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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2015, 11:47:49 PM »
Btw, as the show got closer. Drop the red meat for chicken then drop the chicken for fish. No limit.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2015, 01:47:00 AM »
Thong Maniac: You're not going to stop eating carbs anyway, so why do you care? This is what, the fifth time you're posting about an extremely low carb diet, and you still haven't stopped eating carbs. Either cut the carbs out of your diet, and lose your blubber, or don't, but stop asking the same stupid question over and over.

Someone else posted that Avocados made dogs fat. Yes, Avocados are fruit, and therefore carbs, that no one should be eating on an extremely low carb diet, so yes they make you fat. Animals, bears, deer all eat fruit, carbs, in the autumn, to get fat for winter. You want to get fat, then eat carbs. Works every time.


Havnt had carbs but 3 days. Been on AD for 5 weeks ass.

Im hear to learn, whats with your negativity bro. Bad day at the office?

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2015, 01:50:03 AM »
Joe: Do you have my diet ready?

Rory: Yes. All protein. no carbs, cheat day on Sunday

Joe: all protein?

Rory: yes. Chicken. Meat, cheese, bacon, eggs, etc. just no carbs.

What I ate...

1- 4-6 eggs w/ground beef

2- 1 pound of ground beef w/ catsup

3- more eggs and maybe some chicken

4- tuna salad w/mayo (if I went to a restaurant I got 2-3 scoops)

5- more red meat.

If I got hungry ( and I was all the time) find some protein. Bacon, cheese or whatever. If it didn't have carbs, eat it.

End result was I got shredded. No mention of calories...ever. Laws of thermodynamics.


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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2015, 03:40:49 AM »
He DID restrict calories. When he trained Mohamed Makkawy he did variations of eggs and streak but as the show got closer he ate nothing but salad and chicken breast.

This is not accurate. THE BEEF knows Mohamed, and he ate up to 1 kg of meat or fish up to contest time and on other occasions he lived on aminos and dessicated liver for 9 days prior to contest time.

THE BEEF

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2015, 06:00:08 AM »
Joe: Do you have my diet ready?

Rory: Yes. All protein. no carbs, cheat day on Sunday

Joe: all protein?

Rory: yes. Chicken. Meat, cheese, bacon, eggs, etc. just no carbs.

What I ate...

1- 4-6 eggs w/ground beef

2- 1 pound of ground beef w/ catsup

3- more eggs and maybe some chicken

4- tuna salad w/mayo (if I went to a restaurant I got 2-3 scoops)

5- more red meat.

If I got hungry ( and I was all the time) find some protein. Bacon, cheese or whatever. If it didn't have carbs, eat it.

End result was I got shredded. No mention of calories...ever. Laws of thermodynamics.
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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2015, 06:07:26 AM »
Joe: Do you have my diet ready?

Rory: Yes. All protein. no carbs, cheat day on Sunday

Joe: all protein?

Rory: yes. Chicken. Meat, cheese, bacon, eggs, etc. just no carbs.

What I ate...

1- 4-6 eggs w/ground beef

2- 1 pound of ground beef w/ catsup

3- more eggs and maybe some chicken

4- tuna salad w/mayo (if I went to a restaurant I got 2-3 scoops)

5- more red meat.

If I got hungry ( and I was all the time) find some protein. Bacon, cheese or whatever. If it didn't have carbs, eat it.

End result was I got shredded. No mention of calories...ever. Laws of thermodynamics.

Why would you need to count calories on an all protein diet?

Even if you eat 300 gram a day it's only 1200 cals.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2015, 06:11:35 AM »
This is not accurate. THE BEEF knows Mohamed, and he ate up to 1 kg of meat or fish up to contest time and on other occasions he lived on aminos and dessicated liver for 9 days prior to contest time.

THE BEEF

This is also true as the show got closer but he did variations meaning beef, eggs liver tabs chicken breast. I have a letter Mohamed wrote me back when he competed explaining how he ate what he took and how he dried out using diuretics and slow k for potassium. 

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2015, 06:12:54 AM »
Why would you need to count calories on an all protein diet?

Even if you eat 300 gram a day it's only 1200 cals.

I don't think it was all pure protein in the beginning. I'm sure because eating yolks and beef so you would have some fat in there too.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2015, 06:13:52 AM »
His aerobic was fast & long bike riding  ;)
read his book
Funny thing was he was against running.. depleted the Hormones.. ::) you are correct he did ride a Bike. What Book are you referring to? Only book i have from him is "the wild physique" which does show him standing next to a Tour de France style Bike.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2015, 07:51:03 AM »
Junkbroscience.  Did you even read that tripe?  I'll stick with the example of concentration camps.  No one came out fat.  Or a better modern day example, the show Survivor.  Restricted calories equal weight loss.  Everything else is tinkering.

Restricted calories = weight loss, but not fat loss. When you restrict calories, your body burns everything, but body fat. The body hoards its body fat. Notice that the restricted concentration camp inmates, didn't have visible abs either, because the body was hoarding body fat on the usual place, the stomach.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2015, 07:56:43 AM »

Havnt had carbs but 3 days. Been on AD for 5 weeks ass.

