The real golden age of bodybuilding.

[Never1AShow]

Another really stupid post from you, and you dare to call someone else a moron? You think B12 and steroids are any kind of equivalency? You know what Steve Reeves did or would have done? Are you psychic? Does he communicate with you through a Ouija Board?

Steve Reeves always denied using drugs, and campaigned against drug use. No one accused him of using drugs, until after he died, when he couldn't protect himself, by suing the lying scumbags for slander and defamation of character.

You have zero proof that Steve Reeves used Steroids. Until you can post proof, STFU Moron!

Look it is NOT natural.  How is injectable B12 made?  In a lab?  It ain't squeezed from a piece of liver.  So he is not natural.  He admittedly used what was available.  I think test and other stuff was available then.  The top level in any sport has access.  I have as much proof he did as you do that he didn't.  His denials are worth the same as Craig Titus'.

[ritch]

Still waiting for objective proof that Reeves used steroids.

Your definition of "objective" is picky and then some. Basically, you're calling all the people sourced as liars. Would love to see you say that to their faces and the conversations that would follow.

[ritch]

Look it is NOT natural.  How is injectable B12 made?  In a lab?  It ain't squeezed from a piece of liver.  So he is not natural.  He admittedly used what was available.  I think test and other stuff was available then.  The top level in any sport has access.  I have as much proof he did as you do that he didn't.  His denials are worth the same as Craig Titus'.

This is what it comes down to.
Let the fan boys be fan boys...

[ritch]

No name calling needed. I'm simply waiting for the objective  evidence they provided for you to substantiate your claim.
Pretty simple.

OK, then, what would be proof to you, huh??? Tell me, what would please your ever so picky self to say it's proof???

Admit it, nothing will, so let's just leave it at that.

(Insert horse being beat the fuck to death over and over....)

[Erik C]

Look it is NOT natural.  How is injectable B12 made?  In a lab?  It ain't squeezed from a piece of liver.  So he is not natural.  He admittedly used what was available.  I think test and other stuff was available then.  The top level in any sport has access.  I have as much proof he did as you do that he didn't.  His denials are worth the same as Craig Titus'.

You're a major AssHole! What test was available then, was only used to treat old guys who couldn't get it up any more. And the raw test was dangerous. Getting it up wasn't one of Steve Reeves problems. The idea that it could be used for body building came way later, after the Russians started using it for Olympic lifting. The earliest use for bodybuilding in USA was by Bob Hoffman's crew in PA, in the late 1950s. So you think wrong, or not at all, you moron.

[ritch]

Look ritch, I'm not trying to bust your balls and anyone can post any rumor they desire on this forum.

BUT, forums like this are full of anonymous cranks posting shit they just pulled out their ass.
 
With a man of Reeves status it would be nice to see some objective proof instead of the typical unverified rumors.

Thanks for understanding my concern, ok?

I think you just see him as the "all American" who could do no harm whatsover. The stuff was available back then, any champion at that level would use if presented the stuff.

Hard to believe you're so blind not to see this.

Peace.

Again, what is objective proof, if you can even define this.

[ritch]

Look... It's not like we're making up some lame ass fake rumour like he had sex with a donkey, pulled out, then came on some dude's face for $$$

What we are saying is he lived the life of a bodybuilder and that life includes doing EVERYTHING available to be the best you can be.

I know this is starting to make sense to you know, just very hard for you to admit this after thinking your whole life he was clean.

[ritch]

Ok here's a couple good examples of credible proof:

1. Statement of a doc ( by name) that treated him with testosterone back in the day.
 
2. Mail order records from  a pharmaceutical company sent to his address.

By the way, I actually met and spoke with Steve Reeves when I was an AAU national judge at the Mr America.
He only came out to the show because they started drug testing  the event in the mid 90's.
MD magazine did a few features on this and the drug testing debacle that ended the America contest.

Granted that's not absolute proof Reeves didn't use drugs, but  I did meet the man before he died and he was very adamant about his anti-steroid position.

Like the Doc would talk about such stuff, you're being totally unreasonable and you know it.

Mail order records? Good luck with that. I needed proof of residency lately and anything past 10 years is not to be found. Good luck with finding shit from that era.

More posts have lead to prooving this than not prooving it.

[Erik C]

Again, what is objective proof, if you can even define this.

Objective proof is facts. You haven't even supplied any subjective proof! All you and the other jerkoff, Never1, supplied, were unsubstantiated rumors based on your inferiority to, and jealousy of Steve Reeves.

[ritch]

Sorry ritch , IF you want to slander a legend like Steve Reeves you should have some evidence to back your claims.
Do you really think your claims about Reeves drug use would hold up in a court of law in front of a judge?

Could it be disproved in court?
Question makes as much sense as yours...

[Erik C]

Could it be disproved in court?
Question makes as much sense as yours...

Hey Dipshit, the burden of proof is on the accuser. That would be you. If you can't prove what you are saying, then it didn't happen! Now do you understand how the real world of evidence works for grown ups and the mentally competent?

[Coach is Back!]

Bodybuilding was much better when there was no insulin and actual training.

[ritch]

huh?

Let me break it down for you:

 If you accuse  him of something , you then have to prove he did it.
That's how the legal system works .

So this is the legal system now? Ok Howie...

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

What's the name of these 20 anabolic steroids?  Dianabol was the first anabolic steroid. Estrogen and cortisone is also a steroid but it has nothing to do with bodybuilding.

Dianabol was created because the Russians were using straight testosterone with great success in Olympic lifting. The problems started coming in the form of an enlarged prostate. It got so bad they had to use a catheter to urinate. Dianabol was made to make testosterone more anabolic and less androgenic in light of the horrible side effects the Russians had.

