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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2016, 07:37:56 PM »
First, a lot of these guys come off during certain times of the year and get blood work done. If you dont compete or havent, its difficult to understand, and i get it but he has the chance to do what 99% of people cant do! Even if you take shit you still have to bust ass and eat good. You dont get that big from nothing.

Getting bloodwork done doesn't actually do anything though. I see everyone always say 'get bloodwork done'. Pulling a few vials of blood isn't going to cure anything lol. There is no way they have a healthy lipid profile.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2016, 07:41:14 PM »
First, a lot of these guys come off during certain times of the year and get blood work done. If you dont compete or havent, its difficult to understand, and i get it but he has the chance to do what 99% of people cant do! Even if you take shit you still have to bust ass and eat good. You dont get that big from nothing.




This x2.
And Having the Right Genetics.
A lot of people don't want hear / Believe that.
Just to keep them happy ' It's All Drugs '
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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2016, 01:59:27 AM »



This x2.
And Having the Right Genetics.
A lot of people don't want hear / Believe that.
Just to keep them happy ' It's All Drugs '
'It's All Drugs'  'It's All Drugs'
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But it still is all drugs no matter how good the genetics, take all the drugs out and the physique is night and day difference, all of them and that includes flex wheeler, Cormier, Jay, Ronnie, etc...

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2016, 02:49:21 PM »
But it still is all drugs no matter how good the genetics, take all the drugs out and the physique is night and day difference, all of them and that includes flex wheeler, Cormier, Jay, Ronnie, etc...






You have a point.
Likely though that they would still be the best if there
We're no drugs for anyone & everyone was clean / natural
(Whatever that is)
Would Arnold & Sergio still have been the best in their era
If all drugs weren't available.??
Probably.

I just don't get the hang up / issue with performance enhancing
Drugs, Is there the same hang up with performance enhancing
Food, training, supplements, equipment, herbs, mental attitude etc etc.
Man has sought was to be better than the next man from Day 1.





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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2016, 03:59:39 PM »
Never seen anyone younger than 60 with that many liver spots


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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2016, 04:30:08 PM »
Steroids changes the viscosity of the blood and increases blood pressure that spikes sky high while lifting. It also ages guys. Have you've seen anyone that juiced heavy for over a decade. They facially look way older than their age.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #81 on: February 26, 2016, 07:33:13 PM »
Steroids changes the viscosity of the blood and increases blood pressure that spikes sky high while lifting. It also ages guys. Have you've seen anyone that juiced heavy for over a decade. They facially look way older than their age.

All bullshit.  Blood pressure spikes when anyone lifts.  Sky high, no.   Steroids can increase RBC's, simple solution, dump a pint of blood every 6 weeks.  I've juiced for along time... 18 years.  Without fail, everyone guesses I'm at least 10 years younger than I am.  Must be the Serostim.  Bloodwork every 3 months is always perfect.  Damn steroids, they're terrible for you.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #82 on: February 27, 2016, 06:37:27 PM »
All bullshit.  Blood pressure spikes when anyone lifts.  Sky high, no.   Steroids can increase RBC's, simple solution, dump a pint of blood every 6 weeks.  I've juiced for along time... 18 years.  Without fail, everyone guesses I'm at least 10 years younger than I am.  Must be the Serostim.  Bloodwork every 3 months is always perfect.  Damn steroids, they're terrible for you.








Ha ha.
Well said.
25yrs on & off.
Most guess I'm a few years younger than my actual age.

Sure steroids can be problematic,
Then so can driving a car, walking through city. Etc. Etc.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2016, 06:59:32 PM »
is there any picture of someone actually looking better on drugs than natural?
how can someone for example prefer ronnie coleman on drugs compared to without or with very little? whats the point of drugs if its gonna make you look worse, not better?

How can someone prefer Ronnie on drugs than off? How about virtually the entire bodybuilding community. These are bbers not fashion models. Ronnie became a millionaire being a bber. That would not have happened if he just stayed being a cop.

Josh looks waaaay better now as a bodybuilder than he did six years ago where he wasn't even big enough to be a threat in Physique.

There are a lot of up and comers abusing hormones and HGH, Not many have made such progress in six years as he has.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #84 on: February 28, 2016, 04:03:40 AM »
But it still is all drugs no matter how good the genetics, take all the drugs out and the physique is night and day difference, all of them and that includes flex wheeler, Cormier, Jay, Ronnie, etc...

