BigRo Exposed as an idiot, Whey Protein vs Meat Debate

[The True Adonis]

He went full retard when started mocking science and talked about aritifical sweetners. Looks like he must have been listening to fat Alex from Infowars. When someone totally discounts scientific evidence what is the point of even talking to them about anything.

You are also not correct regarding antibiotics in meat and hormones for that matter. 

[thegamechanger]

well you can do what you want but im gonna leave no stones unturned here and go for both the meat and whey, and i might even throw in some vegetables just in case

[The True Adonis]

I get my chicken from a local source which is not intensively farmed. Buy my steak organic.

there is much evidence out there about aspartame/sucralose causing illness.

No there isn`t.  All the evidence of one of the most heavily tested and studied substances, aspartame, says you are dead wrong.  

[_aj_]

I normally take whey by itself with water, but my girlfriend has got me into drinking green smoothies the last month, and I'm now blending whey into a post workout green smoothie, and it seems to be working out quite well.  Smoothie:  half cucumber, 2 celery stalks, 3 Kale leaves, 1 green apple, slice of lemon, slice of ginger, 1.25 cups water, 1.5 scoops vanilla ON protein.  Blend in Blendec until smooth. 

The gayest thing on getbig since the last response to the BigRo thread.

[The True Adonis]

In other words, just get your protein from foods you know for certain they contain all those amino acids you're looking for.

The only way to know that, would be to analyze it at a lab.  All meats are not equal, even if the same cut.  Even the same cut from the same cow.


I laugh at people thinking they know the amino profile in meat.  They don`t.  They never consider it until a thread like this comes along.

Method is not wrong about the powder.

[The True Adonis]

Protein powder is a great way to meet your protein needs so that you can fill the rest of your calories with Dessert and that way you don`t have to waste your calories elsewhere.

Disclaimer, I am about to eat a Bacon Sandwich with bacon I smoked. 

[tommywishbone]

Only on Getbig do you have a 165 pound sniffer of male asses telling a world-class 240 pounds bodybuilder he's doing it wrong

   Bingo.  These children have no concept of real bodybuilding. None.

[BigRo]

Protein powder is a great way to meet your protein needs so that you can fill the rest of your calories with Dessert and that way you don`t have to waste your calories elsewhere.

Disclaimer, I am about to eat a Bacon Sandwich with bacon I smoked. 

 

[Method101]

You can't prove what he said is incorrect with scientific evidence so you just post an eye roll smiley. Take your broscience and fuck off.

Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible than scientific research.

THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WRONG WITH GETTING ALL OF YOUR PROTEIN FROM WHEY, INFACT YOU WOULD NEED LESS GRAMS OF PROTEIN BECAUSE OF THE HIGH BV. TO GET THE SAME EFFECT FROM BEEF YOU WOULD NEED TO EAT ALOT MORE TOTAL GRAMS OF PROTEIN DUE TO THE LOWER BV, BUT YES BOTH CAN FILL YOUR DAILY REQUIREMENT FOR OPTIMAL GROWTH. AS COULD A LARGE AMOUNT OF RICE AND PEA PROTEIN ISOLATE LOL.

P.S PEOPLE WHO USE SHAKES GET THEIR EFAS, MICROS AND CARBS FROM OTHER SOURCES DICKHEAD. AND WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS IMMORAL AND ENVIRONMENTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE TO BE EATING STEAKS AND CHICKENS EVERY SINGLE DAY!? +IT COSTS A FORTUNE.

[BigRo]

post a pic of your 12 inch pipes again buddy

[Van_Bilderass]

I am nearly 220 now you dumass, shows how little you know comparing what I am like now juiced to the gills compared to my old natty pics before! Oh and don't bother asking for pics cos I am not posting them till my mission is complete by summer which is 200-220 @ 7% when some people will be head fucked.

Bigmc has seen my pics and can confirm I am beasting so fuck off with that noise!  
I sent him video me T-bar rowing 6 plates like it was piss.

Getting back to the point, no one is saying don't drink protein drinks, just saying it will never compare to eating real meat.

I know cos I tried eating 300g all from protein shakes b4, results were I was flat as fuck and lost muscle.
On steak and real meat, I was full as fuck and held muscle.

How can u fucking even be so dum to compare processed shit they make in factory in China and Taiwan, which probably gets degraded like fuck by time it reached u without u even knowing what the fuck is in it compared to eating meat that comes from a real fucking cow? Do u test your whey protein isolates?

