white officer abuses rank, black officer is suspended.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Guys lets be real here. Suspended with pay really means you get a paid vacation...Any cop would take that in a heartbeat...

[chaos]

[Schnauzer]

not surprised in s.florida. Glad I left that shithole dade county.

dude rag dolled his ass to the ground after he has that "damn this dude strong" moment. lol

should have hammer fists his bitch ass. You got these guys that literally throw that shit in your face that they are the law even when they are in the wrong.

I like how the reporter mentioned things got "sketchy" ....bitch nothing was sketchy ...had it not been for the guy installing a go pro set up in his ride he'd be fired period point blank.

S.Florida is a fucking zoo. 3rd world. 

Yep, I too was glad to get out of South Florida. Miami is not what people think it is.

[hardgainerj]

[chaos]

Chris Cormier looking tough!

[Kwon_2]

The white cop should NOT have slammed his car door into the black cop as he opened it.


Try doing that to any cop. The cop will slam you down on the ground in protective, self-defense.


The white cop was the instigator and the aggressor here.

Blacks are ALWAYS the instigator regardless.

The Black one was instigating AND the aggressor by being there on the scene.

[Agnostic007]

I have no problem with law abiding officers.

But its pretty shitty when officers break the law and inconvenience everyone. For example, I am driving in manhattan and they double park to go into Dunkin Donuts, causing more traffic than already is. Naturally, they do not get a ticket. Its shitty things like this that make people dislike cops. Why should they be above the law? If I double parked, I would get a parking ticket.

I knew a cop (a friend of a friend). Would sometimes go get lunch with him. He is blowing stop signs, red lights, etc. He gets pulled over all the time, flashes his badge, and they let him go. One day he is going to blow a red light and hit a child. There is absolutely no reason that he should be getting away with this stuff.

I hear cops in the upper east coast are still like that... not so much around here. I drive an unmarked take home car with lights and siren and I go the speed limit, use my turn signals and wait my turn to merge. I try to set the example for others and as you say, it looks bad when a cop is breaking the laws they enforce without a lawful reason to do it.

[Agnostic007]

Guys lets be real here. Suspended with pay really means you get a paid vacation...Any cop would take that in a heartbeat...

Lets be real real.. a suspension is a black mark on your record. I don't know of any cop who is happy about a suspension unless the alternative was losing their job.

[Agnostic007]

We don't have access to what was said during the stop but in my opinion, the Lieutenant was the greater wrong in this matter. Both share some culpability but an on duty officer in uniform in a marked unit trumps a plainclothes officer (rank irrelevant) in a POV every time. I don't get stopped much because I obey the traffic laws but if I did, I would be respectful and let the officer run the show. 

[LittleJ]

We don't have access to what was said during the stop but in my opinion, the Lieutenant was the greater wrong in this matter. Both share some culpability but an on duty officer in uniform in a marked unit trumps a plainclothes officer (rank irrelevant) in a POV every time. I don't get stopped much because I obey the traffic laws but if I did, I would be respectful and let the officer run the show. 

Thanks for keeping our streets safe.

[Agnostic007]

Thanks for keeping our streets safe.

You're welcome

[RagingBull]

Exactly.  The white officer should have calmly identified himself, and then asked if he could reach into his pocket and retrieve his badge.  No reason for the African American officer to know who he was, and certainly no excuse for the white officer to charge him in an aggressive manner.

The white cop should NOT have slammed his car door into the black cop as he opened it.


Try doing that to any cop. The cop will slam you down on the ground in protective, self-defense.


The white cop was the instigator and the aggressor here.

[Royalty]

Exactly.  The white officer should have calmly identified himself, and then asked if he could reach into his pocket and retrieve his badge.  No reason for the African American officer to know who he was, and certainly no excuse for the white officer to charge him in an aggressive manner.

Totally agree.

The black cop could've been hit in the knee with the door. That would hurt pretty bad.

[blacken700]

I've watched that video numerous times I still don't see where the man threw open the door

[woodman]

My take on why the patrol officer was suspended ( former NYPD cop) he was using unauthorized equipment( the go pro.) his department does not have dash cams..this was a personal go pro recording device and him leaking the footage violated dept policy... Now the off-duty cop was wrong for slamming the door and I would have dropped him also and that's probably why he was reassigned from his cushy internal affairs job

[Agnostic007]

I've watched that video numerous times I still don't see where the man threw open the door

you are absolutely right. The man opened the door.. threw is of course the narrators choice of words to add drama to the video because reporting just ain't enough these days, you need to spin opinions if you want ratings.

However, probably unwise to get out of your car during a verbal argument with an officer unless they ask you to do so..

