Bible and Koran summed up

[Brixtonbulldog]

the big problem with religion and atheism is that they're both arguing something they can't prove.. there is a god/gods, there is no god/gods. 

the only people who know are dead.  once we can call em up we'll get to the bottom of it.

[Cableguy]

My word is gold, son. I have done the scientific and historical research, and reality backs the Bible every time. Sorry to dash your cute little atheist fantasies.

So get your research peer reviewed and published in mainstream scientific journals and be accepted by the mainstream scientific community "son". Until then, your cute little theist fantasies will remain just that...  

[The Ugly]

the big problem with religion and atheism is that they're both arguing something they can't prove.. there is a god/gods, there is no god/gods. 

the only people who know are dead.

Only if the believers are right. Otherwise, no one will ever know.

[Erik C]

the big problem with religion and atheism is that they're both arguing something they can't prove.. there is a god/gods, there is no god/gods. 

the only people who know are dead.  once we can call em up we'll get to the bottom of it.

Atheists don't have to prove anything. No one can prove a negative. Religionists are making the claim that there is a god. Therefore the onus of providing proof of their claim is on them. They can't prove that there is a god, therefore they are full of shit.

[Brixtonbulldog]

Atheists don't have to prove anything. No one can prove a negative. Religionists are making the claim that there is a god. Therefore the onus of providing proof of their claim is on them. They can't prove that there is a god, therefore they are full of shit.

okay cupcake.. prove there is or is not life on other planets? 

[Erik C]

So, everything in the bible is fiction?

Yes it's all fiction. Totally made up lies and drug inspired delusions. Read: THE SACRED MUSHROOM AND THE CROSS by John Allegro.

[The Ugly]

Yes it's all fiction. 

So the Roman Empire never existed?

Damn.

[Pray_4_War]

I'm neither an atheist nor a believer but I'd like to make a couple of observations. 

1.  In my years I've found that those that do the most shit talking about Christianity are the ones that know the least about it.

2.  I've also noticed that most Christians that I meet a nice people while most atheists that I've met are dicks.  They have a warped, inflated sense of their own intelligence and an inexplicable need to discredit religion.

I prefer to just let people think what they want to think.

[che]

I'm neither an atheist nor a believer
I prefer to just let people think what they want to think.

Same here , I just don't give a fuck.

[Pray_4_War]

I'm neither an atheist nor a believer but I'd like to make a couple of observations. 

1.  In my years I've found that those that do the most shit talking about Christianity are the ones that know the least about it.

2.  I've also noticed that most Christians that I meet a nice people while most atheists that I've met are dicks.  They have a warped, inflated sense of their own intelligence and an inexplicable need to discredit religion.

I prefer to just let people think what they want to think.

That hasn't been my experience.  Of course Christians think you are going to hell but I haven't known them to be duplicitous shit talkers.

Atheists on the other hand are often hostile towards people that are religious.  They think they are stupid and dismiss them all as hypocrites.  As a result they treat believers with condescension and they do a lot of eye rolling.  I wish they would lighten up.

Jews seem to be the quietest about their faith.

I've found Mormons to be the nicest of all even though their religion seems a little bat-shit crazy to me.

I have very limited experience with Muslims and I've never met a Scientologist.

[SF1900]

That hasn't been my experience.  Of course Christians think you are going to hell but I haven't known them to be duplicitous shit talkers.

Atheists on the other hand are often hostile towards people that are religious.  They think they are stupid and dismiss them all as hypocrites.  As a result they treat believers with condescension and they do a lot of eye rolling.  I wish they would lighten up.

Jews seem to be the quietest about their faith.

I've found Mormons to be the nicest of all even though their religion seems a little bat-shit crazy to me.

I have very limited experience with Muslims and I've never met a Scientologist.

I don't care what theists do, just keep your religion out of politics and my life. They refuse to do this, therefore they will continue to get backlash.

Question:
“My question to Christopher is, how you can justify wanting to take something away from people, that gives meaning to 95% of the American people, and replace it with something that gives meaning to just 5% of the American people?”

Christopher Hitchens, "“Ha! Well, what an incredibly stupid question. First I’ve said repeatedly that this stuff cannot be taken away from people, it is their favourite toy (religion) and it will remain so, as Freud said, it will remain that way as long as we’re afraid of death. Which is I think likely to be quite a long time.

Second I hope I’ve made it clear that I’m perfectly happy for people to have these toys and to play with them at home, and hug them to themselves and share them with other people who come round and play with the toys. That’s, absolutely fine. They are not, to make me play with these toys. I will not play with the toys. Don’t bring the toys to my house. Don’t say my children must play with these toys. Don’t say my toys, might be a condom, here we go again, are not allowed by their toys. I’m not going to have any of that. Enough with clerical and religious bullying and intimidation. Is that finally clear? Have I got that across? Thank you.”

In other words, leave your "toys" (religion) in your home and in your church. Don't bring it near me.

[Tapeworm]

I wonder who gives the best head out of these two.

The camel jockey might have great skills but those brows are a boner killer.  I got to stick with the pasty one with the scrawny ass in this case.

