Nasser and yates were normal guys who had above normal response to gear, no different to any other competitor , we all take the same stuff, some more than others, but by the by if you don't transform dramatically after your 1st few propper cycles you will chase the dream, take stupid amounts and follow around 'gurus', if you have the genes for this sport you don't need extra help to figure it out, its not rocket science for fuck sake
This coaching thing has got so daft there was a uk 'coach' who charged people for advices, paying someone else to prep him.. In my day, you got help and tips( for free ) off the local guy in your gym or gym owner for your 1st show, then you experiment to suit your self after that, picking up tips as you go...
And since when did beef it live in Birmingham and mentor yates?