[Agnostic007]

My take on why the patrol officer was suspended ( former NYPD cop) he was using unauthorized equipment( the go pro.) his department does not have dash cams..this was a personal go pro recording device and him leaking the footage violated dept policy... Now the off-duty cop was wrong for slamming the door and I would have dropped him also and that's probably why he was reassigned from his cushy internal affairs job

I would take issue if the suspension was due to having a go pro unless policy specifically prohibits an officer from doing so. Prior to cameras being provided for officers it was common for them to purchase them on their own just for these situations where it would be a he said she said type thing. I didn't read where the officer leaked it. Maybe he did but it could have been he turned it over for the investigation and the department released it.

He probably and I'm just guessing, had enough information to be reasonably sure the guy was in fact an off duty officer and didn't make attempts to ratchet the level of confrontation down and chose to go the opposite direction. Wouldn't be the first time 2 egos got in the way of a reasonable outcome.

excerpts from the tape;

Lt. David Ramras: “Do you know who the *expletive* I am?”
Officer Marcel Jackson: “No, I don’t.”
Lt. Ramras: “I showed you ID.”

If in fact he did show ID the force was over the top when the Lt gets out of the car.

[illuminati]

I would take issue if the suspension was due to having a go pro unless policy specifically prohibits an officer from doing so. Prior to cameras being provided for officers it was common for them to purchase them on their own just for these situations where it would be a he said she said type thing. I didn't read where the officer leaked it. Maybe he did but it could have been he turned it over for the investigation and the department released it.

He probably and I'm just guessing, had enough information to be reasonably sure the guy was in fact an off duty officer and didn't make attempts to ratchet the level of confrontation down and chose to go the opposite direction. Wouldn't be the first time 2 egos got in the way of a reasonable outcome.

excerpts from the tape;

Lt. David Ramras: “Do you know who the *expletive* I am?”
Officer Marcel Jackson: “No, I don’t.”
Lt. Ramras: “I showed you ID.”

If in fact he did show ID the force was over the top when the Lt gets out of the car.

If he did show ID.
And what's with the 'do you know who the fuck I am' bit.
Shoving the car door into the patrol man.
White bloke clearly a king Shit cop.
That's how he speaks & treats another cop.
Jeez what hope is there for the Public.
With twats like him with a badge.

Defend him all you like.
As you said he was off duty.

[Agnostic007]

If he did show ID.
And what's with the 'do you know who the fuck I am' bit.
Shoving the car door into the patrol man.
White bloke clearly a king Shit cop.
That's how he speaks & treats another cop.
Jeez what hope is there for the Public.
With twats like him with a badge.

Defend him all you like.
As you said he was off duty.

I didn't think I was defending him. They both used bad judgement. You happen to be wrong about "shoving the car door" but it's not that big of a point to argue about. As a Lieutenant I hold him to a higher standard and my hope is that he is reassigned while the investigation is on going and will look at possible demotion and or suspension. People like that in a supervisory position concerns me. 

[Archer77]

I didn't think I was defending him. They both used bad judgement. You happen to be wrong about "shoving the car door" but it's not that big of a point to argue about. As a Lieutenant I hold him to a higher standard and my hope is that he is reassigned while the investigation is on going and will look at possible demotion and or suspension. People like that in a supervisory position concerns me. 

This is a fair assessment.  Cooler heads should have prevailed. Both of the officers used poor judgement. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with abuse of authority.

[Agnostic007]

This is a fair assessment.  Cooler heads should have prevailed. Both of the officers used poor judgement. This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with abuse of authority.

Agreed.

[RagingBull]

Emile Hirsch (white) chokes a studio executive in Sundance (January 2015) and a couple of months later books a big movie.  Isaiah Washington (black) uses a derogatory word to describe a gay person (and yes it was a despicable thing to do), and gets blackballed and fired.  Go figure...

[Archer77]

Emile Hirsch (white) chokes a studio executive in Sundance (January 2015) and a couple of months later books a big movie.  Isaiah Washington (black) uses a derogatory word to describe a gay person (and yes it was a despicable thing to do), and gets blackballed and fired.  Go figure...

The person who fired Washington was black and a strong supporter of LGBT rights. The slur was directed at a co-worker who was gay.  Washingston also threatened and put his hands on a co-worker.

[RagingBull]

Choke vs threat + slur...which is worse.  As I mentioned in my post what Washington said was despicable, but come on...

The person who fired Washington was black and a strong supporter of LGBT rights. The slur was directed at a co-worker who was gay.  Washingston also threatened and put his hands on a co-worker.

[Archer77]

Choke vs threat + slur...which is worse.  As I mentioned in my post what Washington said was despicable, but come on...

He created a hostile workplace. His continued presence would have directly endangered his co-workers and caused production problems.  Co-workers would have grounds to sue the production company and Disney the parent company of ABC television.