[hardgainerj]

The Bible is true. The other book is not. Atheist asshats throw the baby out with the bathwater. Craig Titus killing someone doesn't make all bodybuilders murderers, and the existence of false religions doesn't invalidate every religion.

whats true about the bible

[Pray_4_War]

I don't care what theists do, just keep your religion out of politics and my life. They refuse to do this, therefore they will continue to get backlash.

Question:
“My question to Christopher is, how you can justify wanting to take something away from people, that gives meaning to 95% of the American people, and replace it with something that gives meaning to just 5% of the American people?”

Christopher Hitchens, "“Ha! Well, what an incredibly stupid question. First I’ve said repeatedly that this stuff cannot be taken away from people, it is their favourite toy (religion) and it will remain so, as Freud said, it will remain that way as long as we’re afraid of death. Which is I think likely to be quite a long time.

Second I hope I’ve made it clear that I’m perfectly happy for people to have these toys and to play with them at home, and hug them to themselves and share them with other people who come round and play with the toys. That’s, absolutely fine. They are not, to make me play with these toys. I will not play with the toys. Don’t bring the toys to my house. Don’t say my children must play with these toys. Don’t say my toys, might be a condom, here we go again, are not allowed by their toys. I’m not going to have any of that.

Enough with clerical and religious bullying and intimidation. Is that finally clear? Have I got that across? Thank you.”

I think that may have been the case many years ago.  Right now the liberal secularists are the fascists trying to impose their will on the USA and the world. They think anything they don't like needs to disappear from the face of the Earth.  They will litigate, legislate and brow beat anything that they don't like or understand.  

Where religious people rub me the wrong way is related to abortion and gay marriage.  They really need to give that shit a rest.  Those are minor issues and in my opinion not at all worth the stink they make about it.  They way I see it, if you don't agree with it then don't have buttsex and don't have abortions.  Let the rest of the world do their worst. You claim to believe that God is the judge......so let him.

I think tolerance is the answer.  Both sides of the political and religious spectrum need to tolerate each other.  Live and let live.  Worry about yourself and your own shit.  Let other people think and do what they want.  Be fair.  

[Croatch]

How does one "seriously" discuss made up nonsense lies, that are the sole root of religion? You believe in bible or koran stories? You might as well believe in stories about Batman, OR Superman!

You forgot another one...Santa Claus.
When anyone tells me a story from the bible, as if it were a fact...I can't even let them finish the story without laughing in their face.
"You know...when Moses parted the Red Sea..."  Bhahaha
Sure.  That's sounds very legitimate.

Even worse, when the person has some degree of intelligence and still believes the fairy tales they were told as a child. It goes to show...you tell someone something enough from a young age...they'll believe anything.
Imagine if you tried to introduce religion to someone fresh at the age of 30...they would laugh the ridiculous tales.

[Pray_4_War]

You forgot another one...Santa Claus.
When anyone tells me a story from the bible, as if it were a fact...I can't even let them finish the story without laughing in their face.
"You know...when Moses parted the Red Sea..."  Bhahaha
Sure.  That's sounds very legitimate.

Even worse, when the person has some degree of intelligence and still believes the fairy tales they were told as a child. It goes to show...you tell someone something enough from a young age...they'll believe anything.
Imagine if you tried to introduce religion to someone fresh at the age of 30...they would laugh the ridiculous tales.

Wait, Santa Claus isn't real?

FUCK!

[SF1900]

I think that may have been the case many years ago.  Right now the liberal secularists are the fascists trying to impose their will on the USA and the world. They think anything they don't like needs to disappear from the face of the Earth.  They will litigate, legislate and brow beat anything that they don't like or understand.  

Where religious people rub me the wrong way is related to abortion and gay marriage.  They really need to give that shit a rest.  Those are minor issues and in my opinion not at all worth the stink they make about it.  They way I see it, if you don't agree with it then don't have buttsex and don't have abortions.  Let the rest of the world do their worst. You claim to believe that God is the judge......so let him.

I think tolerance is the answer.  Both sides of the political and religious spectrum need to tolerate each other.  Live and let live.  Worry about yourself and your own shit.  Let other people think and do what they want.  Be fair.  

You're right, anything that violates the separation of church and state should be brow beaten. Once they try to impose their religion elsewhere, people need to fight back. In other words, anything that violates of church and state definitely needs to disappear. I mean, it is in the constitution.

Exactly, they are trying to impose their religious beliefs on gays and women's issues, as well as many, many other issues. And atheists, humanists and secularists have every right to stop it. 400 years ago you were deemed a witch and hung if you spoke out against religion. Now, religion holds no sacred right. I am glad it doesn't.

Its hard to worry about your own shit when there are laws, legislation, and policies constantly trying to be passed based on a book (the bible). What about Texas? Re-writing history books to fit their own religious and historical agenda. Do you really think that is okay? Shit, even other theists stated that it was wrong to re-write history, yet it is constantly trying to be done. This is when atheists get involved.

My stance is this: believe what you want to believe. But leave it out of science and history class (only when it is necessary to discuss). Leave it out of politics. If they do this, no problem. However, they cant help but impose their religion on others, therefore they will continue to get a backlash. Its simple.

