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US Economy: It Could Be Worse, Just Look Abroad
« on: February 11, 2015, 09:26:27 AM »
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US Economy: It Could Be Worse, Just Look Abroad

Posted by: Motif Investing  on February 11, 2015 in Motif Spotlight

As a recent Associated Press article noted, China is slowing as it transitions from investment to consumption, Japan has slid into a recession, Russia appears headed for one, and Europe is barely growing.2
Meanwhile, even with a slowing fourth quarter, the US economy is still expected to grow 3.1% in 2015, according to a survey by the National Association for Business Economics cited by the AP.

Plunging oil prices have helped the optimism, as they’ve fallen by about 50% since the summer. The drop, along with more fuel-efficient cars, will save the average US household $550 on gas next year, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the AP said. That means more money to spend on items like cars, furniture and appliances.

It’s also possible that a strengthening US economy could even hinder growth overseas. The AP said that faster growth will likely lead the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates in 2015, which could draw more investment from overseas. The inflow of capital would raise the dollar’s value and potentially cause destabilizing drops in other currencies. Governments and businesses overseas that borrowed in dollars would find it harder to repay those debts.

The AP said that the hot economies of the last decade – the emerging markets of Brazil, Russia, India and China collectively known as the BRICs – will likely grow in 2015 at their slowest pace in six years, according to Oxford Economics, a forecasting firm. Falling oil and commodity prices have smacked Brazil and Russia particularly hard.

While China may expand 6.5% or more, that’s a far cry from the nearly double-digit growth it enjoyed for decades, the AP said. Europe and Japan will be lucky to expand even 1%.

The AP suggested that the gap between the US and the rest of the world reflects a fundamental trait of our economy: It’s more insulated from the rest of the world’s ups and downs than other major economies are. Exports account for just 14% of U.S. output, the smallest share among the 34 mostly rich members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

The AP even pointed to one US company largely protected from overseas trends: Globe Specialty Metals, a Miami-based producer of silicon metals, draws 90% of its revenue from North America. Its silicon is added to aluminum and rubber parts used in cars, and robust auto sales have boosted the company’s revenue.

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Re: US Economy: It Could Be Worse, Just Look Abroad
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2015, 09:32:55 AM »
Not it could be worse, It is worse than it is but luckily our gov can print cash at will and run up its debt to bandaid the situation.

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Re: US Economy: It Could Be Worse, Just Look Abroad
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 09:35:04 AM »
Not it could be worse, It is worse than it is but luckily our gov can print cash at will and run up its debt to bandaid the situation.

White devil, you ain't making no sense.

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 09:35:49 AM »
White devil, you ain't making no sense.

The biggest threat is the threat you aren't aware of.

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Re: US Economy: It Could Be Worse, Just Look Abroad
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 09:41:49 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 09:43:13 AM »
The biggest threat is the threat you aren't aware of.

Indeed.

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Re: US Economy: It Could Be Worse, Just Look Abroad
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 09:49:00 AM »
Not it could be worse, It is worse than it is but luckily our gov can print cash at will and run up its debt to bandaid the situation.

This is the truth.  The United States can only defer the inevitable for long until the bill comes due.
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2015, 09:50:46 AM »
Not it could be worse, It is worse than it is but luckily our gov can print cash at will and run up its debt to bandaid the situation.

Yep
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2015, 09:54:51 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2015, 04:42:07 PM »
Laugh when you look at the historical highest tax rates over the years...Can you even fathom paying a tax rate of 94% during WW2?


 