Your gear is probably shit too, 100% convinced everything in black market including Alpha Pharm is 50% under-dosed compared to real pharma shit.
I know cos I tried it and can feel the fucking difference, I know my body.

I look like shit myself, certainly no top bodybuilder but I have been around the bb scene for a long time and have trained consistently for about 25 years. A few months ago you looked like someone who had no base, very little time put in the gym. I can tell things like this. If you've been consistent since it's still not a long time. There is zero chance of you being 200-220 @ 7% by summer. Zero.

Here is my training partner (best amateur bb in Sweden last year) who I've been friends with for 20 years, built with fake Chinese proteins and fake gear. And you'll be at his level by summer (according to your fantasy stats)?   You are delusional.

[Van_Bilderass]

My friend in the pic actually asked me just a couple of weeks ago about proteins. He asked
me whether whole proteins were better than powders. He said he suspected whole foods were better. I told him my opinion, which was that both have their advantages. Whatever the case, last
prep he used whey isolates, micellar casein and whey/casein hydrolysates for a large portion of his
protein needs and a plenty of aminos too. So I'm very honest here, some competitors have their doubts as to the value of powders, they aren't always so sure. But like I said, I think they both have their advantages. Some of the gurus believe in powders, a few not so much, but most incorporate them in some capacity.

[The True Adonis]

I am nearly 220 now you dumass, shows how little you know comparing what I am like now juiced to the gills compared to my old natty pics before! Oh and don't bother asking for pics cos I am not posting them till my mission is complete by summer which is 200-220 @ 7% when some people will be head fucked.

Bigmc has seen my pics and can confirm I am beasting so fuck off with that noise!  
I sent him video me T-bar rowing 6 plates like it was piss.

Getting back to the point, no one is saying don't drink protein drinks, just saying it will never compare to eating real meat.

I know cos I tried eating 300g all from protein shakes b4, results were I was flat as fuck and lost muscle.
On steak and real meat, I was full as fuck and held muscle.

How can u fucking even be so dum to compare processed shit they make in factory in China and Taiwan, which probably gets degraded like fuck by time it reached u without u even knowing what the fuck is in it compared to eating meat that comes from a real fucking cow? Do u test your whey protein isolates?

Your gear is probably shit too, 100% convinced everything in black market including Alpha Pharm is 50% under-dosed compared to real pharma shit.
I know cos I tried it and can feel the fucking difference, I know my body.


Do you send your meat away for lab analysis to determine exact protein bio-availability and amino content? 

[_aj_]

I am nearly 220 now you dumass, shows how little you know comparing what I am like now juiced to the gills compared to my old natty pics before! Oh and don't bother asking for pics cos I am not posting them till my mission is complete by summer which is 200-220 @ 7% when some people will be head fucked.

Bigmc has seen my pics and can confirm I am beasting so fuck off with that noise!  
I sent him video me T-bar rowing 6 plates like it was piss.

Getting back to the point, no one is saying don't drink protein drinks, just saying it will never compare to eating real meat.

I know cos I tried eating 300g all from protein shakes b4, results were I was flat as fuck and lost muscle.
On steak and real meat, I was full as fuck and held muscle.

How can u fucking even be so dum to compare processed shit they make in factory in China and Taiwan, which probably gets degraded like fuck by time it reached u without u even knowing what the fuck is in it compared to eating meat that comes from a real fucking cow? Do u test your whey protein isolates?

Your gear is probably shit too, 100% convinced everything in black market including Alpha Pharm is 50% under-dosed compared to real pharma shit.
I know cos I tried it and can feel the fucking difference, I know my body.

[TestDummy]

post a pic of your 12 inch pipes again buddy

hahaha WTF this has become the biggest BB hater BB Forum on the internet

[The True Adonis]

The companies are obligated to do so in UK so if it says it has 30g protein then it HAS to have that because its regulated.

No such regulations in the supplement industry and there lies your problem.

Also its a question of the distribution network/systems, there is reason why meat goes off at certain time and you have useby dates etc.

You honestly think protein fart drinks can sit there for like a year and have same effect as meat that goes off in like 10 days before it has to be frozen???

Feel free to test the theory out yourself like I did. For 8 weeks take all your protein from shakes, then do same for 8 weeks on meat, same amount and other factors same.

You will see there is big difference in before and after pictures.

I mean if what you are saying is true then there is no point in ever eating and spending money on meat again.