[Pray_4_War]

You're right, anything that violates the separation of church and state should be brow beaten. Once they try to impose their religion elsewhere, people need to fight back. In other words, anything that violates of church and state definitely needs to disappear. I mean, it is in the constitution.

Exactly, they are trying to impose their religious beliefs on gays and women's issues, as well as many, many other issues. And atheists, humanists and secularists have every right to stop it. 400 years ago you were deemed a witch and hung if you spoke out against religion. Now, religion holds no sacred right. I am glad it doesn't.

Its hard to worry about your own shit when there are laws, legislation, and policies constantly trying to be passed based on a book (the bible). What about Texas? Re-writing history books to fit their own religious and historical agenda. Do you really think that is okay? Shit, even other theists stated that it was wrong to re-write history, yet it is constantly trying to be done. This is when atheists get involved.

I think that if our elected officials actually acted in the interests of the people that elected them, that most of this shit would take care of itself.  The majority of the American people are smart and are able to be flexible enough to make changes when something isn't right.  It doesn't always happen right away but we figure shit out eventually.  The people's will and judgement should be running the United States.  Instead it's an elitist club where the new people fall in line with the establishment so they can get their share of the gravy train.

[SF1900]

I think that if our elected officials actually acted in the interests of the people that elected them, that most of this shit would take care of itself.  The majority of the American people are smart and are able to be flexible enough to make changes when something isn't right.  It doesn't always happen right away but we figure shit out eventually.  The people's will and judgement should be running the United States.  Instead it's an elitist club where the new people fall in line with the establishment so they can get their share of the gravy train.

Let me provide you with some anecdotal evidence:

Atheists who come to my front door to try to convert me to atheism: 0
Religious people who ring my door at 8am trying to convert me to their religion: More than I can count

Walking in Times Square in NYC, the amount of atheists groups on corners trying to convert people to atheism: 0
Walking in Times Square in NYC, the amount of religious groups on corners trying to convert people to their religion: More than I can count

And you actually think atheists are the annoying and preachy ones? Oh brotha. 

[Radical Plato]

the big problem with religion and atheism is that they're both arguing something they can't prove.. there is a god/gods, there is no god/gods. 

the only people who know are dead.  once we can call em up we'll get to the bottom of it.

Most atheists I know are happy to admit you can't prove their is no god, in the same way you can't prove the non-existence of the flying spaghetti monster.  The burden of proof is on the person making the wild claims.  If I claim their is a teapot halfway between here and the moon orbiting some asteroid, the burden of proof shouldn't be on the person who doubts such dubious claims.  What bothers atheists the most is religious people just simply making shit up to fill the gaps in our knowledge. 

[SF1900]

I think that if our elected officials actually acted in the interests of the people that elected them, that most of this shit would take care of itself.  The majority of the American people are smart and are able to be flexible enough to make changes when something isn't right.  It doesn't always happen right away but we figure shit out eventually.  The people's will and judgement should be running the United States.  Instead it's an elitist club where the new people fall in line with the establishment so they can get their share of the gravy train.

This will only exist in a perfect world, which will not happen any time soon.

In the mean time, we have to contend with looney theists trying to pass laws based on a book (the bible) that is few thousand years old.

Brilliant.

[Parker]

Yes it's all fiction. Totally made up lies and drug inspired delusions. Read: THE SACRED MUSHROOM AND THE CROSS by John Allegro.

There is mention of the Pharaoh Ramses, you know that dude that was like a brother from a Hebrew mother to Ramses? Well, check it, said Ramses mummy is sitting in a museum in Egypt. So, how can it ALL be fiction, if Ramses body is right there?

[Cableguy]

Most atheists I know are happy to admit you can't prove their is no god, in the same way you can't prove the non-existence of the flying spaghetti monster.  The burden of proof is on the person making the wild claims.  If I claim their is a teapot halfway between here and the moon orbiting some asteroid, the burden of proof shouldn't be on the person who doubts such dubious claims.  What bothers atheists the most is religious people just simply making shit up to fill the gaps in our knowledge. 

I was waiting for someone to use the teapot analogy. Well done sir.

[Erik C]

There is mention of the Pharaoh Ramses, you know that dude that was like a brother from a Hebrew mother to Ramses? Well, check it, said Ramses mummy is sitting in a museum in Egypt. So, how can it ALL be fiction, if Ramses body is right there?

When someone creates a fictional lie. Real places and people are mentioned, to give credibility to the lie. The Egyptians kept rather good historical records. They do not mention a Moses, Hebrew slaves, nor them escaping, and nothing about Ramses dying in the Red Sea whilst chasing the escaped Hebrew slaves. The fact is ancient historical records do not agree with the bible at all, and none of the major characters in the bible is mentioned in any other ancient history. The bible is a made up fraud that you are stupid enough to believe in.

[Cableguy]

There is mention of the Pharaoh Ramses, you know that dude that was like a brother from a Hebrew mother to Ramses? Well, check it, said Ramses mummy is sitting in a museum in Egypt. So, how can it ALL be fiction, if Ramses body is right there?

There may have been a Ramses, there may have been a Moses. Doesn't prove the supernatural component.