No, drugs has nothing to do with this, it is all genetics:



Genetics are great, for example, this chick has great genetics to be a male  bodybuilder:




I wonder why there still is people who try to deny that it is all drugs? All what you have to see, is what happen when they stop using that crap, and disappear. Then they reappear with the 1/3 of the previous body weight, and people are amazed about their genetics? These clowns deflate like a balloon because they have so brilliant genetics? Wake up? Now I reveal a little secret to you guys: if you have being using gear 18 to 25 years but never win any major  contest, never got any fame and fortune, if you are known only in the getbig forums, don't blame your genetics. Blame yourself,  because you are just an idiot. There is lot of people who use lot of drugs and who are training, and lot of them are training like baboons. That's why we have so few competing bodybuilders, and even less successful ones  ;D

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #85 on: February 28, 2016, 04:43:08 AM »
Steroids changes the viscosity of the blood and increases blood pressure that spikes sky high while lifting. It also ages guys. Have you've seen anyone that juiced heavy for over a decade. They facially look way older than their age.

At this point, I am forced to conclude that some juiced up stud plowed your wife/girlfriend. Your irrational hatred of steroids has caused you to internalize and evangelize every negative stereotype you have ever heard or read. I keep expecting a diatribe on "roid rage" soon.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #86 on: February 28, 2016, 05:17:16 AM »
You can take all the steroids you can stand but if you don't train and you don't eat vast amounts of food and don't get enough sleep you ain't going to have any muscles.

So it's all drugs, all food, all training and all sleep.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #87 on: February 28, 2016, 05:23:02 AM »
You can take all the steroids you can stand but if you don't train and you don't eat vast amounts of food and don't get enough food you ain't going to have any muscles.

So it's all drugs, all food, all training and all sleep.

And in general, when people say that it's "genetics" it's not their natural muscle-building genetics that they are referring to. It's their genetic ability to consume and UTILIZE vast amounts of AAS. Gear doesn't do the same thing for the same people.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #88 on: February 28, 2016, 05:39:15 AM »
First, a lot of these guys come off during certain times of the year and get blood work done.

Ah, good ol' blood work. As if the blood work shows something wrong--and it will every time one is on juice-- they are gonna pull out the stops. :)


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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #89 on: February 29, 2016, 02:04:39 AM »
And in general, when people say that it's "genetics" it's not their natural muscle-building genetics that they are referring to. It's their genetic ability to consume and UTILIZE vast amounts of AAS. Gear doesn't do the same thing for the same people.

And here is pictures to prove that:

Two fine afro gentleman, who has a same first name, but different ability to utilize AAS. In fact one of them has better ability to utilize his ASS to rammed by gay men, but that is an another topic..



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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #90 on: February 29, 2016, 04:20:36 AM »







Ha ha.
Well said.
25yrs on & off.
Most guess I'm a few years younger than my actual age.

Sure steroids can be problematic,
Then so can driving a car, walking through city. Etc. Etc.

You sound like the person who's 75 years old and has smoked their whole life bragging about their health. Is smoking a risk to good health. I will answer it for you. Of course it is.  Will everyone get heart problems or other illnesses? No.  I do bet you are delusional when you look at your face in the mirror and think you look great due to the compliments you get on your drug physique. Go completely off for 6 months and tell me how great you look for 25 years of cycling. I bet it's not a pretty sight.

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« Reply #91 on: February 29, 2016, 04:35:57 AM »
You sound like the person who's 75 years old and has smoked their whole life bragging about their health. Is smoking a risk to good health. I will answer it for you. Of course it is.  Will everyone get heart problems or other illnesses? No.  I do bet you are delusional when you look at your face in the mirror and think you look great due to the compliments you get on your drug physique. Go completely off for 6 months and tell me how great you look for 25 years of cycling. I bet it's not a pretty sight.

I felt the same way through my training life. I never took pictures because I was always hard on my self thinking I could do way better. I wish I had a picture of myself at 24 when I was ripped. I have so few pictures of my self when I was in my early 40's looking good. I was just so critical and hard on my self thinking wait till you really get it together. Now closing in on 60 I will never regain what I had and I wish at least I had some pictures. I have two pictures of me in decent shape with my shirt off for my whole life of training.

I see steroid junkies load up on pictures on cycle and they show people the pictures when they are off cycle looking like crap. One fat smooth guy was showing me a picture of him self all buffed out and I told him I don't need the picture you're right in front of me. He put his treasured picture back in his wallet and quickly changed topics.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #92 on: February 29, 2016, 04:48:24 AM »
Go completely off for 6 months and tell me how great you look for 25 years of cycling. I bet it's not a pretty sight.
Why would he do that? Why not be as young as possible for as long as possible? You are irrational sometimes. Should anyone be running high doses as you get older? No, probably not. But to keep yourself mostly healthy/youthful as the years go by is a good thing.

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #93 on: February 29, 2016, 02:52:11 PM »
You sound like the person who's 75 years old and has smoked their whole life bragging about their health. Is smoking a risk to good health. I will answer it for you. Of course it is.  Will everyone get heart problems or other illnesses? No.  I do bet you are delusional when you look at your face in the mirror and think you look great due to the compliments you get on your drug physique. Go completely off for 6 months and tell me how great you look for 25 years of cycling. I bet it's not a pretty sight.