I know they can.  Do you not know what whey is?  Shelf stability does not mean less inferior protein.  Astronauts who spend months and years in space eat nothing but shelf stable foods with adequate protein content.

Your argument is nonsense in this regard.

[The True Adonis]

The companies are obligated to do so in UK so if it says it has 30g protein then it HAS to have that because its regulated.

No such regulations in the supplement industry and there lies your problem.

Also its a question of the distribution network/systems, there is reason why meat goes off at certain time and you have useby dates etc.

You honestly think protein fart drinks can sit there for like a year and have same effect as meat that goes off in like 10 days before it has to be frozen???

Feel free to test the theory out yourself like I did. For 8 weeks take all your protein from shakes, then do same for 8 weeks on meat, same amount and other factors same.

You will see there is big difference in before and after pictures.

I mean if what you are saying is true then there is no point in ever eating and spending money on meat again.

Uh, variance is allowed and the protein number is generalized when it comes to meat, either UK or from the USA.  Anybody in either country can go to the store, buy a whole chicken, have the label read the same content, yet come away with two totally different chickens nutrient wise.  The label for chicken is correct (with the allowed plus or minus varianace) however it is up to the CONSUMER to choose a chicken which may contain way more fat and less protein or less fat and more protein yet the label will read the same.

Don`t tell my you just blindly choose meat and produce.  They are not all the same despite labels reading the same.  Surely you know this.

[The True Adonis]

Example.

Last Week I made Adobong Manok Sa Gata or what is known as Filipino Chicken in Coconut Milk.  When I went to select chicken thighs, I knew I wanted some with medium amount of fat content as I was going to use the fat for a braising liquid, but I did not want too much fat as the Coconut Milk has more than enough and wanted the Coconut flavor to come through more pronounced.

I spent a long time going through Chicken Thighs to find some that were not as fatty as usual with about 1/16 or so uniform thickness of fat cap with no gobs.  Sure, the label reads the same as the ones I rifled through, but the fat content was incredibly different as was the protein content between all of them and the ones I selected.


Going by the label, you would think they would be the same, but they sure aren`t.  Anybody with eyes can see that.  Unless you are weighing it all and sending it to a lab to get analyzed, you have no idea of the actual amino profile.  You only have an estimate.  Not that this is a bad thing, but thats what you have, an estimate with no clue as to the specific amino profile.

[thegamechanger]

“There is no spectacle on earth more appealing than that of a beautiful woman in the act of cooking dinner for someone she loves.”
― Thomas Wolfe

[Van_Bilderass]

Yes 200+ 7% is optimistic but definitely achievable....and my coach who fucking placed top 6 in Arnold thinks so too, so id rather listen to him thank you very much.

I am not fucking around with wishy washy gay ass stacks here I am on nearly G and half + Pharma GH.
If I have to push slin soon I will (but rather not right now)

Either way 200 + 7% is happening. If I only come in 190lb so be it, but its STILL GONNA HAPPEN.

How tall are you? I don't know if you realise how big 200-220lbs close to contest shape is, that's why I posted that pic. He was about 210lbs there at like 174cm tall, I forget exactly how tall. As for the bodyfat, hard to say, depends on how you measure it, but let's say 5%. You would have to approach it like a life or death situation, even then it's unlikely to happen. Not to mention your boozing and coke habit. You're probably high right now, that's why you're so optimistic.

[The True Adonis]

“There is no spectacle on earth more appealing than that of a beautiful woman in the act of cooking dinner for someone she loves.”
― Thomas Wolfe

Thomas Wolfe once spent the night at our house. 

[rudylrichards]

Not a fan of bigRo but he's absolutely right on this one. Seems like method101 read some articles & appointed himself an expert. One thing about science when it comes to nutrition & training is that it changes frequently.

Definitely a thread backfire.

[Van_Bilderass]

TA, I would think the amino profile of an animal species is in their DNA, the amino ratio is probably pretty consistent.

[The True Adonis]

TA, I would think the amino profile of an animal species is in their DNA, the amino ratio is probably pretty consistent.

Amino to Fat ratio I should say as well as different cuts of meat, even on the same animal.

And aminos in regards to amounts.  I doubt Joon is analyzing the DNA of each cow he consumes or Chicken he Consumes.  Many different breeds will have different genetic profiles.

For instance today's pork is 50-70 percent leaner than the pork sold in 1950.

[thegamechanger]

i would never eat pork from the 1950's