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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2015, 10:23:30 AM »
What's left out of that is that he is known to the police in the area and his prior criminal past. If a guy who has shot at  a cop before is with a gun again I wouldn't trust anything he says.

You have to realize that a cop makes a decision in seconds. Then it is debated in the courts with expert consultants for months before a decision is made. Police are legally empowered to use deadly force when appropriate, and a 1989 Supreme Court decision concluded that an officer's use of force must be evaluated through the "perspective of a reasonable officer on scene rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2015, 10:25:14 AM »
cops are under a lot of stress.  Like the NYC Mayor said, you have to be careful!  Maybe the dude thought it was alright to jump out of car and explain shit, but with a gun right there, coming at the cop, he created a situation where the cop chose to use deadly force.

That cop probably shouldn't be a cop anymore - move him to desk duty, teach him a clerical skill.  He did shoot a man that was advancing, not following directions clearly.  Then again, we don'ot know if he's drunk, if he's mentally retarded, etc.   So don't charge him, but he can't be on the street next week, doing this this again.

I look fwd to seeing the passengers 5th grade graduation pictures on MSNBC by Monday morning  ;D

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2015, 10:35:14 AM »
Pigs always yell using that same stupid voice. Pigs are rude. First pigs are rude and then the pig kills you. So very piggish.
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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2015, 10:37:27 AM »
circa 1950s:

population of new york: little over 8 million
size of police force: 5000

today:
population of new york: little over 8 million
size of police force: over 35,000

food for thought.

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2015, 10:56:54 AM »
He's in the clear in my book.. He know this thugs dangerous past.

He told him exactly what was going to happen. Don't move, show me your hands, if you get out of the car I will shoot you, you will be dead


Well guess what happened

If he would have done what was said he would be back in jail and our tax money going to feed and cloth him again, frankly in greatful. One less mouth taking food away from people who deserve it

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2015, 10:57:42 AM »
Only good cop is a dead cop.

And this video proves it.

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2015, 11:01:45 AM »
Justified shooting. He was told repeatedly to show his hands and failed to comply, and then exited the vehicle without being asked to and approached the officer. Even with his hands up he could have lunged at the cop. That cop could have been dead if he did not shoot. It has happened before.

The ex-criminal who was shot was a moron for not using common sense and paid for it with his life.

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« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2015, 11:26:30 AM »
years back i had an experience with some cops.

i was driving with a friend, we were pulled over for no reason, over the loud speaker they said "shut off the engine and put the keys on top of the roof and keep your hands up". i was stunned and nervous, this just a traffic stop.

i did exactly what they said, they approached on both sides with their guns drawn and pointed at both of us. we didn't move one bit. after some disrespectful talk on their part, they let us go.

i worked at a mom and pop business, i told my boss what happened and described the cops. a good friend of his was a lieutenant in the precinct, he told him the story and what the cops looked like, the lieutenant told him those cops were known to be trigger happy and that i was lucky because had i deviated one bit they would have shot me.

i knew the same lieutenant because he used to stop by the store all the time to chat with my boss. he was one hard, no nonsense guy and he thought those were bad cops and they were in fact being looked at by their superiors.

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2015, 11:27:22 AM »
What's left out of that is that he is known to the police in the area and his prior criminal past. If a guy who has shot at  a cop before is with a gun again I wouldn't trust anything he says.

Exactly, it wasn't a routine stop, these cops were "hunting".
 
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You have to realize that a cop makes a decision in seconds.

With their overtly hostile tone it's no wonder they are now getting shot at. In fact, unless the high-ups start training these folks on how to approach different situations, I can almost guarantee that police stations will get raided (kind of what used to happen in Harlem during the 60s and 70s) if they keep harassing the population they are supposed to protect.

Personally, I love it when I hear that a cop got shot to death. Tough. Fucking. Shit. Should've been a plumber.

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Then it is debated in the courts with expert consultants for months before a decision is made.

