Author Topic: Hi Fat Low Carb - When does the magic happen? (Read 21325 times)

Thong Maniac · « **on:** February 17, 2015, 04:38:20 PM »

Say u were eating 2600 kcals of brown rice, oats, meats, etc.

Switched to hi fat, low carb, mod protein of the same calorie amount of 2600...

Will you be looking much different after a month or so, or does it take a long time to see benefits in terms of leanness, etc

_aj_ · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:39:19 PM »

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Nails · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:40:21 PM »

i would say about the 6 year mark

Twaddle · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:41:33 PM »

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Thong Maniac · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:41:38 PM »

Quote from: Nails on February 17, 2015, 04:40:21 PM

i would say about the 6 year mark

Thats a long time. Probably be dead by then

evandatp · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:42:42 PM »

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Erik C · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:50:41 PM »

Quote from: Thong Maniac on February 17, 2015, 04:38:20 PM

Say u were eating 2600 kcals of brown rice, oats, meats, etc.

Switched to hi fat, low carb, mod protein of the same calorie amount of 2600...

Will you be looking much different after a month or so, or does it take a long time to see benefits in terms of leanness, etc

12 weeks is average, to see a change, as long as you're strict, no cheating, with the diet. It depends on how much fat you need to lose, and what you are doing physically. If you work out heavy, then 2600 calories may not be enough to maintain muscle mass, while you are losing the body fat.

Thong Maniac · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:51:07 PM »

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_aj_ · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:51:57 PM »

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The True Adonis. He'll be here shortly to splain to you that you're doing it all wrong.

Thong Maniac · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:52:35 PM »

Quote from: Erik C on February 17, 2015, 04:50:41 PM

12 weeks is average, to see a change, as long as you're strict, no cheating, with the diet. It depends on how much fat you need to lose, and what you are doing physically. If you work out heavy, then 2600 calories may not be enough to maintain muscle mass, while you are losing the body fat.

Thanks man, your theory on this stuff is interesting. I appreciate the insight

Obvious Gimmick · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:57:49 PM »

I'm thinking its a process, there is no specific date when you see the change. It happens everyday. When I diet down using keto, I notice it after 1 day. But I'm a walrus so Ive got a lot of fat to lose.

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2015, 05:24:45 PM »

Quote from: Thong Maniac on February 17, 2015, 04:38:20 PM

Say u were eating 2600 kcals of brown rice, oats, meats, etc.

Switched to hi fat, low carb, mod protein of the same calorie amount of 2600...

Will you be looking much different after a month or so, or does it take a long time to see benefits in terms of leanness, etc

Why would your body recruit fat from your fat cells when all that dietary fat is available?

Disgusted · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2015, 05:26:35 PM »

Define magic.

Thong Maniac · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2015, 05:36:29 PM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on February 17, 2015, 05:24:45 PM

Why would your body recruit fat from your fat cells when all that dietary fat is available?

Im trying to figure out a real hard definitive answer for this myself and i have no idea but its a great question

da_vinci · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2015, 06:05:28 PM »

It depends. I'm immune to obesity no matter what I eat and how much, so I can see a difference after 3-5days (seriously) after lowering cals just a little bit. My friend is not, and he needs two months of strict dieting to even notice something serious happening.

mazfit · « **Reply #15 on:** February 18, 2015, 03:30:35 AM »

the real question is

how much tren are you using ?

Thong Maniac · « **Reply #16 on:** February 18, 2015, 06:12:49 AM »

Quote from: da_vinci on February 17, 2015, 06:05:28 PM

It depends. I'm immune to obesity no matter what I eat and how much, so I can see a difference after 3-5days (seriously) after lowering cals just a little bit. My friend is not, and he needs two months of strict dieting to even notice something serious happening.

Your lucky dude. Thats awesome.

So im about 16-17 days into the anabolic esq diet. Fats are around 200-250 grams a day. Protein is less than 100 and carbs under 30 (realistically. Only coming from nuts and veggies and trace from cream or almond milk)

I feel harder, less anxiety, but no difference in the mirror yet.

