Elderly Man Gets Tasered By Police

[emerald37]

In Key West Florida, a elderly man is ordered out of the vehicle with his hands up; only to get tasered:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhWy6Zht3mDa5kbQ3u

[rocco-x]

Didn't even have to watch this to already know I hate pigs.not all are bad but after having been one for 10yrs n have seen almost everything on the job I'm almost ashamed I ever aspired to become one.I've witnessed so called good cops plant drugs,weapons,anything to make an arrest.it was their way of administering their own brand of justice.they'd usually say "they've done worse before just never got caught so this'll just get them off the streets for a few years."

   Tasering wasn't that widespread when I was around,they'd just let off a few rounds into the suspect...most cops were nobodies in hs usually picked on.now they've got a gun,authority and the ability to set someone up for life if they so choose.

[emerald37]

Here's another video clip of an officer knocking down a elderly man and slapping him:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhW2iiIxGo74ZY2do6

This video was reported to the News about a Ft Lauderdale police officer assaulting a homeless man:

[thebrink]

In before all the badge lickers plea how the cops can do no wrong.

[illuminati]

Didn't even have to watch this to already know I hate pigs.not all are bad but after having been one for 10yrs n have seen almost everything on the job I'm almost ashamed I ever aspired to become one.I've witnessed so called good cops plant drugs,weapons,anything to make an arrest.it was their way of administering their own brand of justice.they'd usually say "they've done worse before just never got caught so this'll just get them off the streets for a few years."

   Tasering wasn't that widespread when I was around,they'd just let off a few rounds into the suspect...most cops were nobodies in hs usually picked on.now they've got a gun,authority and the ability to set someone up for life if they so choose.

That's a refreshing change to hear what you have to say.
Especially if you are an ex-cop of 10yrs.

I can see some of the reason in planting evidence.
Though I don't agree with it.
Cop then becomes judge & jury almost, and makes himself a
Hypocritical Criminal also.

What would be your advice for making policing better.

[Agnostic007]

Didn't even have to watch this to already know I hate pigs.not all are bad but after having been one for 10yrs n have seen almost everything on the job I'm almost ashamed I ever aspired to become one.I've witnessed so called good cops plant drugs,weapons,anything to make an arrest.it was their way of administering their own brand of justice.they'd usually say "they've done worse before just never got caught so this'll just get them off the streets for a few years."

   Tasering wasn't that widespread when I was around,they'd just let off a few rounds into the suspect...most cops were nobodies in hs usually picked on.now they've got a gun,authority and the ability to set someone up for life if they so choose.

Where were you a cop corrections officer at?

[Archer77]

I dont know the particulars of the incident but my first impression from the video is the action of the cop appeared excessive.   My second impression, I'm glad it was a taser and not a 9mm round.

[Agnostic007]

I dont know the particulars of the incident but my first impression from the video is the action of the cop appeared excessive.   My second impression, I'm glad it was a taser and not a 9mm round.

It appears there was obviously some reason the cops were interested in that particular vehicle and it's occupants. Video doesn't really show any background to the incident. Dude gets out of the vehicle with his hands up but when the cop goes to place him in cuffs (my guess) the guy starts pulling away/resisting. Other cop, realizing no matter what they do short of just letting the guy walk off, will be villified in the media, decides to go the less likely injury option of tasing resisting subject. As the very same time cop is pulling trigger on taser, the man decides to give up. Before officer can process the new information the prongs are already leaving the cartridge and said dude goes down. Handcuffs are placed on subject and game is over...

The lesson here is....... don't resist.

Now, I don't know what preceeded the contact with the vehicle but lets say it's something minor.. I would NOT have tased the subject nor would I want my partner to do so. It's my OPINION cops lean too heavily on the Taser these days, basing their decision on the stats that it is less hazardous for them and the subject to do so. My experience is that two officers can generally take someone of that stature into custody using empty hand techniques with a high probability of success and low probability of injury. Still doesn't look pretty and no matter what there will be those people who cry abuse..but you can't make them all happy.       

[Agnostic007]

Didn't even have to watch this to already know I hate pigs.not all are bad but after having been one for 10yrs n have seen almost everything on the job I'm almost ashamed I ever aspired to become one.I've witnessed so called good cops plant drugs,weapons,anything to make an arrest.it was their way of administering their own brand of justice.they'd usually say "they've done worse before just never got caught so this'll just get them off the streets for a few years."

   Tasering wasn't that widespread when I was around,they'd just let off a few rounds into the suspect...most cops were nobodies in hs usually picked on.now they've got a gun,authority and the ability to set someone up for life if they so choose.

Just to put your statement into some perspective, here is a post from you-

"Had unresolved issues as a kid I later found out.I was molested/felt up by our parish priest when I was about 11-12.I hid it deep down inside,me n my buddy only got groped n whatnot,the other kid we didn't really know but we're sure he got tampered with.we all went to different schools n he hung himself his senior year.