You sound like a very limited thinking person.
As is your right- you have a hatred of steroids.

I have not said how wonderful I look facially
Or that I have a great physique.
( it was half decent enough to win national
Level comps before I started on steroids )
Merely commented that most people underestimate
My age.

As for my health or any one else's there are no guarantees in life,
And we all know plenty of young fit heathy people who have suddenly
Dropped Dead.
Likewise very old unfit unhealthy smoking / drinking drug taking people
Who go on & on living.
Your point is.?

How about you go completely off food for 6mnths & see how great you look.
 ;)

As for delusional Pot > Kettle > Black.

What is it you so dislike about performance enhancing drugs,
And is it only performance enhancing drugs that you dislike or
All things performance enhancing.


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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #94 on: February 29, 2016, 02:55:09 PM »
Two fine afro gentleman, who has a same first name, but different ability to utilize AAS. In fact one of them has better ability to utilize his ASS to rammed by gay men, but that is an another topic..



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Melvin Taylor looked great there

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #95 on: February 29, 2016, 03:21:34 PM »
The body's response to and tolerance of drugs are paramount.  




This x2.
And Having the Right Genetics.
A lot of people don't want hear / Believe that.
Just to keep them happy ' It's All Drugs '
'It's All Drugs'  'It's All Drugs'
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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #96 on: March 01, 2016, 01:58:00 PM »
Steroids changes the viscosity of the blood and increases blood pressure that spikes sky high while lifting. It also ages guys. Have you've seen anyone that juiced heavy for over a decade. They facially look way older than their age.

did you ever use steroids?

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #97 on: March 01, 2016, 02:11:30 PM »
The development of a profesional bodybuildr/bible index

i was asked to explain in detail when hormones is introduced to profesional levels physiqe,, i will do so ,, you must again promise me this stay on getbig.com,, they all come to read me here so no need to put it on other boardings,, be sure they come first thing in morning to read gh15 before they even brush teeth,, so no posting on other boardings!

ok,,in the next sets of pictures you will be introduced to stages in development of a profesional bodybuild,, and any bodybuild to be exact...the reason this is coming to a pro level is THE TIMING of the hormonization ...and being smart enough to know what wanted to do with life from younger age eventhough didnt speak loud about it,, it is important to understand we profesionals start hormonizing ourselves during teenager years,, some before 16 some after but always 16 year old is the age we start more or less,, aside from liar priest which started before,, in general 16 years old with majority of us,,NOT ALL ,,majority of us!

give me few minutes and everything wil be explain with pictures,,

ok this set of picturs is of a truly TRULY natural kid and teenager,, it is a fella that is fat kid,,and then with introduction of some sport and natural gh growth inadition to some resistance training and running and playing little sport achieve a decent athletic stiff type of built btu still fit looking,, this is TRULY NATURAL,, all of it is HIS own hormones and his own work that put into it ,,no means aside from him wanting to be more fit and less fat inadition to natural growth,, this is again NATURAL!

the next set of pictures is when the fella INTRODUCE WEIGHT TRAININGN IN A MORE SERIOUS WAY,, that serious way involve a quick look and expericne with designer steroids,, that quite fast is DISCONTINUED and move into the real deal with is hormones,, in ALL 3 PICTURES the fella is going through the gym rat phase in his own home gym or gyms around of trying the regular testosterona nandrolona dianabolona ,, orals mainly but injects too,, it is introduced like any of you fellas do it ...most likley at the beggining of the steroids boarding beggining...i would guess it is during the retabolil era of dimination which is 1998-2003,, this is a fella a younger kid that just go gym rat doses and levels and try to get his physiqe beter,, and is sucesful in that,, again all 3 pictures are HORMONIZED! no idea about gh importance

next set of pictures,, this is when the fella ,,still younger kid...since anything under 22 is a kid... THIS! is where the tranformation into a mutant start happening,, with introduction of 2 things ...first gh! along with higher doses of aas,, and then insulina,, this is how early its been introduce to his phsyqie inorder to achieve a dream ,, he fantasize already at this age to be profesional bodybuild trust me on that,, he want to go higher and higher,, he see it in the magazine and want it ON HIMSELF,, this is where introduction occure and this is what happen after ...what you see in the pictures below is what happen after the introduction of al 3 together,, during that year period


and finaly last set of pictures,, this is pretty much a pro ready physiqe,, he has everything aside from chest,, but as you can see he never had chest or pecs to begin with ,, he improved alot and brought them up but pecs is very bad part on his body which was improved to pro level with great dedication and work which that he should be acknoleged for!,, in any case this last 2 pictures is pro in the making ready to win nationals americana or any competition that turn you to a pro ,, and look at what age he got there! this is becaus efrom very young age eventhough he didnt say it ....he was sitting home wishing for girls to want him ,, for girls to be owed by his physiqe ....you can see it in the picture with daddy on the beach how he is proud with his built fit physiqe and how he just waiting to show it eventhough nothing much to show....this is fella who knew and wanted to be a pro ,,and achieved it
good job and congratulation on the kid to even cenerfuny


