Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)

[thegamechanger]

Doesn't matter to me what he competes in.
He's fit and lean but I'm not that impressed with his physique.
Biggest problem is that he lacks a width and a V taper.

are you suggesting that its not all about weight but also proportions and symmetry

[falco]

[Pet shop boys]

Unfortunately mandar is right, this is hgh.  I'm constantly around people who take hgh and you see the difference in skin quite obviously.  he's also on winstrol and low low test.   
The best bodybuilder I Know eats good and trains all year round, off gear he looks like a regular shape guy with big arms who's abs are only obvious when flexed. Less than 10% all year round, but a hgh 8% is totally different from a natty 8%. On hgh muscles pop out from the skin before flexed.

This. 

Wooosshhhh

[falco]

[thegamechanger]

typical juicehead kid. its shocking the amount of steroids todays kids are using and the dosages back in the day 10 year olds would only do cell-tech and creatine

[Thin Lizzy]

Yes, I still judge a physique based on all the key criteria.
Once MPD and bikini became the biggest divisions, I quit judging.

To me, men like Bob Paris and Flex Wheeler were 2 of the greatest physiques ever on an IFBB stage.

This Bob Paris?

And none of the "Retired" stuff. Without drugs, he's a regular guy with a good physique, who can't get his dog to look at the camera

[Donny]

I don't think that dog ever juiced. His white fur makes him look thicker naturally.

No shit Sherlock, Bob Paris juiced when he was a pro BB.
I think he had an ideal physique regardless of drugs .

Bob Paris Great Bodybuilder. Looks fit now..

[smoothasf]

This is what a normal guy who works out looks like.  no one can say his frame hasn't held more muscle than is obtainable naturally And without steroids this is a normal guy. Accept it and be happy with it, he looks healthy.

[njflex]

This is what a normal guy who works out looks like.  no one can say his frame hasn't held more muscle than is obtainable naturally And without steroids this is a normal guy. Accept it and be happy with it, he looks healthy.

I would say he is not training hard at all,eating enough as in bbing terms in yrs,and of course drugs,,he stripped away that look'persona'long ago of course he will just be fit now..

[Thin Lizzy]

I don't think that dog ever juiced. His white fur makes him look thicker naturally.

No shit Sherlock, Bob Paris juiced when he was a pro BB.
I think he had an ideal physique regardless of drugs .

[TheShape.]

I would say he is not training hard at all,eating enough as in bbing terms in yrs,and of course drugs,,he stripped away that look'persona'long ago of course he will just be fit now..

One of the few bodybuilders that will live past 80 from that era.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Bone structure and density have a lot to do with it.  If you're a rail you'll struggle to put on any muscle mass and when you do you'll look like Iggy Pop.

[njflex]

One of the few bodybuilders that will live past 80 from that era.

haney should,,,Christian had other drug problems,demey clean living now/healthy.labrada was smart too,mike Quinn  tons of other problems..

[njflex]

On a serious note, I've recently taken a good look at those who compete in NPC over 50, 60 divisions.
The nationals as some decent guys but they look less ripped and freaky then guys in their 40's.
Plus, a lot of the older guys have smaller quads.

In all modesty, if  I can stick with the diet, I'm convinced I can kick ass in within my division at a regional contest.
I intend to do just that and let the results speak for themselves.

dude you have old size sitting there waiting to be ripped,,go already,,,,

[Thin Lizzy]

Very true!!! Shiiiit how much weight u loose to be competition ready! People think they are ready when they still have atleast 10kg/22pounds to loose. Most people cant handle getting into real shape because there is nothing of them left. And thats even on roids.

The exception, of course, is Getbig, where the average poster has better bodybuilding genetics than Bob Paris.

[Thin Lizzy]

On 2nd thought...
 
Eating donuts is fun so wtf. Thin Lizzy is right, I'll remain a chubby douche posting shit here on getbig until I croak or the site crashes.

You have a few years on me, but, a worthy goal for guys in our demographic is to look good "for your age."

[dogbowl]

The only people whose drug use you can be sure about are those who were around before the drug was invented, and the guy you see in the mirror.    For everyone else you are guessing.

It's surprising that True Adonis is so unscientific in his approach to this topic.

And the comments about skin quality are pretty funny too.   Always a similar claim, but never any specific details:  "you see the difference in skin quite obviously."   If the differences are so obvious, then surely you would be able to give a good description of what you're seeing, and those differences should be visible to other people?  

"Skin pressed to lean tissue" is not nearly specific enough.

I wonder if you can see these skin differences when only shown a small area of skin (or one muscle and a couple of veins)?  Looking at skin alone I honestly doubt you could even tell male from female, let alone one drug effect from another.

[The True Adonis]

Great post and you bring up some good points.

Imagine trying to enforce a drug testing policy based on what a guy looks like?

TA - I had to disqualify you for a positive drug test.

Dude - What test did you use?

TA - You have skin pressing into the muscle and are above the values listed on the natural maximum chart.

Dude - That's it?

TA - You obviously juice and anyone like me can tell just by looking at you.

Dude- Hmmm, I'm sure a judge in  court will agree LOL

[thegamechanger]

if the guy has too good looking skin he juice, if it's red he juice, if he looks bloated he juice, if he's too shredded he juice, if he got acne he juice etc etc