 I was severely introverted,always the kid being beat up on.got into kick boxing in my sophomore year n actually did quite well.went to trade school after graduation but couldn't find the right pay so me n a good friend took the NJ Dept of Corrections test,passed it number 13 in the state outta a few thousand, I always had book smarts so that panned out lol.into my 2nd year there I got heavily involved in weightlifting and instantly became an attraction to a lot of women at work n the gym.
 Now mind you I had my HS sweetheart and was introverted as I said earlier so the sudden attention I got was more than I could handle.I was only 19-20 when I got out of the academy into a world of heavy drinkers,gamblers and womanizers which I became instantly.I could honestly say now that women/porn could've been my first true addiction.

 Met an older woman who I started training,slept together,eventually left my gf for her and couldn't handle the immense guilt so I began drinking heavily,black out binge drinking turned into every day affairs for me.plus the woman I left my gf for was of all things a nurse so xanax was available by the ton,Percs,you name it.then my partner of 3yrs ate his .40cal with black talon hollow points right after we had been drinking.I blamed myself for years for his death but that's another story lol...this one's long enuff.
  Eventually I moved from just drinking n xanax to trying dope I'd find on inmates that I didn't wanna ruin their go home dates so I turned some in,took some home.tried it n didn't like it...but that's how it sneaks up on you.you're looking to find what the big deal is n when you find it it's game over,lights out.in a year I went from sniffing a few bags on weekends to shooting all I could.

 Went thru my $60,000 I had squirreled away for my early retirement,went to my first of many rehabs,left that woman,got back with my honey,engaged n married.exactly one week after I was married I was arrested for nodding out in my car in my uniform pants.the sound of those cuffs was deafening.I watched my shore house grow wings n fly,my boat sink n my hand built Harley go bye bye.
   I continued this and even worse for years.my beautiful wife met someone when I went to my 3rd long term rehab n that too fueled my inner rage.I stayed clean but not for long.it wasn't until I was diagnosed as having a full blown nervous breakdown compounded with PTSD from my childhood with the dirtwad guy we called "father".I know,long winded story n I apologize but it's do hard to sum up what caused it,what fueled the fire,how I've survived even with 2 heavy overdoses,one where I was seconds from being a DOA.they gave me two shots of nar can,the first EMT said bag him n tag him.I still remember hearing them speak,I wanted to scream but couldn't. gives me the chills thinking about this now...
   I've also been contemplating writing a book about my experiences from both sides of the fence,both sides of the tracks.how I'm alive with no known diseases like AIDS or Hepatitis C I can only attest to God.I've shot dope directly behind someone that told me he had the full blown virus but when you're that sick you don't care.that was almost 16yrs ago n my last test last year is proof someone up there loves me.sounds corny I know especially in the BBing realm where there's so many atheists but I know what saved me.

  I've struggled my entire adult life n just coming off another two year hellacious run when everything was going so good despite my gf of 8yrs,my best friend, leaving me due to my unresolved anger issues.I'm now good friends with my ex wife,came to terms n forgave Father Feel Up and pray I can get my ass back to the gym at 47,get back on my cycles n show up these youngins as I'm warming up with their max out weights lol.

  Sorry for being long winded,I know it's a loooong ass story,just try n look at addicts in a different light.not all are scumbags although a lot even I'd shoot thru the dome piece."


You sir, were part of the problem.. hope this helps

[rocco-x]

Where were you a cop corrections officer at?

worker at rahway n nsp,was on the states special ops group.most if not all my friends at the time were inside or working the streets.if I had to talk to someone today just going into the academy...the war on drugs is bullshit.not every person caught using or dealing is an evil person.stick to going after the comes committing sex crimes especially against children.

[Agnostic007]

worker at rahway n nsp,was on the states special ops group.most if not all my friends at the time were inside or working the streets.if I had to talk to someone today just going into the academy...the war on drugs is bullshit.not every person caught using or dealing is an evil person.stick to going after the comes committing sex crimes especially against children.

If I were in charge today I would say the war on drugs has wasted trillions and cost 10s of thousands of lives and needs to be overhauled to the point we focus on regulating like alcohol and diverting a very small portion of what we are spending to fight it, to treating those who want to get off it. Then we penalize the behaviour not possession. 

[Donny]

It appears there was obviously some reason the cops were interested in that particular vehicle and it's occupants. Video doesn't really show any background to the incident. Dude gets out of the vehicle with his hands up but when the cop goes to place him in cuffs (my guess) the guy starts pulling away/resisting. Other cop, realizing no matter what they do short of just letting the guy walk off, will be villified in the media, decides to go the less likely injury option of tasing resisting subject. As the very same time cop is pulling trigger on taser, the man decides to give up. Before officer can process the new information the prongs are already leaving the cartridge and said dude goes down. Handcuffs are placed on subject and game is over...

The lesson here is....... don't resist.

Now, I don't know what preceeded the contact with the vehicle but lets say it's something minor.. I would NOT have tased the subject nor would I want my partner to do so. It's my OPINION cops lean too heavily on the Taser these days, basing their decision on the stats that it is less hazardous for them and the subject to do so. My experience is that two officers can generally take someone of that stature into custody using empty hand techniques with a high probability of success and low probability of injury. Still doesn't look pretty and no matter what there will be those people who cry abuse..but you can't make them all happy.       