Year   Top Marginal Rate   War?
1913   7.0%   
1914   7.0%   
1915   7.0%   
1916   15.0%   
1917   67.0%   WWI
1918   77.0%   WWI
1919   73.0%   
1920   73.0%   
1921   73.0%   
1922   56.0%   
1923   56.0%   
1924   46.0%   
1925   25.0%   
1926   25.0%   
1927   25.0%   
1928   25.0%   
1929   24.0%   
1930   25.0%   
1931   25.0%   
1932   63.0%   
1933   63.0%   
1934   63.0%   
1935   63.0%   
1936   79.0%   
1937   79.0%   
1938   79.0%   
1939   79.0%   
1940   81.10%   
1941   81.00%   WWI
1942   88.00%   WWII
1943   88.00%   WWII
1944   94.00%   WWII
1945   94.00%   WWII
1946   86.45%   
1947   86.45%   
1948   82.13%   
1949   82.13%   
1950   91.00%   Korea
1951   91.00%   Korea
1952   92.00%   Korea
1953   92.00%   Korea
1954   91.00%   
1955   91.00%   
1956   91.00%   
1957   91.00%   
1958   91.00%   
1959   91.00%   
1960   91.00%   
1961   91.00%   
1962   91.00%   
1963   91.00%   
1964   77.00%   Vietnam
1965   70.00%   Vietnam
1966   70.00%   Vietnam
1967   70.00%   Vietnam
1968   75.25%   Vietnam
1969   77.00%   Vietnam
1970   71.75%   Vietnam
1971   70.00%   Vietnam
1972   70.00%   Vietnam
1973   70.00%   Vietnam
1974   70.00%   Vietnam
1975   70.00%   Vietnam
1976   70.00%   
1977   70.00%   
1978   70.00%   
1979   70.00%   
1980   70.00%   
1981   69.13%   
1982   50.00%   
1983   50.00%   
1984   50.00%   
1985   50.00%   
1986   50.00%   
1987   38.50%   
1988   28.00%   
1989   28.00%   
1990   31.00%   Persian Gulf
1991   31.00%   Persian Gulf
1992   31.00%   
1993   39.60%   
1994   39.60%   
1995   39.60%   
1996   39.60%   
1997   39.60%   
1998   39.60%   
1999   39.60%   
2000   39.60%   
2001   38.60%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror
2002   38.60%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror
2003   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2004   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2005   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2006   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2007   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2008   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2009   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2010   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2011   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq, Libya

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Re: US Economy: It Could Be Worse, Just Look Abroad
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2015, 04:45:15 PM »
From 1936 to 1980, the highest tax rate never went below 70%. There are people crying over paying 30%-or 35%, or what it is now 39%. From 1941 to 1963 the tax rate never went under 80%. lol

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2015, 04:51:27 PM »
94% tax rate?  I never knew that. So you're basically working for free if you were the average man. I gotta find some books of recounts during that time.
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2015, 04:53:16 PM »
94% tax rate?  I never knew that. So you're basically working for free if you were the average man. I gotta find some books of recounts during that time.


That is the high tax rate for the rich. When you hear people in the bracket bitch about taxes, just know how bad it was for them not so long ago. They have it made now. Back then there weren't many in the high tax bracket. So although they paid a shitload of taxes, they were building dynasty's for their bloodlines...

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2015, 05:01:46 PM »
Whoever hoards the most Gold wins in the end...

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2015, 05:06:23 PM »
Whoever hoards the most Gold wins in the end...

Gold won't fill the belly.  Gold only has value in a commerce system.  It's useless in a barter economy or when people are lacking the basics.
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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2015, 05:54:35 PM »
AMERICA

F%@K YEAH



1. 46 million on food stamps
2. Lowest labor participation rate since 1977
3. Over $18 Trillion in debt
4. 50% of the American population on some form of social assistance
5. Increasing number of countries dropping the dollar for international trade

What a recovery!

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2015, 05:57:18 PM »
Gold won't fill the belly.  Gold only has value in a commerce system.  It's useless in a barter economy or when people are lacking the basics.

Gold is money.  Always has been, always will be.

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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2015, 06:43:09 PM »
Gold won't fill the belly.  Gold only has value in a commerce system.  It's useless in a barter economy or when people are lacking the basics.
Wrong gold has always be precious. No matter how fucked up the world gets, there is always going to be wealthy people on top wanting gold.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2015, 11:58:14 PM »
Wrong gold has always be precious. No matter how fucked up the world gets, there is always going to be wealthy people on top wanting gold.

That might be true once a system of commerce is established  but initially people will deal in goods.  Someone who has basic goods will be more important than someone sitting on a pile of gold.
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2015, 12:13:16 AM »
Wrong gold has always be precious. No matter how fucked up the world gets, there is always going to be wealthy people on top wanting gold.

Heck yeah!  Nice 1.5% rate of return over the last 35 years!  ::)

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« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2015, 12:43:35 AM »
Yep

In Liberia*, everything is just "fine"  ;D

*Land of ex American slaves  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2015, 04:01:37 AM »
That might be true once a system of commerce is established  but initially people will deal in goods.  Someone who has basic goods will be more important than someone sitting on a pile of gold.

Why would you assume that those with gold would not have both? 

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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2015, 04:14:56 AM »
Pretty infuriating what has become of America. Some parts will always be fine though.
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« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2015, 04:21:17 AM »
1. 46 million on food stamps
2. Lowest labor participation rate since 1977
3. Over $18 Trillion in debt
4. 50% of the American population on some form of social assistance
5. Increasing number of countries dropping the dollar for international trade

What a recovery!

The top 1% received the bailout.   The working class did not.  For the mass of people, there is no recovery.  Instead we get austerity.  Had we engaged in higher deficit spending instead of austerity, we would have been much better off.  U.S. Economic policy since the collapse of Lehman has been an astonishing and horrifying failure.

