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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2015, 09:55:46 AM »
this was a HUGE move by democrats.   Adding 5 million poor criminals to the USA... and they can vote!

Does anyone really believe most won't vote Dem?   Obama just won a HUGE pile of votes for the 2016 dem candidate/congress.  And repubs didn't want to impeach his ass, and worse - the new 1.1 trillion dollar Reid/Boehnner Budget was EXACTLY what paid for amnesty to be enacted. 

Dems are suddenly in this incredible shape for the general election in 2016 thanks to amnesty, lots of new (D) voters.

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« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2015, 09:56:35 AM »
I was say immigration is going to happen by why not reform it to benefit the U.S. and bring in those who are educated and skilled never did I say immigration reform will fix this country. But it is a small part of a large puzzle needed to get everthing on the right track

I totally agree. We don't have the manufacturing base to accommodate the mass immigration of low skilled workers. We don't have the manufacturing base for our own citizens.  
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« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2015, 09:56:45 AM »
Get your eyes checked.

Then please post somthing to the opposite. The facts are the middle class is shrinking at a very fast rate. Yet those in the low income is growing and so is their dependency on the government. So what happens if you have a nation of people who are poor and dependent on the government? The goverment then has way more power over the people.

Your going to tell me that if that continues for 50 years your going to have a society closer to capitalism or socialism    

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« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2015, 09:59:02 AM »
I totally agree. We don't have the manufacturing base to accommodate the mass immigration of low skilled workers. We don't have the manufacturing base for our own citizens.  

No we are not China, the U.S. main export is technology which is why we are a power house and requires a high level of education to be productive in. We don't have a infrastructure that supports exporting ton of material like China does that requires no education like stamping steal or make a shoe  

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« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2015, 10:01:05 AM »
this was a HUGE move by democrats.   Adding 5 million poor criminals to the USA... and they can vote!

Does anyone really believe most won't vote Dem?   Obama just won a HUGE pile of votes for the 2016 dem candidate/congress.  And repubs didn't want to impeach his ass, and worse - the new 1.1 trillion dollar Reid/Boehnner Budget was EXACTLY what paid for amnesty to be enacted. 

Dems are suddenly in this incredible shape for the general election in 2016 thanks to amnesty, lots of new (D) voters.

Hit the nail on the head 240. It's really sad when you think about it

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« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2015, 10:03:03 AM »
The end results of making millions of poor uneducated and unskilled illegals legal will be an increase in the dependency class. More people on the bottom who consume more in benefits than pay in.   Immigration is problematic in a welfare state.
when you re rich, it s not your problem, it s the middle and low classes problem. When you re rich, middle and low social classes problems are actually good things for you as it means they ll be prepared to do more for less in return because the competition between them for daily survival has increased, which means you ll be able to lower salaries and make even bigger profits. That's just the way it is. It s the law of nature, the law of the strongest. You re only worth what you can bring or cant.

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« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2015, 10:04:38 AM »
I was say immigration is going to happen by why not reform it to benefit the U.S. and bring in those who are educated and skilled never did I say immigration reform will fix this country. But it is a small part of a large puzzle needed to get everthing on the right track

No.  Have you heard the saying "give one inch..." or "slippery slope"... or "take one step..."

That's how we got into this mess to begin with.  Can't you see that?

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« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2015, 10:05:10 AM »
And that's exactly what's happened.  The more people dependent on government the more power government has. I don't know how anyone can look at the developments in the western nations without concern.  Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I often wonder what exactly the ultimate goal is. Some of the smarter of that bunch must realize the system can't sustain itself.  Are we really seeing the implementation of the Cloward-Piven strategy.
there is no conspiracy, or global will, things just happen that way , benefit to some , worsen for others, that's just life, it's random. Life is a giant free for all, and the sum of every single individual on this planet, creates the global system we re living in. The only constant rule is that the strongest/most able to adapt, survives. Wether you inherit this strenght or earn it, or both, is entirely due to pure randomness, "luck".

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« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2015, 10:05:24 AM »
No we are not China, the U.S. main export is technology which is why we are a power house and requires a high level of education to be productive in. We don't have a infrastructure that supports exporting ton of material like China does that requires no education to stamp steal or make a shoe  

Globalization proponents argued that as manufacturing in the United States decreased specialization would increase.  This is true to a degree but unfortunately we are now even outsourcing our technology.  Another problem is that when manufacturing decreased we were still left with a very large segment of the population who didn't and probably won't adapt to the change.  What happens to those people, the lower middle class and below?  They become dependent on the state.
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« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2015, 10:07:39 AM »
when you re rich, it s not your problem, it s the middle and low classes problem. When you re rich, middle and low social classes problems are actually good things for you as it means they ll be prepared to do more for less in return, which means you ll be able to lower salaries and make even bigger profits. That's just the way it is. It s the law of nature, the law of the strongest. You re only worth what you can bring or cant.