Yeah...the old man looked like a real Danger to the two young Cops.  He was an old man who was scared. END OFF

[Agnostic007]

Yeah...the old man looked like a real Danger to the two young Cops.  He was an old man who was scared. END OFF

Didn't really look scared to me.

[Donny]

Didn't really look scared to me.

of course he was . cmon ..he had his hands up before he got out the car . two cops could not control an old man ?? you are saying they were correct ? could have killed the old man.

[Agnostic007]

of course he was . cmon ..he had his hands up before he got out the car . two cops could not control an old man ?? you are saying they were correct ? could have killed the old man.

I'll repeat my earlier post... not what I would have done, but it wouldn't matter.

I have no idea what info the cops had at the time but I'll base my comments on the snippet of video we have all seen..

Yes, he had his hands up prior to getting out of the car.. so what? When he was struggling to get away that kind of kings X'd the first gesture. And he was struggling to get away.

I suspect the guy giving up surprised the cop with the Taser as much as anyone and before his (the cop with the taser) brain could process it the trigger was pulled. I could be wrong, and he just wanted to zap the old man, but knowing about action/reaction, I think I'm right.   

Had they both put hands on him and wrestled him to the ground, we'd still be discussing how brutal cops are as it rarely looks pretty when you are arresting someone who doesn't want to be arrested.

Injuries from Taser application verses physical force are reduced so significantly that it is not debatable that if given the choice Taser on a resisting subject in most cases results in fewer injuries to both parties.

Again, I probably would have not opted for the Taser, but its 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other for me. Would have been cool if the guy didn't resist in the first place, would have been great if the cop would have processed the surrender a half second faster. But it is what it is. 

[illuminati]

Didn't really look scared to me.

When it comes to cops & their behaviour.
We know how it goes.
See No Evil.
Hear No Evil.
Speak No Evil.

No cop behaviour shall Ever be challenged.
Let Alone Go Punished.

Cops = all Saints.
Every one Else = All Sinners.

[Agnostic007]

When it comes to cops & their behaviour.
We know how it goes.
See No Evil.
Hear No Evil.
Speak No Evil.

No cop behaviour shall Ever be challenged.
Let Alone Go Punished.

Cops = all Saints.
Every one Else = All Sinners.

Cop behaviour gets challenged every day all day..

[Donny]

old man could have had a heart attack. inexperienced cops screwing up .. afterwards they just stood there like spare pricks because they realized people watched it and no doubt filmed it. not a cop hater but that was not needed ..

[Agnostic007]

old man could have had a heart attack. inexperienced cops screwing up .. afterwards they just stood there like spare pricks because they realized people watched it and no doubt filmed it. not a cop hater but that was not needed ..

He could have had a heart attack if it went to wrestling him to the ground. Happens more often than from a Taser. Again.. they were damned no matter what they did. Just my opinion.

[Donny]

He could have had a heart attack if it went to wrestling him to the ground. Happens more often than from a Taser. Again.. they were damned no matter what they did. Just my opinion.

well you are entitled to your opinion but i think it was excessive force and good that it was filmed

[illuminati]

Cop behaviour gets challenged every day all day..

Yes.  And so it should.
Public servants, Protect  & Serve 
You have a problem with that.?

See no Evil.
Hear No Evil.
Speak No Evil.
ETC.

[Agnostic007]

Yes.  And so it should.
Public servants, Protect  & Serve 
You have a problem with that.?

See no Evil.
Hear No Evil.
Speak No Evil.
ETC.

Cops are given the authority to take someone's liberty away and at times, like the rest of the citizens, to take someone's life away. With that authority comes huge responsibility. We should hold cops accountable for their actions. Having said that, we also have an obligation to take into account we charge cops to place themselves into precarious situations where the outcomes can be fatal for the cops. We ask them to enforce the laws we have adopted. We should review their actions with a filter that takes many things into consideration. The standard typically is what a reasonable officer in that situation would do based on the circumstances and what they knew at the time. What I find in some cases from some people when discussing use of force issues is an almost complete lack of understanding of tactics, law and experience. This lack of understanding often leads some people to faulty conclusions. What the average citizen sees during a use of force incident is probably going to be different than what an officer who is trained and has extensive experience dealing with similar situations may see. So the goal should be a dialogue between the cops and the citizens about an incident for better understanding. Sometimes it's fruitful, sometimes it's not. We can all agree the Rodney King incident was abusive. We don't all agree that the Michael Brown incident was abusive.
Some people are just unreasonable in their expectations. There are people who believe an officer should never under any circumstance have to use deadly force. There are others that think shooting a gun out of their hand is an option. Some believe all cops are evil and corrupt. Those people, I just have to ignore, there is not changing their mind. However there are well intended citizens with valid concerns about police and policing and I enjoy exhanging view points with them. We both walk away better for it.