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Guiliani just saying what most of us already know.
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Giuliani: Obama influenced by communists since youth
NY POST ^ | February 21, 2015 | Carl Campanile and Geoff Earle
Posted on February 21, 2015 9:46:18 AM EST by COUNTrecount

Rudy Giuliani doubled down on his claims that President Obama doesn’t “love America” in an interview with The Post Friday — claiming the commander-in-chief has been influenced by communists since his youth.

“From the time he was 9 years old, he was influenced by Frank Marshall Davis, who was a communist,” Giuliani said. The ex-mayor added that Obama’s grandfather introduced him to Davis, a writer and labor activist.

Giuliani also said another bad influence on Obama was Saul Alinsky, a community organizer whom the ex-mayor called a “socialist.”

The man once called “America’s mayor’’ also sharply criticized the president for having been a member of a church led by radical Chicago Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

“He spent 17 years in the church of Jeremiah Wright, and this is the guy who said ‘God damn America, not God bless America,’ ’’ Giuliani said.

“Obama never left that church.”

Giuliani said Obama doesn’t measure up to past presidents.

“He doesn’t talk about America the way John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan did, about America’s greatness and exceptionalism,” said Giuliani.

“He was educated by people who were critics of the US. And he has not been able to overcome those influences.”

Giuliani also implied he was the only one with the chutzpah to call out Obama, saying: “Somebody has to raise these issues with the president. Somebody has to have the courage to stand up.”

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2015, 10:28:18 AM »
It's clear that Rudy Guiliani no longer has any political aspirations, and therefore he can tell the truth, about Obama and the democrats, from his position as a patriotic private citizen, and an American statesman. It's good to see that someone has the balls to say what he said. Potential Republican presidential candidates, please take note, that American is ready to proudly wave Old Glory again!

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2015, 10:33:26 AM »
Rudy Giuliani clarifies Obama comments by claiming the President has been influenced by...
New York Daily News ^ | February 20, 2015q | BY Celeste Katz
Posted on February 20, 2015 11:32:29 PM EST by Mariner

Trying to explain his controversial comments that President Obama doesn’t love America, Rudy Giuliani said Friday that he believes the President has been influenced by communism and socialism.

“Look, this man was brought up basically in a white family, so whatever he learned or didn’t learn, I attribute this more to the influence of communism and socialism” than to his race, Giuliani told the Daily News.

“I don’t (see) this President as being particularly a product of African-American society or something like that. He isn’t,” the former mayor added. “Logically, think about his background. . . The ideas that are troubling me and are leading to this come from communists with whom he associated when he was 9 years old” through family connections.

When Obama was 9, he was living in Indonesia with his mother and his stepfather. Giuliani said he was referencing Obama’s grandfather having introduced him to Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Communist Party.

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Re: Guiliani just saying what most of us already know.
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2015, 11:11:55 AM »
It's clear that Rudy Guiliani no longer has any political aspirations, and therefore he can tell the truth, about Obama and the democrats, from his position as a patriotic private citizen, and an American statesman. It's good to see that someone has the balls to say what he said. Potential Republican presidential candidates, please take note, that American is ready to proudly wave Old Glory again!

Bullshit. Obama and most libs hate America. Why else would they be more for socialism/Marxism and communism. Which why you support Obama's agendas and idologies.

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2015, 11:18:48 AM »
Giuliani is right in the most basic sense.  Obama comes from a school of political thought that despises the United States. Ask yourself, who are Obama's mentors and who has he spent his life associating with?  Beginning in his youth, Obama was immersed in far left ideology.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2015, 11:21:10 AM »
Remember when obama went on his world apology tour? 

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2015, 12:41:25 PM »
True to form, the left is resorting to lame moral equivalencies, collectivism, and playing the race card.

Those who live in glass houses...



