world while continuing to practice their faith, I don't see the same from Muslims (at least from many Muslims.. Not all), this could be due to education or lack thereof in that part of the world (and this is not meant as a general statement because I look at my family -parents, cousins, uncles, etc - and they do still practice Islam but live and properly assimilate into modern society, but I see them as the minority.  My family is financially well off, very well educated with graduate level degrees, I consider this the true face of liberal Islam....  But I don't think It'd be fair to say that's an accurate representation of the general Muslim population worldwide.  But neither is that of those who are considered radical and extreme and commit terrorist attacks!  There are plenty of Grey areas in between those two degrees that represent liberal and extreme.

Fucking complex.

facing a life or death choice/situation, you d pick muslims, arabs, who look/think like you over a black, white or asian guy, without a doubt.
You cant erase, ignore, your genes, blood.

[Thick Nick]

Not that I'm a practicing Christian or anything, but comparing the Bible to the Koran for horribleness (is that a word?) is like comparing swatting a fly to 911... Hey life was lost right? Wrong... There is something called THE NEW TESTAMENT.. which says stop listening to the batshit crazy stuff in the Old Testament. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NT. says love thy neighbor? turn the other cheek? do unto others? Yeah that's some horrendous stuff right there. Appalling.


Please explain to me where modernizing takes place in the Koran?

[Natural Man]

Not that I'm a practicing Christian or anything, but comparing the Bible to the Koran for horribleness (is that a word?) is like comparing swatting a fly to 911... Hey life was lost right? Wrong... There is something called THE NEW TESTAMENT.. which says stop listening to the batshit crazy stuff in the Old Testament. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NT. says love thy neighbor? turn the other cheek? do unto others? Yeah that's some horrendous stuff right there. Appalling.


Please explain to me where modernizing takes place in the Koran?

christianism is disapearing everywhere in occident, atheism is taking over, and atheists dont reproduce and are attacked by muslims who re making a comeback.

[Cableguy]

Nothing wrong with multiculturalism, but assholes need to be dealt with harshly and with extreme prejudice. Rabid dogs need to be put down.

[BIG ACH]

Not that I'm a practicing Christian or anything, but comparing the Bible to the Koran for horribleness (is that a word?) is like comparing swatting a fly to 911... Hey life was lost right? Wrong... There is something called THE NEW TESTAMENT.. which says stop listening to the batshit crazy stuff in the Old Testament. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NT. says love thy neighbor? turn the other cheek? do unto others? Yeah that's some horrendous stuff right there. Appalling.


Please explain to me where modernizing takes place in the Koran?

Very fair question... In comparison to the new testament that came out to modernize the Christian religion (if you'd like to put it that way) Islam has whats called the "hadith" which, unlike the Koran, is not considered by Muslims to be the "official word of God" but considered to be amendments and additions by various Muslim scholars.  

There are also several degrees of those different hadith's, depending on how one believes they are closely tied to the teachings of the prophet.

Some are also pretty bat shit crazy with all the jihad talk, and some also like the new testament, preach the lovey fuzzy stuff of loving your neighbor and being forgiving and what not.

Modern scholars are stating that we have to dismiss the extreme teachings because those were intended for their time when Muslims were involved in the crusades and were trying to "spread the Muslim word" and protect the faith.  Other more die hard folks are saying, "no! the message is ever lasting and the batshit crazy should continue to be applied!"  This is where you have such a huge divide.

Every day you hear a new fatwa or religious statement coming from some supposed expert that will contradict another one previously stated.  Some are peaceful others are violent, some are flat out absurd (one I heard was that if a man and woman have to work together at a shared office then the woman needs to breastfeed the man in order for the relationship to be pure in the eyes of God).

It's all the conflicting messages that have caused me to turn away and not practice anymore.  

[Agnostic007]

Not that I'm a practicing Christian or anything, but comparing the Bible to the Koran for horribleness (is that a word?) is like comparing swatting a fly to 911... Hey life was lost right? Wrong... There is something called THE NEW TESTAMENT.. which says stop listening to the batshit crazy stuff in the Old Testament. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NT. says love thy neighbor? turn the other cheek? do unto others? Yeah that's some horrendous stuff right there. Appalling.


Please explain to me where modernizing takes place in the Koran?

Just a side discussion... but for 1000s of years it was just perfectly ok to commit atrocities in the name of this same god of the new testament... stoning for picking up sticks on Sunday, all manner of bad things that we know are wrong, then suddenly an addendum is published saying to stop those things and we should just forget the horribleness this alleged god condoned and encouraged? Yeah.. I don't get it..   

[Thick Nick]

I hear you Big Ach, but I'm familiar with the Hadith...if that's the best you got for modernizing Islam... Oh brother. Dont most "moderates" claim the Hadith is not part of the Koran when people talk about the head cutting and shit? Again this is not a very valid comparison.