Prior to dianabol what was available was straight testosterone. I seriously doubt bodybuilders knew about it. Dianabol was known because of all the York Olympic lifters being on it. Where does a bodybuilder in the 40's and 50's know about using a syringe and vial for testosterone knowing it increases muscle? I know a comic book ad for testosterone was around in the early years but what proof is that it was used by bodybuilders?

Most guys that say every single bodybuilding star was using is to justify their own use to look good in a tight shirt. It's rationalization. It's the small child that screams inside them that needs others to praise them as a man so they will risk health injecting stuff made in China and put in counterfeit packaging.  Sure little boy. Everyone who is in shape or has some muscles from lifting weight is using because you look like crap without it. Okay, I'll buy that.  

Over on the old Ironage website around 5 years ago a chemistry student researched the patent date of every steroid product launched worldwide between 1945 and 1955 . There were hundreds of them . Dianabol itself was patented in 1945.


Organon (Oss, Netherlands), Ciba (Basel, Switzerland) Syntex (Mexico) and Schering (Berlin, Germany) were the four pharmaceutical companies that controlled the early development of steroids.
The early method of extracting testosterone from bull testicles was quite expensive. Schering and Ciba independently discovered new, less expensive methods of synthesizing testosterone in August 1935. The chemical synthesis of testosterone from cholesterol was achieved in August that year by Butenandt and Hanisch.
The 1939 Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to German Adolf Butenandt (Schering) and Croatian Leopold Ružička (Ciba) for this reasearch.
In addition to their work on testosterone synthesis, Ružička and his international research team were the first to synthesize methyltestosterone and androstenedione.

Clinical trials on humans, involving either oral doses of methyltestosterone or injections of testosterone propionate, began as early as 1937
( Hoberman JM, Yesalis CE (1995). "The history of synthetic testosterone". Scientific American )

Some argue that in some instances athletes pre 50’s were given "supplements" or compounds that did, indeed, contain testosterone or steroids. Sometimes they were aware of what they were taking, and sometimes they were not. Sometimes they knew them as and called them "B-12 shots."

I find this shit very interesting. Pity the Ironage site went private and then vanished because the writing of the research of that Chemistry chap were eye opening to say the least.

[devilsmile]

I liked the era prior to Arnold. Many of those dudes did beach wrestling, gymnastics and strongman stuff with bodybuilding. Their muscles didn't have that balloon look as todays pros and they were taller and much stronger. Not saying every one of them were tall, but just sayng, they could be considered athletes.

[Donny]

Over on the old Ironage website around 5 years ago a chemistry student researched the patent date of every steroid product launched worldwide between 1945 and 1955 . There were hundreds of them . Dianabol itself was patented in 1945.


Organon (Oss, Netherlands), Ciba (Basel, Switzerland) Syntex (Mexico) and Schering (Berlin, Germany) were the four pharmaceutical companies that controlled the early development of steroids.
The early method of extracting testosterone from bull testicles was quite expensive. Schering and Ciba independently discovered new, less expensive methods of synthesizing testosterone in August 1935. The chemical synthesis of testosterone from cholesterol was achieved in August that year by Butenandt and Hanisch.
The 1939 Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to German Adolf Butenandt (Schering) and Croatian Leopold Ružička (Ciba) for this reasearch.
In addition to their work on testosterone synthesis, Ružička and his international research team were the first to synthesize methyltestosterone and androstenedione.

Clinical trials on humans, involving either oral doses of methyltestosterone or injections of testosterone propionate, began as early as 1937
( Hoberman JM, Yesalis CE (1995). "The history of synthetic testosterone". Scientific American )

Some argue that in some instances athletes pre 50’s were given "supplements" or compounds that did, indeed, contain testosterone or steroids. Sometimes they were aware of what they were taking, and sometimes they were not. Sometimes they knew them as and called them "B-12 shots."

I find this shit very interesting. Pity the Ironage site went private and then vanished because the writing of the research of that Chemistry chap were eye opening to say the least.

talking of Iron Age i see it´s up and running again with 50 or so members...

[BIG AL MCKECHNIE]

talking of Iron Age i see it´s up and running again with 50 or so members...

Really? Is it the old site risen from the dead or a new version like Glasgow Rangers Light  ?


 

[Donny]

Really? Is it the old site risen from the dead or a new version like Glasgow Rangers Light  ?


 

a slightly new version...  IronAge online i believe it´s called now.  still a bunch of cocks 

[ritch]

Ok ritch, you posted a story about how some people that knew Reeves , claimed he used steroids.
I didn't buy it along with some others here.

This isn't a legal court of law and a fun , semi- bodybuilding forum.

At the end of this debate, nothing changed.
I didn't find your story very convincing and you'll  just have to accept that

boys will be boys.
Fan boys that is!
 

[ritch]

Of course when someone doesn't believe your story, you have to ridicule them.

That's not helping to make your point.

The points have been proven, your fan boy blind folds keep you in the dark.

Speaking of points... If you have one, by all means...

[NarcissisticDeity]

The points have been proven, your fan boy blind folds keep you in the dark.

Speaking of points... If you have one, by all means...

You've ' proven ' nothing , you're not even a good troll 

Keep trying though 

[ritch]

You've ' proven ' nothing , you're not even a good troll 

Keep trying though 

who is this gimmick account replying here?
Fuck off man.

[falco]

Case closed.

[Thespritz0]

Can someone tell this guy he ain't gonna win the #1 show with this hairstyle???

[HTexan]

Can someone tell this guy he ain't gonna win the #1 show with this hairstyle???

never going to be Mr. O because of homophobic schmoes
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