I especially love the way they are trying to shame current Republican politicians into condemning him and what he said. To the left, he of course speaks for everyone with a "R" after their name. They cannot or will not understand that he's a retired private citizen merely expressing his personal opinion. To liberals, militants, and the other nutjobs, he's speaking for everyone white and Republican.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2015, 01:12:46 PM »
Bullshit. Obama and most libs hate America. Why else would they be more for socialism/Marxism and communism. Which why you support Obama's agendas and idologies.

Are you demented? Your reading comprehension is zero. I hate Obama.

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2015, 05:04:31 AM »
Was it fair for Giuliani to say Obama was influenced by Communists since his youth
The Obama File ^ | 2010 | Beckwith
Posted on February 22, 2015 5:24:25 AM EST by Beckwith

Let's say a man was elected to the highest office in the land who had been mentored, during his childhood, by an avowed communist who was identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (card number 47544) by the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii, accused by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) as being active in several communist-front organizations, and had a thick FBI file.

Let us further say that this man's guardian, his grandfather, had chosen this mentor for him, indicating that he was likely sympathetic to the mentor's beliefs.

Now, let us say that upon reaching college, this man gravitated toward Marxist professors and revolutionaries and attended the Socialist Scholars Conferences (SSC) at Cooper Union, that featured the elite of socialist academia as well as union activists, political revolutionaries, reformers, and opponents of "corporate greed."

After graduating from college, this man is tutored in the "agitation" techniques of a professional agitator, a former Jesuit priest, and a former ACLU director -- all dedicated socialists.

As a "community organizer, this man had an intimate and long-term association with ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), the largest radical group in America and the publishers of a communist manifesto entitled "ACORN's Peoples Platform" which would become this man's agenda.

While associated with ACORN, this man was a consultant and trainer to Project Vote, best know for its massive and flagrant election tampering.

Now, let's say this leader-to-be spent twenty years sitting in a black nationalist church, led by a leftist black nationalist preacher, who unabashedly preached a racist "black" gospel" based on the Marxist "Theology of Liberation" that "will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

The man's political career began in the living room of two communist domestic terrorists, where he was introduced to the cream of the local leftist community by his political mentor, who was a member of the U.S. Peace Council, which the FBI identified as a communist front group, an affiliate of the World Peace Council, a Soviet front group.

As part of his first run for state office, this man became a member of the New Party and sought their endorsement. The New Party's objective was to push forth the socialist principles of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).

The New Party required candidates who received the endorsement sign a pledge of support for the party that was, in effect, a front group for communists. The July issue of the New Ground noted that 15% of the New Party consisted of DSA members and a good number of members of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, a democratic socialist group in the United States which originated in 1991 as the Committees of Correspondence, a moderate, dissenting wing of the Communist Party USA.

This man also had close personal and political ties to many socialists and communists, including Timuel Black, Congressman Danny Davis, Carl Davidson, Marilyn Katz, Mike Klonsky, Saul Mendelson, Abner Mikva, Linda Rae Murray, Lou Pardo, Zach Pollet, Wade Rathke, Joel Rogers, Quentin Young, Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf, and DSA honorees Jackie Grimshaw, Jackie Kendall and Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, to name a few.

Now, when this man ran for national office, all of the above, which is really a snapshot of this man's activities and associations, was forgotten, ignored and buried by the media.

But once in high office this man appointed to his administration the likes of David Axelrod, Anita Dunn, Patrick Gaspard, Jeff Jones, Van Jones, Ron Bloom, Rosa Brooks, Carol Browner, Heather Higginbottom, Mark Lloyd, Hannah Rosenthal, Hilda Solis, and Cass Sunstein. -- all Marxists of one stripe or another -- and these are just some of the ones we know of.

So, here's the billion-dollar question:

What would be nuttier: to claim that this man was a life-long Marxist, or to claim that such an assertion is absurd?

