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The True Adonis

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Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:12:27 AM »
Marc Perry Lean Body Mass Formula

The formula is:

(Your Height in Inches -70) x 5 + 160 = Maximum LBM

A chart based on Marc Perry's formula:
Marc Perry's Formula
Maximum Lean Body Mass Prediction
Height    Max LBM (Weight - Body Fat)
5'4"    130 pounds
5'5"    135 pounds
5'6"    140 pounds
5'7"    145 pounds
5'8"    150 pounds
5'9"    155 pounds
5'10"    160 pounds
5'11"    165 pounds
6'0"    170 pounds
6'1"    175 pounds
6'2"    180 pound

Martin Berkham/Lean Gains Lean Body Mass Formula
The formula is:

    (Height in centimeters – 100) = Max Body Weight in Kg When @ 5-6% Body Fat

A chart based on Martin Berkham's formula:
Martin Berkham's Formula
Max Lean Body Mass @ 5-6% Body Fat
Height    Max Weight    Max LBM
5'5"    143 pounds    135 pounds
5'6"    149 pounds    140 pounds
5'7"    154 pounds    145 pounds
5'8"    160 pounds    150 pounds
5'9"    166 pounds    156 pounds
5'10"    171 pounds    161 pounds
5'11"    177 pounds    166 pounds
6'0"    182 pounds    171 pounds
6'1"    188 pounds    177 pounds
6'2"    194 pounds     182 pounds

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ritch

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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2015, 09:17:30 AM »
Sorry man, know a guy in high level natty, (lifetime) and surpasses those charts by a mile. But he is not the norm. For most.. The chart is kinda accurate.
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The True Adonis

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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2015, 09:19:02 AM »
Quote from: ritch on February 03, 2015, 09:17:30 AM
Sorry man, know a guy in high level natty, (lifetime) and surpasses those charts by a mile. But he is not the norm. For most.. The chart is kinda accurate.
Pics and evidence please.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 09:23:51 AM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on February 03, 2015, 09:19:02 AM
Pics and evidence please.

that is like saying where is the evidence to support your claims. So you refuse to believe it's possible for somoene with superior genetics to surpass your chart?
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 09:24:20 AM »
Seems about right to be honest..At least for me
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 09:33:20 AM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on February 03, 2015, 09:19:02 AM
Pics and evidence please.

I posted the guy once and everyone was screaming gear... Totally no point in doing so.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2015, 09:35:56 AM »
Quote from: ritch on February 03, 2015, 09:23:51 AM
that is like saying where is the evidence to support your claims. So you refuse to believe it's possible for somoene with superior genetics to surpass your chart?

No, the hastily thrown together chart with meaningless numbers is his "evidence". You must now produce photographs and other notarized documentation to refute the sheer heft of that.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AM »
Quote from: Howard on February 03, 2015, 09:36:58 AM
I think that chart is more an avg.
I know plenty of lean, ripped looking dues who exceed that chart and play other sports .

As a high school sprinter, I didn't lift and was a lean 178lbs at 5'9".
there's a difference in being "lean" and being at 5% bodyfat
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2015, 09:43:45 AM »
Most models Ive seen put a 5'9 guy around 180-190lbs max bodyweight at 8-10% so 170 or so would seem somewhere in the realm at a true 5%.  Most people probably see a guy at 8% and think he is 5%.  I don't see any reason why a person with a real high natural test level and years of training couldn't surpass this though.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2015, 09:44:20 AM »
Totally 100% natural is food only, no supps!
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2015, 09:45:25 AM »
Is LBM calculated estimating 0% BF?
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2015, 09:47:36 AM »
Bullshit.  This doesn't account for differences between the races.  Hebrews on average are going to carry more muscle and less bodyfat.  Other races will be different also, on average.  Also, when you consider all the race mixing, between everyone, it's going to be very difficult to come up with numbers like that and expect them to be accurate.

It's no different than the BMI chart.  That is also bullshit.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2015, 09:50:59 AM »
Quote from: Wiggs on February 03, 2015, 09:47:36 AM
Bullshit.  This doesn't account for differences between the races.

If it's an average from a variety of different races it does.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2015, 09:53:50 AM »
Quote from: Grape Ape on February 03, 2015, 09:50:59 AM
If it's an average from a variety of different races it does.

Is it?
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2015, 09:59:16 AM »
Quote from: Howard on February 03, 2015, 09:54:51 AM
true, but I was age 16-17 and didn't lift or know what a steroid was then, so wtf.
I'm no freak but competed in drug tested shows at 5% fat and around 193 lbs at 5' 9 1/2"
That goofy chart says I max at 155-160 lbs LOL.
I couldn't get that light unless I starved myself for weeks and chopped my leg off LOL

Does anyone here really think  a genetic freak like 5"11" Ronnie Coleman needed drugs to be
heavier then 165-170 lbs with 5% body fat.

This kind of chart reminds me of those goofy positive self esteem ht/wt /frame charts for chunky girls.
To be fair, you may have competed in a drug tested show, but you were not drug free.  At least according to your stories you posted.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2015, 10:04:57 AM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on February 03, 2015, 09:59:16 AM
To be fair, you may have competed in a drug tested show, but you were not drug free.  At least according to your stories you posted.

Do you run any gh with your cycles?
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2015, 10:13:08 AM »
Bullshit list   ;) 

Eat Heavy - Lift HEAVY 

Repeat for years and years - then dial back = muscles .
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2015, 10:14:00 AM »
Quote from: Wiggs on February 03, 2015, 09:53:50 AM
Is it?

I used to train BJJ with this guy. He, now, fights MMA at 185. At 6'3" I had about an inch of height on him.

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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2015, 10:16:31 AM »
Quote from: Thin Lizzy on February 03, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
I used to train BJJ with this guy. He, now, fights MMA at 185. At 6'3" I had about an inch of height on him.



Come on man.  You're using one guy to prove an argument?  That chart is BS.  It should be common sense that you can't make a chart like this and expect it to be accurate.  There are too many differences between humans, we don't all fit nicely in a chart.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2015, 10:21:11 AM »
Quote from: Wiggs on February 03, 2015, 10:16:31 AM
Come on man.  You're using one guy to prove an argument?  That chart is BS.  It should be common sense that you can't make a chart like this and expect it to be accurate.  There are too many differences between humans, we don't all fit nicely in a chart.

Jon Jones is 6'4" and is soft at 205. The truth is most 6'2 athletic guys are lean at 185.

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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2015, 10:21:40 AM »
i guess according to that list evander holyfield could never have fought as a heavyweight
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2015, 10:25:28 AM »
What's happened to Martin Berkhan? Never hear much from him anymore.
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Thin Lizzy

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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2015, 10:26:04 AM »
Quote from: thegamechanger on February 03, 2015, 10:21:40 AM
i guess according to that list evander holyfield could never have fought as a heavyweight

Not without "help."

He started as a 175lb light heavyweight.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2015, 10:28:42 AM »
Quote from: Thin Lizzy on February 03, 2015, 10:26:04 AM
Not without "help."

He started as a 175lb light heavyweight.

i guess according to that list chuck liddell could never have fought at 205.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2015, 10:31:23 AM »
Quote from: Grape Ape on February 03, 2015, 09:50:59 AM
If it's an average from a variety of different races it does.
Totally correct Grape.
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