What is the stupidest "Bro Science" thing you've heard?

[Big Chiro Flex]

Would love to hold you back 

Would be an honor to have you in my corner, chief.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Found a pic, thanks to funk51:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=466913.0;attach=595236;image

It's the bench in the middle of the pic.

Straight up awesome gym.  Probably smells like rich mahoghany.

[Erik C]

Straight up awesome gym.  Probably smells like rich mahoghany.

Gym wise, Vince Gironda certainly knew what he was doing.

[Never1AShow]

Found a pic, thanks to funk51:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=466913.0;attach=595236;image

It's the bench in the middle of the pic.

Is that a ghost in the mirror?

[Vince B]

I don't have a link to a picture. Here's a description of the good preacher bench that Larry Scott used at Vince's Gym, quoting Larry Scott again. "The correct design of the bench is that it has to have a face that is convex rather than flat. In other words, the face should bulge out in the middle. Most preacher benches are flat because they are easier to manufacture that way. But the bench has to have a convex face. And the area at the top where you place your armpits has to be rounded and well padded, because you're going to be bearing down real hard on that bench when you're doing the curls. Most benches have a sharp ridge on top. and it hurts your arm pits."

Larry Scott never explained why the preacher bench needs to be convex with a bulge in the middle. Does it just 'feel' better or is there another reason? I think I know.

Larry avoided putting much pressure on the elbows joints because of the curved surface of the Preacher Bench.

The elbow joint has a delicate sheath going over it that connects forearm muscles to the upper arms. When pressure is put directly on the elbows either doing

curls or triceps extensions over a bench then the sheath can be damaged and might not heal if sufficient damage is done. You can see that most manufacturers

of gym equipment have no clue about this and continue to build curl machines where the elbows contact the pads. These can be dangerous. The pads should

be shortened to a couple of inches above the elbows. I have had to modify some Nautilus machines to make them safer. We also now do our lying triceps

extensions with the elbow joints a couple of inches past the ends of the benches. You won't notice much if using light weights but when you get stronger the

force causes rubbing on the joints and this is when the damage occurs.

[Erik C]

Larry Scott never explained why the preacher bench needs to be convex with a bulge in the middle. Does it just 'feel' better or is there another reason? I think I know.

He didn't say, except that it was way better than the flat surface preacher bench, in terms of results obtained. And he was living proof of those results.

My take on it, is that the convex surface allows for the natural hyper extension of the elbow joint, that allows for greater muscle use in the curl movement, including the negative. Would work that way too, for the "burns" he did, that were great for brachialis growth.

[Grape Ape]

Larry Scott probably could have done straight curls only and would have looked the same.   It's mostly genetics.

[LurkerNoMore]

Found a pic, thanks to funk51:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=466913.0;attach=595236;image

It's the bench in the middle of the pic.

It looks no different than the one in my gym.

[LurkerNoMore]

Larry Scott probably could have done straight curls only and would have looked the same.   It's mostly genetics.

My thoughts exactly.

[mr.turbo]

seems like the curve would allow the torso to come forward a little into a more natural posture.

[Erik C]

Larry Scott probably could have done straight curls only and would have looked the same.   It's mostly genetics.

The genetics excuse again, for your lack of gains.

[Vince B]

My thoughts exactly.

Not so fast. Let us not have Bro science popping up in the middle of a Bro science thread.

Larry did some exercises expressly to make his biceps larger nearer the elbows. I respect Larry as an authority on exercise performance and execution.

He would turn his hands inwards to try to build that part of the biceps/brachialis.

[Never1AShow]

Crossfit CROSS-SHIT is really the winner here.  It is the ultimate Broscience.  

[Erik C]

seems like the curve would allow the torso to come forward a little into a more natural posture.

How? The convex curve is under the arms, not the torso.

[Big Chiro Flex]

The genetics excuse again, for your lack of gains.

Erik C I like you as a poster but must insist you lower your tone when addressing Grape Ape, he is a large man and a close friend.

[Erik C]

Erik C I like you as a poster but must insist you lower your tone when addressing Grape Ape, he is a large man and a close friend.

Then why cop the genetics plea?

[_aj_]

Then why cop the genetics plea?

Are you seriously saying that genetics has nothing to do with the shape, size, bellies and insertions of Scott's biceps?

[LurkerNoMore]

Not so fast. Let us not have Bro science popping up in the middle of a Bro science thread.

Larry did some exercises expressly to make his biceps larger nearer the elbows. I respect Larry as an authority on exercise performance and execution.

He would turn his hands inwards to try to build that part of the biceps/brachialis.

I am not convinced you can build one area of a muscle up with specific exercises.  A muscle contracts as whole or not at all.  Any twists or supination or what not exercises would work the biceps evenly through out.  

[Erik C]

Are you seriously saying that genetics has nothing to do with the shape, size, bellies and insertions of Scott's biceps?

No. I'm saying that the work he did got him the shape and size that he ended up with. If he hadn't have worked those muscles, then they wouldn't have grown at all. There's this stupid notion out there that, some people will get big no matter what they do, and that isn't true at all. Before he hit that special preacher bench at Vince's gym, and started using Rheo Blair's protein powder, he didn't have big guns, and he wouldn't have had them without doing what he did, and that was before he used roids.

[mr.turbo]

How? The convex curve is under the arms, not the torso.

the curve bulges out to accommodate the torso and the arms will come back a little

[Erik C]

the curve bulges out to accommodate the torso and the arms will come back a little

The curve is on the front of the bench under the arms. The torso is at the back of the bench when you are curling.

[Erik C]

I am not convinced you can build one area of a muscle up with specific exercises.  A muscle contracts as whole or not at all.  Any twists or supination or what not exercises would work the biceps evenly through out.  

Wow. Totally wrong.

[Erik C]

Not so fast. Let us not have Bro science popping up in the middle of a Bro science thread.

Larry did some exercises expressly to make his biceps larger nearer the elbows. I respect Larry as an authority on exercise performance and execution.

He would turn his hands inwards to try to build that part of the biceps/brachialis.

Well yes, but in those pictures, Larry is posing for pictures. That's not the way he used a preacher bench. His arms are way too high up, as the bench should be under his armpits, elbows further down, and that looks like a flat surface preacher bench, that he said doesn't work.

[ritch]

"carbs make you fat"

[Erik C]

"carbs make you fat"

Absolute Fact!