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We had a "likeable" have-a-beer-with-him candidate before.  The result was 9-11, trillions spent on an unnecessary war, and a destroyed US economy.  Live and learn.

W was responsible for 9/11?

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W was responsible for 9/11?

do a little research.  He didn't do it, but he was sure careful to get out of the way so it could happen.

*this is where you say i'm full of shit before you do research on it*

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We had a "likeable" have-a-beer-with-him candidate before.  The result was 9-11, trillions spent on an unnecessary war, and a destroyed US economy.  Live and learn.


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W was responsible for 9/11?

9/11 most certainly could have been prevented.  So, yes, Bush is responsible.  The signs were there for any competent leadership team to read.  Remember that memo "bin Laden determined to strike within the United States"?  The memo they all ignored?  Richard Clarke tried for months to get a meeting to talk about terrorist threats generally and specifically.  Condi and company were not the least bit interested... they dismissed him repeatedly telling him that terrorism was not a priority.  Under Bush the chief counter-terrorism adviser on the National Security Council was downgraded from a cabinet level position.  After the attacks they pulled a 180 and acted like they were on top of everything.  The time to be on top of terrorism is before 9/11 happens.

Clarke advised presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Clinton, and George W. Bush, and in his book dissects each man's approach to terrorism but levels the harshest criticism at the latter Bush and his advisors who, Clarke asserts, failed to take terrorism and Al-Qaeda seriously... until it was way too late.  Bah!

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9/11 most certainly could have been prevented.  So, yes, Bush is responsible.  The signs were there for any competent leadership team to read.  Remember that memo "bin Laden determined to strike within the United States"?  The memo they all ignored?  Richard Clarke tried for months to get a meeting to talk about terrorist threats generally and specifically.  Condi and company were not the least bit interested... they dismissed him repeatedly telling him that terrorism was not a priority.  Under Bush the chief counter-terrorism adviser on the National Security Council was downgraded from a cabinet level position.  After the attacks they pulled a 180 and acted like they were on top of everything.  The time to be on top of terrorism is before 9/11 happens.

Clarke advised presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Clinton, and George W. Bush, and in his book dissects each man's approach to terrorism but levels the harshest criticism at the latter Bush and his advisors who, Clarke asserts, failed to take terrorism and Al-Qaeda seriously... until it was way too late.  Bah!



Yeah all Bush's fault..Clinton had multiple chances to take him out. He did not. Clinton bailed in Somalia emboldening Bin laden in the first place. What was the appetite in 2001 for  increased surveillance and where was the infrastructure  to do what guys like Clarke wanted? People who read one book are fucking idiots if they think this is the whole story.
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Yeah all Bush's fault..Clinton had multiple chances to take him out. He did not. Clinton bailed in Somalia emboldening Bin laden in the first place. What was the appetite in 2001 for  increased surveillance and where was the infrastructure  to do what guys like Clarke wanted? People who read one book are fucking idiots if they think this is the whole story.

Deflection does not work: yes, it was Bush's fault. I suppose, like Cheney, you also think going into Iraq was a good move (even though it had nothing to do with 9/11) and that Rumsfeld was the best Secretary of Defense ever.  Bah!

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Deflection does not work: yes, it was Bush's fault. I suppose, like Cheney, you also think going into Iraq was a good move (even though it had nothing to do with 9/11) and that Rumsfeld was the best Secretary of Defense ever.  Bah!


How exactly was W's fault alone considering the plan was hatched in 1995?

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How exactly was W's fault alone considering the plan was hatched in 1995?

You're still here?   ::)

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The Bush apologist always crack me up

If 9-11 had happened the day the Obama was inaugurated the Repubs would have given him 100% of the blame

Shit, they would have probably blamed the very fact that he was elected as the cause

9-11 happened 9 months into Bush's administration and they had plenty of intelligence which they ACTIVELY IGNORED

If you replace Bush Administration with Obama Administration in the narrative below we would never hear the end of it

We have right wing dipshits on this board that think Obama has committed treason by forcing them to have healthcare

Imagine how their heads would explode if the Obama administration had acted like the Bush Administration in the months prior to 9-11


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Clarke and his communications with the Bush administration regarding bin Laden and associated terrorist plots targeting the United States were mentioned frequently in Condoleezza Rice's public interview by the 9/11 investigatory commission on April 8, 2004. Of particular significance was a memo[14] from January 25, 2001, that Clarke had authored and sent to Condoleezza Rice. Along with making an urgent request for a meeting of the National Security Council's Principals Committee to discuss the growing al-Qaeda threat in the greater Middle East, the memo also suggests strategies for combating al-Qaeda that might be adopted by the new Bush administration.[15]

In his memoir, "Against All Enemies", Clarke wrote that Condoleezza Rice made a decision that the position of National Coordinator for Counterterrorism should be downgraded. By demoting the office, the Administration sent a signal through the national security bureaucracy about the salience they assigned to terrorism. No longer would Clarke's memos go to the President; instead they had to pass through a chain of command of National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and her deputy Stephen Hadley, who bounced every one of them back.

Within a week of the inauguration, I wrote to Rice and Hadley asking 'urgently' for a Principals, or Cabinet-level, meeting to review the imminent Al-Qaeda threat. Rice told me that the Principals Committee, which had been the first venue for terrorism policy discussions in the Clinton administration, would not address the issue until it had been 'framed' by the Deputies.[16]

At the first Deputies Committee meeting on Terrorism held in April 2001, Clarke strongly suggested that the U.S. put pressure on both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda by arming the Northern Alliance and other groups in Afghanistan. Simultaneously, that they target bin Laden and his leadership by reinitiating flights of the MQ-1 Predators. To which Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz responded, "Well, I just don't understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden." Clarke replied that he was talking about bin Laden and his network because it posed "an immediate and serious threat to the United States." According to Clarke, Wolfowitz turned to him and said, "You give bin Laden too much credit. He could not do all these things like the 1993 attack on New York, not without a state sponsor. Just because FBI and CIA have failed to find the linkages does not mean they don't exist."[16]

Clarke wrote in Against All Enemies that in the summer of 2001, the intelligence community was convinced of an imminent attack by al Qaeda, but could not get the attention of the highest levels of the Bush administration, most famously writing that Director of the Central Intelligence Agency George Tenet was running around with his "hair on fire".[16]

At a July 5, 2001, White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon."

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You're still here?   ::)


If you want to blame govt negligence - im all w that.   But a CT is pure idiocy

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How exactly was W's fault alone considering the plan was hatched in 1995?

great point

just because it was executed 9 months into the Bush Administration doesn't mean it was their fault in any way.

isn't there someway you can blame Obama for this while you're at it

Afterall, he was a state senator at that time so surely you must have some insane way to tie him in while absolving Bush

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Who said the gov., Rep or Dem, wanted to prevent 9/11?  - No Homo Conspiracy Theorist.

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great point

just because it was executed 9 months into the Bush Administration doesn't mean it was their fault in any way.

isn't there someway you can blame Obama for this while you're at it

Afterall, he was a state senator at that time so surely you must have some insane way to tie him in while absolving Bush

I think you are right - Obama is from Kenya and Al Quadea is strong there too - maybe they were working via Obama to deflect attention away from it.  Not sure though. 

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I think you are right - Obama is from Kenya and Al Quadea is strong there too - maybe they were working via Obama to deflect attention away from it.  Not sure though. 

come on since when has being "not sure" ever stopped you from having an utterly insane belief

maybe you can tie Obama's father into it as well

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LMAO at trying to assign any one person 'fault' for 9/11 ::)