Not on any tren. Just pharma test and adex.

LittleJ · « **Reply #17 on:** February 18, 2015, 07:26:56 AM »

Quote from: Disgusted on February 17, 2015, 05:26:35 PM

Define magic.

The magic starts to happen at 1G.

affeman · « **Reply #18 on:** February 18, 2015, 07:32:54 AM »

You'll drop a ton of water weight immedeately (within a few days). Without the carbs your body is unable to store subcutaneous water, and gets rid of it, so you should have a more "toned" look pretty shortly.

Grape Ape · « **Reply #19 on:** February 18, 2015, 07:36:30 AM »

Quote from: Erik C on February 17, 2015, 04:50:41 PM

12 weeks is average, to see a change, as long as you're strict, no cheating, with the diet. It depends on how much fat you need to lose, and what you are doing physically. If you work out heavy, then 2600 calories may not be enough to maintain muscle mass, while you are losing the body fat.

I've like the stuff you've posted, but if you lift weights, I don't see losing muscle on 2600 cals. Assuming natural lifting.

Thong Maniac · « **Reply #20 on:** February 18, 2015, 07:55:00 AM »

Quote from: affeman on February 18, 2015, 07:32:54 AM

You'll drop a ton of water weight immedeately (within a few days). Without the carbs your body is unable to store subcutaneous water, and gets rid of it, so you should have a more "toned" look pretty shortly.

I can see this somewhat, but its not something amazing. Id say maybe if u were lean you might notice it. Im probably 13-14 percent bf, so have not noticed any water loss although i probably did, just isnt seen by the naked eye for a fatty like me

Thong Maniac · « **Reply #21 on:** February 18, 2015, 07:56:50 AM »

Erik, when you say no cheating, does that mean 12 weeks with no carb day on weekend?
I know anabolic diet advocates 2 days of eating what u want, but that seems too much. Im probably just going to do one day, or friday night thru sat night.

Erik C · « **Reply #22 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:21:31 AM »

Quote from: Thong Maniac on February 18, 2015, 07:56:50 AM

Erik, when you say no cheating, does that mean 12 weeks with no carb day on weekend?
I know anabolic diet advocates 2 days of eating what u want, but that seems too much. Im probably just going to do one day, or friday night thru sat night.

No carb days at all! Eat carbs and you stop the ketosis process. No cheating means NO CHEATING!

Jizmo · « **Reply #23 on:** February 18, 2015, 08:38:39 AM »

Quote from: Thong Maniac on February 18, 2015, 06:12:49 AM

Your lucky dude. Thats awesome.

So im about 16-17 days into the anabolic esq diet. Fats are around 200-250 grams a day. Protein is less than 100 and carbs under 30 (realistically. Only coming from nuts and veggies and trace from cream or almond milk)

I feel harder, less anxiety, but no difference in the mirror yet.

Not on any tren. Just pharma test and adex.

for what purpose do you keep protein under 100g and fat over 200 lol
a "keto diet" is 2/3 fat 1/3 protein (from CALORIES not GRAMS)

200g fat 200g protein or so is perfect
that is about 70:30 in calories

why would you eat less than 100g of protein as someone who lifts weights... also much better in terms of satiety

Erik C · « **Reply #24 on:** February 18, 2015, 09:19:09 AM »

Quote from: Jizmo on February 18, 2015, 08:38:39 AM

for what purpose do you keep protein under 100g and fat over 200 lol
a "keto diet" is 2/3 fat 1/3 protein (from CALORIES not GRAMS)

200g fat 200g protein or so is perfect
that is about 70:30 in calories

why would you eat less than 100g of protein as someone who lifts weights... also much better in terms of satiety

I agree. Count the calories, not the grams. 100 grams of protein isn't enough to maintain muscle mass and all the other things that your body needs protein for, and won't come close for building new muscle tissue.