Cops are rarely indicted. People just do not want to believe the obvious: That cops are just as bad as the criminals they say they are "protecting" us from.

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Police are legally empowered to use deadly force when appropriate, and a 1989 Supreme Court decision concluded that an officer's use of force must be valuated through the "perspective of a reasonable officer on scene rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

I think there's sufficient evidence nowadays to seriously put into question the "reasonable" in an officer's perspective.

And do not bring up the "Supreme Court" into this because there's plenty of evidence too, as to how WRONG they've called it in the past. Let's just go on universal law, or do not do onto others what you wouldn't want done onto you.  

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2015, 11:33:02 AM »
Only good cop is a dead cop.

And this video proves it.

The only thing proven here is you're a moron.
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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2015, 11:34:52 AM »
This post proves you're a moron.

Really? Even though I haven't killed anyone in my life and there's a video, A VIDEO, on the first page of this thread, of a cop killing a civilian.

See if you can find a SINGLE video of me killing anyone anywhere.

Go fuck yourself.

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2015, 11:36:39 AM »
Exactly, it wasn't a routine stop, these cops were "hunting."


Well if they were "hunting," then they bagged the proper prey! It should be open season on violent criminals of all races, all year around, with no bag limit!

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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2015, 11:38:44 AM »
Well if they were "hunting," then they bagged the proper prey! It should be open season on violent criminals of all races, all year around, with no bag limit!

Exactly, they are essentially hunters, not cops. And they do not let badges and uniforms get in the way either.

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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2015, 11:40:41 AM »
Really? Even though I haven't killed anyone in my life and there's a video, A VIDEO, on the first page of this thread, of a cop killing a civilian.

See if you can find a SINGLE video of me killing anyone anywhere.

Go fuck yourself.

No, you're a moron because you've taken the video, and applied it to every policeman everywhere.
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« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2015, 11:42:20 AM »
Well if they were "hunting," then they bagged the proper prey! It should be open season on violent criminals of all races, all year around, with no bag limit!

That easy, huh? Just kill anyone who is a violent criminal? If they were current violent criminals and apprehended, they would most likely be in jail. If they were violent past criminals and are walking the street, there is also a chance they are no longer being a criminal. Then how do you differentiate between those past violent criminals who are still criminals, and those past violent criminals who are no longer criminals, in order to avoid just shooting anyone who was a past violent criminal?
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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2015, 11:43:27 AM »
Exactly, they are essentially hunters, not cops. And they do not let badges and uniforms get in the way either.

Their job is protecting society from dirtball, violent criminals. In this case they did a good job. They should shoot dead, more scumbag criminals, for any reason whatsoever that they can make up. Every time a violent criminal dies, it's a good thing.

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2015, 11:45:18 AM »
I will add - at that close range, with a slow moving target, he really did have chance to AIM for something different.

I know they're taught to aim center mass/head to bring down a threat... but unarmed guy advancing, eh, this is a tough one. 

Dude was a stone cold IDIOT to get out of car.  But past offenses shouldn't have played into it.

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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2015, 11:47:23 AM »
That easy, huh? Just kill anyone who is a violent criminal? If they were current violent criminals and apprehended, they would most likely be in jail. If they were violent past criminals and are walking the street, there is also a chance they are no longer being a criminal. Then how do you differentiate between those past violent criminals who are still criminals, and those past violent criminals who are no longer criminals, in order to avoid just shooting anyone who was a past violent criminal?

A leopard doesn't change it's spots. Criminals have declared war on society, and will continue their criminal ways until they are incarcerated for life, or killed. Killed is better. The rule should be: "One strike, and you're dead." That will solve many social problems.

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« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2015, 12:00:00 PM »
No, you're a moron because you've taken the video, and applied it to every policeman everywhere.

No, not at all. My opinion is not based on only that video, it based on many cop-killing-civilian videos, books like The New Jim Crow, Sundown Towns, et cetera; as well as having lived through multiple rather nasty encounters with various policemen in various towns, in which I happened to get the worst of the exchange, going from losing teeth to having to go fight a $250/6 point ticket the day after I got laid off.