Im hear to learn, whats with your negativity bro. Bad day at the office?

The 5 weeks didn't count because you had cheat days, that fucks up the AD, for body fat loss. Cheat days are only for an AD maintenance diet. That's why you are maintaining your body fat, instead of losing it.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2015, 09:32:50 AM »
This is also true as the show got closer but he did variations meaning beef, eggs liver tabs chicken breast. I have a letter Mohamed wrote me back when he competed explaining how he ate what he took and how he dried out using diuretics and slow k for potassium. 

Let THE BEEF give him a call . . . not saying you are misleading, its just THE BEEF has not discussed chicken with Mo.

THE BEEF will return,

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2015, 11:32:07 AM »
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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2015, 11:45:11 AM »
I don't think it was all pure protein in the beginning. I'm sure because eating yolks and beef so you would have some fat in there too.

and bacon, mayo and cheese

so likely more fat than protein

basically a keto diet


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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2015, 03:41:36 PM »
Keto diets are calorie restrictive diets in a manor of speaking. When in a ketogenic state you are satisfied by the fats you eat while in ketosis. While you may not actually count calories you will find it doesn't take you all that much food after a week or so on the diet to feel full.
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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2015, 03:50:44 PM »
Keto diets are calorie restrictive diets in a manor of speaking. When in a ketogenic state you are satisfied by the fats you eat while in ketosis. While you may not actually count calories you will find it doesn't take you all that much food after a week or so on the diet to feel full.

Also, when you take out the carbs, you reduce fat intake as well. Pretty much all the high carb foods have a lot of fat, as well: Pizza, cake, cookies, ice cream, Mac & cheese, burgers and fries etc.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2015, 04:23:23 PM »
Also, when you take out the carbs, you reduce fat intake as well. Pretty much all the high carb foods have a lot of fat, as well: Pizza, cake, cookies, ice cream, Mac & cheese, burgers and fries etc.

Not true. All grains have little fat, but make you fat. Root crops potatoes, carrots, sweet potatoes, beets, etc, have little fat, but make you fat. Fruit is fructose, a major body fat maker, but most fruits have little fat. Carbs are what really makes people fat.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2015, 04:27:26 PM »
Gironda still allowed a high carb meal every fourth day on the low carb diet.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2015, 05:06:09 PM »
Not true. All grains have little fat, but make you fat. Root crops potatoes, carrots, sweet potatoes, beets, etc, have little fat, but make you fat. Fruit is fructose, a major body fat maker, but most fruits have little fat. Carbs are what really makes people fat.

De Novo Lipogenesis (carbs stored as fat) is a very minor pathway. Fat is what actually gets stored as fat. The excess carbs create the conditions for this to happen.

Moreover, the body only hoards fat when you get down to low levels. The body doesn't hoard fat when you're at 20%. That's why it's relatively easy to get from 20 to 10, but very hard to get lower.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2015, 05:14:52 PM »
Gironda still allowed a high carb meal every four day on the low carb diet.

After a few days, you will most likely open up enough glycogen storage space to get away with it without adding fat.

That said, I'm in the camp that believes if you're gonna diet then diet. No cheat days until you're where you want to be. Cheat days just drag out the process.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2015, 05:23:20 PM »
Okinawa Japs eat carbs 3 X daily and they stay slim, no pigging for them  ;)
Indians hardly eat any meat protein & they stay lean on carbs food.

Nazi concentration camps diet was 99% carbs & everyone was slim  ;D

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2015, 05:27:18 PM »
Okinawa Japs eat carbs 3 X daily and they stay slim, no pigging for them  ;)
Indians hardly eat any meat protein & they stay lean on carbs food.

Nazi concentration camps diet was 99% carbs & everyone was slim  ;D

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2015, 05:30:10 PM »
Restricted calories = weight loss, but not fat loss. When you restrict calories, your body burns everything, but body fat. The body hoards its body fat. Notice that the restricted concentration camp inmates, didn't have visible abs either, because the body was hoarding body fat on the usual place, the stomach.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2015, 05:34:09 PM »
Okinawa Japs eat carbs 3 X daily and they stay slim, no pigging for them  ;)
Indians hardly eat any meat protein & they stay lean on carbs food.

Nazi concentration camps diet was 99% carbs & everyone was slim  ;D

In poor countries, the carbs are just enough to support people's metabolisms. In a rich country like the U.S, the carbs put people in a surplus.

There's a guy named Ben Greenfield who has a fitness podcast. In one episode, he talked about a speaking gig he had on a low carb cruise, and noticing that everyone was fat, and ate huge portions.

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Re: Vince Gironda Diet question?
« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2015, 05:35:52 PM »
Fact is, we have too much food & too big plates ................

Todays plate is much larger than 1945 one ................

French girls eat bread,cakes,drink champagne & still stay slim ........