[JOHN MATRIX]

You want to hear somerhing crazy? One of the bigger citys in sweden wants to help the isis fighters that comes back to sweden with teraphy and offering them a job  ar once so they dont want to go back


yes kill and rape inocent and sweden will reward them with a job so you can fund your trip back

just when i thought things couldnt get any lower...

[Thick Nick]

Just a side discussion... but for 1000s of years it was just perfectly ok to commit atrocities in the name of this same god of the new testament... stoning for picking up sticks on Sunday, all manner of bad things that we know are wrong, then suddenly an addendum is published saying to stop those things and we should just forget the horribleness this alleged god condoned and encouraged? Yeah.. I don't get it..   

No it's not ok... And why changes were made. Do the past atrocities of the Christian or Jewish religions justify the actions of Muslims today? Is that really the equivalency you are trying to make? You are literally talking about hundreds of years ago vs. last week. Come on now.

[BIG ACH]

I hear you Big Ach, but I'm familiar with the Hadith...if that's the best you got for modernizing Islam... Oh brother. Dont most "moderates" claim the Hadith is not part of the Koran when people talk about the head cutting and shit? Again this is not a very valid comparison.

I may be missing your point there but if let  me try to answer it in the way I understood it.

All Muslims state a hadith is not part of the Koran.... there is no dispute in this,regardless whether you're liberal or extreme.  Because as I said, any practicing Muslim will consider the Koran the official word of god, and a hadith... not the word of god... but potentially an explanation of the koran or an addition to it, by those who were closest to the prophet or have studied it at great lenghts.

Here is yet another problem....  there are over 5,000 "authentic" hadiths....  I don't imagine any scholar dead or alive has read and then deciphered ALL of those.  As I said  there are hadiths that are peaceful, there are hadiths that are violent, there are hadiths that are just flat out whacky, and there are hadiths that are not even really hadiths.

I use the hadith as a comparison to the new testament, because you will never see a new testament for the koran, because it says in the koran that this book is the be all and end all regarding the word of god.  Hadiths are explanations and additions that were added by men, which is like basically saying "what god really meant in this part was blah blah blah.... which means we have to also add this part blah blah although not officially stated, it was intended to be there."  Like saying "thats what god really meant to say, oh and he forgot to add that part - just ask the prophet or this "expert""

[Thick Nick]

I may be missing your point there but if let  me try to answer it in the way I understood it.

All Muslims state a hadith is not part of the Koran.... there is no dispute in this,regardless whether you're liberal or extreme.  Because as I said, any practicing Muslim will consider the Koran the official word of god, and a hadith... not the word of god... but potentially an explanation of the koran or an addition to it, by those who were closest to the prophet or have studied it at great lenghts.

Here is yet another problem....  there are over 5,000 "authentic" hadiths....  I don't imagine any scholar dead or alive has read and then deciphered ALL of those.  As I said  there are hadiths that are peaceful, there are hadiths that are violent, there are hadiths that are just flat out whacky, and there are hadiths that are not even really hadiths.

I use the hadith as a comparison to the new testament, because you will never see a new testament for the koran, because it says in the koran that this book is the be all and end all regarding the word of god.  Hadiths are explanations and additions that were added by men, which is like basically saying "what god really meant in this part was blah blah blah.... which means we have to also add this part blah blah although not officially stated, it was intended to be there."  Like saying "thats what god really meant to say, oh and he forgot to add that part - just ask the prophet or this "expert""

My point is you are citing Hadith as a comparison to the NT, but in most cases when people say "the Koran says to cut people's head off and wage jihad" Muslims will say that's not the Koran it's the Hadith. So citing the Hadith as a symbol of moderation is a contradiction.

[_aj_]

This is a surprisingly cogent and rational discussion from Getbig. We need more cawk pics.

[Rami]

If Obama had a son he would be fighting with ISIS.

Obama is ISIS

[BIG ACH]

My point is you are citing Hadith as a comparison to the NT, but in most cases when people say "the Koran says to cut people's head off and wage jihad" Muslims will say that's not the Koran it's the Hadith. So citing the Hadith as a symbol of moderation is a contradiction.

Correct, you are highlighting a major problem for those who practice the faith today.  I honestly don't have an argument for this lol....Some will say this is mentioned in the koran others will say, no its mentioned in the hadith, others will say no its in neither, others will say its in both but you are misunderstanding it, There is no clear answer and there is a counterargument for every argument, some are good, some make no sense.

My point was that, you are using the new testament as the amendment to the original bible which is supposed to modernize it and from the other perspective, the hadith is its counterpart in islam and meant to decipher, explain, and add to the Koran as a way to bring it to the modern world (I never said it was doing a good job of it :-) )

The only thing I will disagree with you on is that the new testament is not all rosey as you are making it out to be - this has been touched on by another member on this thread.

[Knooger]

This is a surprisingly cogent and rational discussion from Getbig. We need more cawk pics.