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2015, 01:27:53 PM »
So funny how libfags are in stiches over this

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2015, 07:34:01 PM »
Guiliani is a right wing loser who is dying for some attention so he makes idiotic comments that he knows will be a dog whistle to right wing morons and get him a few days of attention

Now comes the inevitable backpedaling

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"My blunt language suggesting that the president doesn’t love America notwithstanding, I didn’t intend to question President Obama’s motives or the content of his heart," Giuliani wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. "My intended focus really was the effect his words and his actions have on the morale of the country, and how that effect may damage his performance."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/22/rudy-giuliani-obama-love_n_6732212.html

I'll let you idiots get back to your right wing circle jerk

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2015, 08:16:00 PM »
Guiliani is a right wing loser who is dying for some attention so he makes idiotic comments that he knows will be a dog whistle to right wing morons and get him a few days of attention

Now comes the inevitable backpedaling

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/22/rudy-giuliani-obama-love_n_6732212.html

I'll let you idiots get back to your right wing circle jerk

Where have you been? I've been waiting for some comic relief.

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2015, 04:40:44 AM »
Ranting About Rudy

Giuliani’s criticism of Obama has sparked fury—because it rings true.

22 February 2015

 
 
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Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani’s statement about President Obama’s lack of love for America has set off a firestorm of denunciation. Giuliani has been accused of racism, and he has even received death threats. Defenders of Obama have evoked everything from his grandfather’s (on his mother’s side) service in World War II to the two years Giuliani’s father served in Sing Sing to prove either that Obama does love America or that Giuliani has no standing to issue such criticism.

The ranting has obscured the reasons why so many Americans take Giuliani’s remarks to heart. Starting with his June 2009 speech in Cairo, when he apologized for American actions in the Middle East, Obama has consistently given credence to Islamic grievances against America while showing reluctance to confront Islamic terrorism. In 2009, after Major Nidal Hasan killed 13 American soldiers and wounded 40 others at Fort Hood while shouting “Allahu Akhbar,” the administration labeled the killings workplace violence. In recent months, the pace of evasions has quickened. Obama was the only major Western leader absent from the massive Paris march held in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo killings. Worse yet, Obama referred to the killings in a Jewish supermarket in Paris as “random” acts of violence.

But this was only the beginning of a string of curious comments and loopy locutions made by the president or his spokespeople in the weeks that followed. While ISIS rampaged across the Middle East, the president told a Washington prayer breakfast that Christians shouldn’t get on their “high horse,” because they were guilty of the Crusades, among other crimes. Not only were the Crusades many centuries past, but they were also a complicated matter in which both sides behaved barbarically. But more important, Obama’s comments reinforced the standard Muslim propaganda about how the jihad is merely defensive. Shortly thereafter, ISIS murdered 21 Coptic Christians in Libya (a country in complete chaos, thanks to an Obama-led Western intervention). The White House’s response was to condemn the killing, not of Christians but rather of “Egyptian citizens,” another evasive locution. The casual listener need not have knowledge of the White House’s associations with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt or the administration’s hostility toward the anti-jihadist regime in Cairo to find Obama’s words and behavior peculiar.

As one gaffe followed another and as the president and his spokespeople engaged in semantic somersaults to avoid mentioning Islam in regard to terror, public unease mounted. It was exacerbated by a three-day conference on combating “violent extremism,” the White House euphemism for Islamic terrorism. Here again, the public likely didn’t know that some of the invited guests had histories of supporting jihad. The president’s statements gave them enough to worry about.

Bizarrely, Obama presented himself as an expert on legitimate Islam. “This is not true Islam,” Obama said, referring to the ISIS creed, assuming again his role as Defender of the Islamic Faith. “Al Qaeda and ISIL and groups like it . . . try to portray themselves as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of Islam,” Obama said. “We must never accept the premise that they put forward, because it is a lie.” Operatives of al-Qaida and ISIS “are not religious leaders,” Obama insisted. “They’re terrorists.”