I understand that. Maybe I'm just a hopeless dreamer. Unlike liberals who say they actually believes in equality and spreading wealth but only do things to make that less possible

I believe in pulling those people up from the lower class to the middle class, strengthing them and the economy so everyone benefits.  Only why that happens is to stop blaming other for ever problem. Take accountability and put in work and effort to grow yourself through education and morals. Being a productive member of society

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« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2015, 10:10:46 AM »
A case of immigration needs to be explained with very few words.  If you can't do that, it is fraud.

A highly unusual situation in which someone's safety is in danger compared to the people around them, for political reasons, etc -- and even then it needs to be carefully examined while the person is in a neutral environment

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« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2015, 10:11:24 AM »
Globalization proponents argued that as manufacturing in the United States decreased specialization would increase.  This is true to a degree but unfortunately we are now even outsourcing our technology.  Another problem is that when manufacturing decreased we were still left with a very large segment of the population who didn't and probably won't adapt to the change.  What happens to those people, the lower middle class and below?  They become dependent on the state.

Yep there is nothing for them to do with there giving trade. It's a very tough pickle to figure out. Increase technology production and start opening manufacturing planets to produces that technology. But when you have China coping everthing and catching us in technology you will see a massive amount of tech production from China

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« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2015, 10:13:59 AM »
Hit the nail on the head 240. It's really sad when you think about it

we have getbiggers saying "obama fail"
NO, he succeeded in his amnesty goal, the democrat goal, and has created new voters.

we have getbiggers saying "obama is dumb"
NO, he has managed to shove many bills down our throats, he is creating more dem voters, and he's STILL popular in polls

we have getbiggers saying "obama is illegally born in kenya"
NO, they still don't want to impeach him for it, despite the huge constitutional issue (I think the birther issue has some merit)

we have getbiggers saying "Trump can save the republican party!"
NO, trump is an NBC employee making tens of millions, a lifetime liberal who recently converted, a total fraud that made the birther issue look stupid.


I could go on, but what's the point.  Repubs have ONE flaw which is costing them everything - they refuse to give obama/dems the credit for outsmarting them/achieving their goals.  They  keep saying "we're winning" and OBama fail... until they admit they're taking a whooping, they'll never change strategy.

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« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2015, 10:15:54 AM »
Globalization proponents argued that as manufacturing in the United States decreased specialization would increase.  This is true to a degree but unfortunately we are now even outsourcing our technology.  Another problem is that when manufacturing decreased we were still left with a very large segment of the population who didn't and probably won't adapt to the change.  What happens to those people, the lower middle class and below?  They become dependent on the state.

globalization happened.  No more "proponents", as it's over.  it happened, it's real and we can never go back.

Unless you want to pay people 25 cents an hour, the usa can NEVER be a manufacturing king again.  Sorry, cannot happen, just too many people willing to work 8 year olds for pennies in factories. 

The only ADAPT comes when 100 mil americans get tired of being poor and put down the ipad, pick up a biology book, a computer science book, etc... and they cure cancer, invent the next killer app, or develop NANO.  Until then, our bases keep us #1 but our people are living more and more poor.

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« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2015, 10:16:12 AM »
Americans cutting back on birth rates was at least in part to advancements, etc, that lowered individual opportunities.  It was like a collective conscience sort of thing, looking out for their children and grandchildren.  Now some assholes at the top of the supply chain come along to purposely destroy that.
I dont think the white man cuts back on birth rates because it wants to improve the life of the future generation, but it has more to do because he is deeply bored of life. The spiritual decline of occident is what led to its moral and psychological decline. People simply dont want kids anymore because they came to the conclusion life is not as great as it was portrayed to be by religions, mostly christianism and judaism. Now most people know there is no god, they realize life is just a random butchery between animals who are driven by the desire to dominate instead of being dominated. There s simply nothing else to "understand" about life. We re just here to kill instead of being killed. The myth of hapiness also have been debunked; killing makes one happy, not being able to kill or being killed makes one unhappy, as simple as that. Success is being able to dominate others and keep them in check, ie below your own social position. For someone to be happy, you always need someone else to be unhappy, as seeing someone else despair is what actually makes you feel happy (schadenfreude). This is the reality of our deep, inner animal condition. No one is innocent, there will never be a perfect world where is everyone is happy, simply because one 's despair is actually necessary to someone else hapiness. As a result there will always be happy (strong, dominant) and unhappy (dominated) people. It works the same in every single animal and vegetal specie, in all lifeforms.