The one make a monumental assumption (thinking that my opinion of cops is based on a single video) is you.

Go fuck a cop.

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« Reply #44 on: January 24, 2015, 12:06:26 PM »
A leopard doesn't change it's spots. Criminals have declared war on society, and will continue their criminal ways until they are incarcerated for life, or killed. Killed is better. The rule should be: "One strike, and you're dead." That will solve many social problems.

I wrote out a statement, but erased it. I can't even debate a statement like that.  :-\
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« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2015, 12:12:23 PM »
"as well as having lived through multiple rather nasty encounters with various policemen in various towns, in which I happened to get the worst of the exchange, going from losing teeth to having to go fight a $250/6 point ticket the day after I got laid off.

So let's see....You got a ticket, and got into a fight with the Meter Maid, who knocked out couple of your teeth, after you got fired, for being stoned at work, so you hate cops. My piles bleed for you!

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2015, 12:15:31 PM »
Their job is protecting society from dirtball, violent criminals. In this case they did a good job. They should shoot dead, more scumbag criminals, for any reason whatsoever that they can make up. Every time a violent criminal dies, it's a good thing.

I'm sorry but I didn't see anything "violent" about that criminal. If he was a criminal at all.

What we all saw was an overtly hostile cop shooting to kill when shooting a different, non-essential, body part would've sufficed. If apprehending the criminal were the intention that is.

What these two cops did was hunt these two persons and intentionally kill one of them with little to no provocation. Meaning the cop seemingly wanted to kill that individual.

That action should send a clear message to ALL of society as to HOW FAR these assholes in a uniform will go to send a clear message that cops are above civilians.

As i said before, cops kill more civilians than viceversa.

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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2015, 12:21:56 PM »
So let's see....You got a ticket, and got into a fight with the Meter Maid, who knocked out couple of your teeth, after you got fired, for being stoned at work, so you hate cops. My piles bleed for you!

No, two separate incidents. Read my past messages for a more detailed description of the encounters, if you're interested (even though I can sense you're just being passive-aggressive).

But the thread is not about me, so please send me a PM.

 

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« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2015, 12:29:36 PM »
No, not at all. My opinion is not based on only that video, it based on many cop-killing-civilian videos, books like The New Jim Crow, Sundown Towns, et cetera; as well as having lived through multiple rather nasty encounters with various policemen in various towns, in which I happened to get the worst of the exchange, going from losing teeth to having to go fight a $250/6 point ticket the day after I got laid off.

The one make a monumental assumption (thinking that my opinion of cops is based on a single video) is you.

Go fuck a cop.

Given the large number of policeman, you're always going to have bad ones, and also unfortunate circumstances.  Still doesn't every cop should be killed.  Most police officers are good people.
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Re: New Jersey Cop Fatally Shoots Unarmed Man With His Hands Up
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2015, 12:42:56 PM »
Given the large number of policeman, you're always going to have bad ones, and also unfortunate circumstances.  Still doesn't every cop should be killed.  Most police officers are good people.

In my opinion, its hard to determine what a good cop is. Sure, most cops who pull me over for a moving violation are just fine. However, I also determine moral action when you're put in a scenario that really determines character.

Lets be honest here: If there was a scenario where two cops approached a person. Let say cop 1 used excessive force and was clearly wrong in the situation. Let say cops 2 was just standing by. When it is all said and done, and cop 2 needs to give a statement to his boss, is cop 2 more likely to side with the civilian or side with his partner (cop 1)? I'd say the majority of cops, not all,  would side with their partner, even if their partner was clearly wrong. And this may be a good cop who acts just fine when interacting with civilians.

That is why its so hard to say what is a good or bad cop, because different scenarios will elicit different responses. You can have a supposedly good cop take the side of his crooked partner. I can't imagine too many scenarios where even a good cop would go against his partner. The police department is very cult-like in that manner.
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