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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2015, 07:07:29 AM »
Laugh when you look at the historical highest tax rates over the years...Can you even fathom paying a tax rate of 94% during WW2?


 

Year   Top Marginal Rate   War?
1913   7.0%   
1914   7.0%   
1915   7.0%   
1916   15.0%   
1917   67.0%   WWI
1918   77.0%   WWI
1919   73.0%   
1920   73.0%   
1921   73.0%   
1922   56.0%   
1923   56.0%   
1924   46.0%   
1925   25.0%   
1926   25.0%   
1927   25.0%   
1928   25.0%   
1929   24.0%   
1930   25.0%   
1931   25.0%   
1932   63.0%   
1933   63.0%   
1934   63.0%   
1935   63.0%   
1936   79.0%   
1937   79.0%   
1938   79.0%   
1939   79.0%   
1940   81.10%   
1941   81.00%   WWI
1942   88.00%   WWII
1943   88.00%   WWII
1944   94.00%   WWII
1945   94.00%   WWII
1946   86.45%   
1947   86.45%   
1948   82.13%   
1949   82.13%   
1950   91.00%   Korea
1951   91.00%   Korea
1952   92.00%   Korea
1953   92.00%   Korea
1954   91.00%   
1955   91.00%   
1956   91.00%   
1957   91.00%   
1958   91.00%   
1959   91.00%   
1960   91.00%   
1961   91.00%   
1962   91.00%   
1963   91.00%   
1964   77.00%   Vietnam
1965   70.00%   Vietnam
1966   70.00%   Vietnam
1967   70.00%   Vietnam
1968   75.25%   Vietnam
1969   77.00%   Vietnam
1970   71.75%   Vietnam
1971   70.00%   Vietnam
1972   70.00%   Vietnam
1973   70.00%   Vietnam
1974   70.00%   Vietnam
1975   70.00%   Vietnam
1976   70.00%   
1977   70.00%   
1978   70.00%   
1979   70.00%   
1980   70.00%   
1981   69.13%   
1982   50.00%   
1983   50.00%   
1984   50.00%   
1985   50.00%   
1986   50.00%   
1987   38.50%   
1988   28.00%   
1989   28.00%   
1990   31.00%   Persian Gulf
1991   31.00%   Persian Gulf
1992   31.00%   
1993   39.60%   
1994   39.60%   
1995   39.60%   
1996   39.60%   
1997   39.60%   
1998   39.60%   
1999   39.60%   
2000   39.60%   
2001   38.60%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror
2002   38.60%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror
2003   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2004   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2005   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2006   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2007   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2008   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2009   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2010   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq
2011   35.00%   Afghanistan, Global War on Terror, Iraq, Libya

Really? You used abigailcfield as your source for this propaganda? I see the left Obama supporting network CBS is also spreading this nonsense. Talk about how to deceive. This propaganda is used for the purpose of supporting Obama's long held believe the taxes should be raised on the rich and that there are enough rich to tax to make a difference. The tax rate actually started at 10% during World War II. People making over 200K were taxed heavily. 200K back then is the equivalent of making 2.2 million dollars today. 200K people paid 88%. The crazy top tax on that chart was for less than .01% of the population.

Today most have state taxes, consumer taxes, fuel taxes, real estate taxes, and just about any possible thing you can think of.


What needs to be done is a flat tax for all incomes with no exemptions or write offs. Say 28% if you make 10K and 28% if you make a billion. The revenue going to Washington would go through the roof while the amount of taxes for many of the middle class would go down. It's just that people are just to stupid to understand this. They come up with idiotic reasons like I can't write off the interest of my house and claim my kids?  People have to see their tax returns now and with the flat tax percentage for them to get it.

On a side note the filthy rich everywhere have legal scams to avoid paying taxes. How many celebrities have charity foundations? Maybe all of them. Do you know why? They donate a lot of their money to their charity then it's tax free. As the head of their charity they can be or appoint an administrator who can draw a salary. Collecting a salary from your own tax free money sounds like a win win. No body watches what percentage of money actually makes it to charity. They can say 75% or more when into administration, advertising, and other costs such as travel expenses promoting it. Another scam is declaring their mansion and the land that it's on as farm property to avoid paying real worth real estate taxes on it. They do crap like have bee farms, horses or some other stuff they sell from their property to meet the very low money quantity to qualify as farm land. I could go on about the money game the wealthy do avoid taxes but that's just two examples.

 There should be a flat tax regardless of income. It will never happen because the rich would go berserk contacting their connections and the stupid would complain about their write off.  Can you imagine the owners and CEO of CBS, NBC, ABC and the rest would have story after story why a flat tax is a bad idea leading the sheep who watch. The real reason is that they couldn't hide their money.