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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #98 on: March 01, 2016, 02:23:02 PM »

The most important hormones in bodybuilding


due to popular demand,,
those are must hormone in blood for top amatuer and ofcourse profesional,, insulina and hgh are not a must for fitness model level phsyiqes eventhough today fitness model fellas are on hgh every few months then off,, in general those 5 hormones here are must inorder to get high in the ranks of npc competetive bodybuild aka national and then profeisional ,, local competition can do with out insulina and hgh ,, some do it completly natural but dont expect anything better than 3-5 placing in your class in the local if truly natural and that class will never be heavy or light heavy or super heavy kt will be light weight or middle weight as true natural ,,and thats if you have very good genetic and only! in local which is not national or profesional ofcourse

1. HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE,, with out it there is no pro conditioned size,, no matter how much you will jump and shout from morning to night,, no human growth hormone in blood with the window of 6 months writen in bible = no pro conditioned size and no pro card

2. TRENBOLONA ACE,, this is the most important most most most importanto anabolic steroids you can ever put into your blood,, it is more important than any other hormone even more important than hgh when it come to muscle condition,,
with out trenbolona ace THERE IS ABSOLITLY NO ADVANCE BODYBUILDER,,bodybuild with no trenbolona ace doesnt will always hear he look good...but never great,, will alwys hear yes you look good fella but but remember in the summer....remember when you were seperated and chest and deltd were huge and you were shred to pieces ,, that time you were better ,, i dont say you dont look good friend but its not what you were few month back ,, this! is what you hear when bodybuild is not on trenbolona ace!

trenbolona ace is the ONLY steroid that will let you eat anything,, you can eat icecream on this steroid and grow lean and ripped,, you can eat buns you can eat sushi ,, you can eat normal! and be shred! it is an aas with the capacity to get you in condition quite fast while at the same time growing you in the lean muscle departmnt ,, it grow you and burn fat same time,, you see it mainly to begin with by the vein poping out everywhere they go up from under the water and start poping all around if lean to begin with ,, thennn the seperation start occuring ,, it is daily changes not weekly ,, daily change on doses of 100-200 mg every day or 2 ,, you talk here about real fast changes,, and ofcourse after few months you are a walking competetive bodybuild ,, highly impressive when it come to condition withsmall waist depending on your hgh and insulina intake...with no insulina you will have 30 inch waist while you are 210lb ! when on trenbolona ace,, it is only! on trenbolona ace when the skin attach itself to the muscle in the attractive way you see in a magazine where the girl take a look and pondering why her man doesnt look even remotely close to it,, it is combo of THICKNESS AND! CONDITION which is considered shreded to ripped depending on the time you been on trenbolona ace,, the longer you are on it the more invinsible you come condition wize and the more lean size you pack on you ,, and! the more impressive you look even when weight on scale come to a stop because even then! bodyfat continue to go down ,, ALL WITH ZERO CARDIO!

3. insulina,, with out insulina you will never create a mutation on a larger fella,, a 5'8+ fella with no insulina in blood will never create mutatition ,, he will never be able to poses the 240lb+ on stage you see now day ,,insulina in today bodybuild and with deep pain i say this...is a mustyou just wont get to 240 you will be 210 with out insulina

4. testosterona,, it has to be there at some dose prefebly cycling depending on prep timing or not,, testosterona is a hormone to THICKEN an already lean physiqe,, it also keep stamina and keep your MOOD at the right place,, it can **** up condition when abused especialy when prep and especialy! when not done according to your lean muscle ,, a 200lb 5'9 fella do not prep on 1 gram testosterona for show! the end,, again testosterona is important and need to be taken sometime in higher doses to grow but it is ONLY when you have high hgh in blood ,, testosterona intake shoudl be paralel line to hgh intake ,, if you cant aford hgh or dont have it ...the testosterona doses should go DOWN

5. equipona ,, as important as testosterona ,, but testosterona is rated higher because it has medical application and it is the main hormone in all human body,, equipona is second best anabolic for bodybuild,, it grow you from the inside out slowly,, it cupp your delt very nice and it add polish to your look that only a bodyhbuild can see and recognize,, it is again attractive skin look that is wraped around muscle almost like a vaccum,, for final vaccum trenbolona and then diuretic are introduced

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Re: Drugs are just the finishing touch!!
« Reply #99 on: March 02, 2016, 03:27:46 AM »
His body will probably suffer when he turns 50/55. For now he does not care.



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