It s no wonder that only the most uneducated, backward and ..religious people keep breeding, because their religions still tell them to kill "the enemy" and if they succeed they ll access power, money, and..."hapiness". But the white man knows better. He s been there, done that already. And he s tired of it. People actually need enemies to feel happy, have a cause to fight for, adversity, a reason to exist. We build our personalities mainly based on who we ve been conditionned to hate. If there s no cause to fight for, there s no reason to exist.

Once the white man has disapeared, thrid worlders and chinese will fight for ressources for centuries until chinese simply take over the whole fucking planet. But for the chinese to take over the world, the white man has to disapear first. Black africans and arab muslims are replacing whiteys in europe, latinos replacing whiteys in north america, asians replacing whiteys in australia, chinese are replacing whiteys in russia... stick a fork in the white race, it's dying.  But those who will replace us, will know the same fate as us once they abandon their religions too and fully realize they re just animals who can do nothing but kill instead of being killed until one day someone decides to end it all.

Life is cruel, and constantly generates inequality. Inequalities constantly  generates suffering. If you want to end inequalities and suffering you have to end life itself. The most peaceful and pure act of man would be to eradicate all life on earth if it wants eternal and constant peace on earth. This is what will probably happen one day anyway. The current decline of occident, the white man, which goes hand in hand with the decline of judeo christianism is only a step in the process of decay that's striking the human specie. Again mark my words, muslims chinese and latinos will inherit the planet and fight to death until its surface is completely ruined. Then survivors will live underground hoping to quit it for another earth like planet, but will destroy themselves before they get there.

We re just another product of evolution , an animal specie, that s trying to adapt until it cant anymore and will disapear if it doesnt evolve to become something else. The same shit probably happened, happens, and will happen everywhere in every solar system in the universe where there's sun and water. It's a process that in itself serves no purpose or meaning, it just is. It is absurd. We simply invent , create a meaning to it but as time passes, as we reverse engeener our thought process and body functions more and more precisely, we realize we are nothing but animals, robots, only guided by the lust for power, survival, blindly conditionned by our genes and educations.


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« Reply #65 on: February 17, 2015, 10:17:38 AM »
Getbig heavy hitters are out in this thread.

Navy Mike does not even know the difference between "their, "they're," and "there," yet he is discussing the complexity of economics and race relations.
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« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2015, 10:18:39 AM »
It sure looks like we are headed toward socialism.  People are in for a shock. Socialism promises a lot but seldom delivers. I'm afraid at this point it is impossible to turn this ship around. Western society is headed straight toward a very large iceberg with socialism written on it.
socialism, capitalism, communism...religion...p hilosophy....it's all bullshit, the real truth is we re all animals calculating how to fuck each others in the ass for limited ressources and partners of reproduction until one day we cant anymore. All animals, humans included, are only guided by one single desire, to access power, domination, fame. There will never be peace as long as there s life, because life intrinsically is, constant war between all life forms.

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« Reply #67 on: February 17, 2015, 10:19:00 AM »
globalization happened.  No more "proponents", as it's over.  it happened, it's real and we can never go back.

Unless you want to pay people 25 cents an hour, the usa can NEVER be a manufacturing king again.  Sorry, cannot happen, just too many people willing to work 8 year olds for pennies in factories. 

The only ADAPT comes when 100 mil americans get tired of being poor and put down the ipad, pick up a biology book, a computer science book, etc... and they cure cancer, invent the next killer app, or develop NANO.  Until then, our bases keep us #1 but our people are living more and more poor.

When I say proponents I mean those who advocated for it. These proponents predicted a particular outcome that hasn't quite come true. It's pretty clear that by arguing their predictions didn't come to pass as they saw it I am acknowledging it happened.
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« Reply #68 on: February 17, 2015, 10:20:35 AM »
My french friend in LV told me how new immigrant from ethiopia and somalia with brand new green card and herd of children are ruining his neighborhood.

She also told me how it's difficult for a french to got a green card, plus the trouble at the border if you enter and exit too much from USA with a basic visa. Every time she cross the border she fears to be repressed from usa.