Listening to speakers at the conference—to which the FBI had not been invited—you would think that, if only American Muslims were treated better, ISIS would wither on the vine. “We in the administration and the government should give voice to the plight of Muslims living in this country and the discrimination that they face,” said Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson. “And so I personally have committed to speak out about the situation that very often people in the Muslim community in this country face.” The real issue, Johnson suggested, was not Islamic terrorism but Islamophobia. The casual listener might surmise that Johnson’s remarks had less to do with ISIS than with winning the 2016 Muslim vote in key states such as Michigan and Ohio.

At the same conference, Obama announced, or more accurately pronounced, that Islam “has been woven into the fabric of our country since its founding.” As one friend asked me: “What is he talking about?” America’s earliest encounter with Islam came in the form of seventeenth-century colonists purchasing slaves from Muslim slave traders in Africa. The next came when President Thomas Jefferson was forced to fight the Barbary Pirates. Surely, these weren’t the examples Obama had in mind.

In the midst of these attempts to achieve what a magician would call misdirection, State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf explained that, if there were only more jobs in the Middle East, ISIS would have a harder time recruiting. But then again, if there was less Islamic extremism, more jobs might be created. Harf referred to the “root causes” of terrorism much as liberal Democrats have long referred to the “root causes” of poverty, with about the same degree of insight.

With all the atrocities that the ISIS fanatics have committed, Obama’s anger has been more often directed not at them, but at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The animosity between the two men has never been a secret, but now, with Obama’s term in office waning, he is determined to cut a deal on the Iranian nuclear program on terms much to Tehran’s liking. Netanyahu is an obstacle to that goal.

All of this, then, was a backdrop to Giuliani’s remarks, in which he called out Obama for the president’s many rhetorical bluffs. If the former mayor’s words have created a firestorm, it’s because for many, they have helped make sense of Barack Obama’s words and actions. Attacking Giuliani, and trying to delegitimize him with the racist label, will do little to allay public anxieties about an administration short on competence but long on ideological evasion—and blessed with media allies.

Fred Siegel is the author of Prince of the City: Rudy Giuliani and the Genius of American Life (2005) An expanded paperback edition of his new book, The Revolt Against the Masses (Encounter Press), will be out in April.

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Re: Guiliani just saying what most of us already know.
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2015, 05:00:10 AM »
The left needs to stop crying like the limp wristed idiots that they are. They have a very bad memory. They forget how they constantly questioned the GOP's patriotism. So what is wrong with questioning the idiotinthewhitehouse's love for this country?

But what irks me the most is not the libtards, but Giuliani's backtracking. Giuliani is right. He shouldn't soften his stance now.

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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2015, 05:01:45 AM »
The left needs to stop crying like the limp wristed idiots that they are. They have a very bad memory. They forget how they constantly questioned the GOP's patriotism. So what is wrong with questioning the idiotinthewhitehouse's love for this country?

But what irks me the most is not the libtards, but Giuliani's backtracking. Giuliani is right. He shouldn't soften his stance now.


Remember when that Kenyan muslim pos called W unpatriotic?  Did the libfags ever call him out over that?

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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2015, 05:20:13 AM »

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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2015, 06:47:30 AM »
I don't think it's unfair to say that Obama doesn't love the United States. It's really a matter of political perspective not a character attack. Obama comes from the school of politics that dislikes the United States and rejects patriotism.  They reject the love of country because they don't consider themselves citizens of any particular nation but a citizen of the world. I said this before but look at Obama's influences and associations.  It's pretty clear that from Obama's associations that he has a negative view of the United States. Some of his criticism are fair and others are left-wing political pablum.
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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2015, 07:19:54 AM »
It's clear that Rudy Guiliani no longer has any political aspirations, and therefore he can tell the truth, about Obama and the democrats, from his position as a patriotic private citizen, and an American statesman. It's good to see that someone has the balls to say what he said. Potential Republican presidential candidates, please take note, that American is ready to proudly wave Old Glory again!

Agree 100%

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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2015, 07:20:40 AM »
Bullshit. Obama and most libs hate America. Why else would they be more for socialism/Marxism and communism. Which why you support Obama's agendas and idologies.

Did you read what Erik wrote  ???