Couldn't find any cock pics, but here is a cat eating a bunny.

[Mr. MB]

The media and liberals ignore Islams treatment of women and homosexuals. God forbid some Christian say being gay is wrong though. Then there is an outrage.

Well aint that the truth.....

[FitnessFrenzy]

x

[_bruce_]

You want to hear somerhing crazy? One of the bigger citys in sweden wants to help the isis fighters that comes back to sweden with teraphy and offering them a job  ar once so they dont want to go back


yes kill and rape inocent and sweden will reward them with a job so you can fund your trip back

Blanda Up the explosive way.

Sweden has deported any dignity whatsoever,
dear Master,
nuke it we must. 

[Agnostic007]

No it's not ok... And why changes were made. Do the past atrocities of the Christian or Jewish religions justify the actions of Muslims today? Is that really the equivalency you are trying to make? You are literally talking about hundreds of years ago vs. last week. Come on now.

No, thats not the point I'm trying to make. I guess the point I'm making is both the Christian/Judeo and Muslim religion should be ashamed of what their alleged god instructed them to do. Just because it's 2014 doesn't mean the god of the old testament, which is the god of the new testament, didn't condone slavery and order people put to death for infractions that aren't even illegal today

[Pray_4_War]

What is it going to take for idiot liberals and chicken shit rino republicans to say enough is enough?  When are we going to cut the "Religion of peace" bullshit and really get serious about defeating these monsters?  We live in a world full of fucking cowards.

If we are going to have WWIII then lets do this shit now while the west still has a prayer of winning.  10 or 20 years from now will be too late.  When the world is on fire and these animals have won I'm going to log in to Getbig and say I told you so.

[andreisdaman]

It would never happen..never, ever, ever.  There are over 6 million Muslims in America today, some liberal, some bat shit crazy radical, some poor as dirt, some with more money than god, some easily identifiable, some blended in better than John Smith.... It would be impossible to even figure out who to take and who not to take.  Forget about the backlash that would come from the biggest oil supplier in the world (Saudi), and the economic impact that would be faced.

The biggest issue in my personal opinion regarding Islam is that unlike other faiths, many Muslims are having a hard time moving into the modern age and accepting a truly liberal way of life, more so than those who practice other religions.

Read any of the major scriptures in the Bible, Torah, Koran and you are bound to find some questionable material, violent material, extreme material, etc etc but (and this is my personal opinion) westerners who practice other faiths, have been able to live in a modern world while continuing to practice their faith, I don't see the same from Muslims (at least from many Muslims.. Not all), this could be due to education or lack thereof in that part of the world (and this is not meant as a general statement because I look at my family -parents, cousins, uncles, etc - and they do still practice Islam but live and properly assimilate into modern society, but I see them as the minority.  My family is financially well off, very well educated with graduate level degrees, I consider this the true face of liberal Islam....  But I don't think It'd be fair to say that's an accurate representation of the general Muslim population worldwide.  But neither is that of those who are considered radical and extreme and commit terrorist attacks!  There are plenty of Grey areas in between those two degrees that represent liberal and extreme.

Fucking complex.

I will say that Muslims SEEM to be pretty intolerant of any criticism, or better yet, any healthy skepticism of their faith.....

[andreisdaman]

I may be missing your point there but if let  me try to answer it in the way I understood it.

All Muslims state a hadith is not part of the Koran.... there is no dispute in this,regardless whether you're liberal or extreme.  Because as I said, any practicing Muslim will consider the Koran the official word of god, and a hadith... not the word of god... but potentially an explanation of the koran or an addition to it, by those who were closest to the prophet or have studied it at great lenghts.

Here is yet another problem....  there are over 5,000 "authentic" hadiths....  I don't imagine any scholar dead or alive has read and then deciphered ALL of those.  As I said  there are hadiths that are peaceful, there are hadiths that are violent, there are hadiths that are just flat out whacky, and there are hadiths that are not even really hadiths.

I use the hadith as a comparison to the new testament, because you will never see a new testament for the koran, because it says in the koran that this book is the be all and end all regarding the word of god.  Hadiths are explanations and additions that were added by men, which is like basically saying "what god really meant in this part was blah blah blah.... which means we have to also add this part blah blah although not officially stated, it was intended to be there."  Like saying "thats what god really meant to say, oh and he forgot to add that part - just ask the prophet or this "expert""

I think basically that the intolerant muslims we see who have been radicalized are basically failures who just don't have the smarts or skills to compete in the modern world...so they try to turn the clock back to medieval times with harsh rules which sort of put others on equal footing with them..... they impose these rules on others to hold them back and keep them down so that the radicals don't have to step up their game to compete with those who are smarter and more enlightened......if radical islam succeeded in ruling the world it would be the greatest catastrophe in human history....it would essentially turn back the clock and the whole world would be living in medieval times...all technology and scientific/social accomplishments would be lost forever