If the green card was affordable, i will try.

But obviously usa need more an illiterate muslim hebrew than me.


it s all about geography; france and europe are flooded by africa and the middle east simply because they re close to them, just like north america is flooded by latinos cause they re close to central and south america. As simple as that.

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« Reply #69 on: February 17, 2015, 10:21:39 AM »
When I say proponents I mean those who advocated for it. These proponents predicted a particular outcome that hasn't quite come true. It's pretty clear that by arguing their predictions didn't come to pass as they saw it I am acknowledging it happened.

which predictions didn't come true?  I got an MBA back when globalization was all the rage, and most of it HAS come true.  I wrote paper after paper on it.   goods/services are trades seamlessly over borders and oceans.  countries that work hard are rewarded, middle class keeps shrinking, and everyone at the top keeps getting paid.  goods keep getting cheaper, countries keep getting smarter to adapt or die.  countries and individuals are using their comparative advantages very well, as predicted.

the outcomes they predicted seem to be coming true.  Which ones do you see they said would happen, that didn't happen?  

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« Reply #70 on: February 17, 2015, 10:24:54 AM »
I think people that need help should be given help.   
I think people should desire to help other people. 

US citizens could literally and collectively eradicate hunger and starvation both within their borders and the entire continent of Africa in less than a year if we so desired.

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« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2015, 10:27:01 AM »
i dont think the white man cuts back on birth rates because it wants to improve the life of the future generation, but it has more to do because he is deeply bored of life. The spiritual decline of occident is what led to its moral and psychological decline. People simply dont want kids anymore because they came to the conclusion life is not as great as it was portrayed to be by religions, mostly christianism and judaism. Now most people know there is no god, they realize life is just a random butchery between animals who are driven by the desire to dominate instead of being dominated. There s simply nothing else to "understand" about life. We re just here to kill instead of being killed. The myth of hapiness also have been debunked; killing makes one happy, not being able to kill or being killed makes one unhappy, as simple as that. Success is being able to dominate others and keep them in check, ie below your own social position.

It s no wonder that only the most uneducated, backward and ..religious people keep breeding, because their religions still tell them to kill "the enemey" and if they succeed they ll access power, money, and..."hapiness". But the white man knows better. He s been there, done that already. And he s tired of it.

Once the white man has disapeared, thrid worlders and chinese will fight for ressources for centuries until chinese simply take over the whole fucking planet. But for the chinese to take over the world, the white man has to disapear first. Black africans and arab muslims are replacing whiteys in europe, latinos replacing whiteys in north america, asians replacing whiteys in australia, chinese are replacing whiteys in russia... stick a fork in the white race, it's dying.  But those who will replace us, will know the same fate as us once they abandon their religions too and fully realize they re just animals who can do nothing but kill instead of being killed until one day someone decides to end it all.

Life is cruel, and constantly generates inequality. Inequalities generates constantly suffering. If you want to end inequalities and suffering you have to end life itself.



Maybe it was a "candle at both ends" kind of thing.  At the same time the cutting back was happening, the bankers' response started to take place, and the overall effect is what we're seeing -- for those reasons>/

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« Reply #72 on: February 17, 2015, 10:28:12 AM »
which predictions didn't come true?  I got an MBA back when globalization was all the rage, and most of it HAS come true.  I wrote paper after paper on it.   goods/services are trades seamlessly over borders and oceans.  countries that work hard are rewarded, middle class keeps shrinking, and everyone at the top keeps getting paid.  goods keep getting cheaper, countries keep getting smarter to adapt or die.  countries and individuals are using their comparative advantages very well, as predicted.

the outcomes they predicted seem to be coming true.  Which ones do you see they said would happen, that didn't happen?  
 

What did I say, Rob?  The industries our economy was going to transition to and what would have been our saving grace are fleeing the country.  Tech jobs are going.  More research and development is taking place over seas.  Even the service industry is outsourcing whatever jobs they can.
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« Reply #73 on: February 17, 2015, 10:29:29 AM »
I think people that need help should be given help.   
I think people should desire to help other people. 

US citizens could literally and collectively eradicate hunger and starvation both within their borders and the entire continent of Africa in less than a year if we so desired.

Whats your opinion of the topic?

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« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2015, 10:32:09 AM »
Getbig heavy hitters are out in this thread.

Navy Mike does not even know the difference between "their, "they're," and "there," yet he is discussing the complexity of economics and race relations.

He is clueless