so do steroids kill you quicker or not?

[BigRo]

while habitual smokers and drinkers live on to there 100 ^^

[SuperTed]

Genetics will determine your lifespan.

[heenok]

I dont see the point of doing two cycles a year.
You would be on gear 6 months a year, and trying to recover your natural testosterone the other half of the year, losing most of your gains during the process.
Its like doing one step forward, one step backward then repeat.
I honestly think you are deteriorating your health more by doing those roller coaster cycling than doing a consistent moderate dose all year.
If your bloodwork is ok you wont lose much lifespan imo and even if you do the quality of life you gain from using test is worth it.

[mdef48]

I dont see the point of doing two cycles a year.
You would be on gear 6 months a year, and trying to recover your natural testosterone the other half of the year, losing most of your gains during the process.
Its like doing one step forward, one step backward then repeat.
I honestly think you are deteriorating your health more by doing those roller coaster cycling than doing a consistent moderate dose all year.
If your bloodwork is ok you wont lose much lifespan imo and even if you do the quality of life you gain from using test is worth it.

I disagree, I like cycling.
Actually let me rephrase that, its not so much that I like cycling (cos I fucking hate coming off)
But that it can be pretty darn effective protocol.

Lets just keep shit real here for a second, you ain't making any serious gains on 250mg a week year around....don't give a fuck what anyone says, this is the Gal/UK Jeff type bullshit that was spouted around when those guys know perfectly well they were juiced to their eyes balls in their younger year to make them gains and were just maintaining on low doses years after

Now lets also face the fact that most guys ain't gonna be able to handle larger doses long term.

So to blast heavy for 3-4 months, kinda like how Sev used to do makes perfect sense, say if you wanna look dope for summer or something.
But truth is you have to come off and accept that shit is temporary.

Also losing gains ain't as big a deal cos of muscle memory and when you blast again you get them gains back just as quick to the dick.

[whitewidow]

Average dude, decides at 25 he wants to get jacked, does 2 cycles a year of 500mg a week of test only, comes off in the proper fashion, continues doing this until he dies.Another guy just lifts natty until death.Take a sample size of 10 million average guys on one side, 10 million on the other, would you personally expect much difference in the life expectancy of both groups? Has any study ever been done on life expectancy on test etc? Again we aren't talking Derek Anthony or that Alex Arizian cycles here.

I bet steroids take a few years off,nothing crazy but a few years who wants to be real old anyway? 75-80 is cool but I don't want to live till I'm 90.

[mdef48]

I bet steroids take a few years off,nothing crazy but a few years who wants to be real old anyway? 75-80 is cool but I don't want to live till I'm 90.

About 15 years is the average ball park estimate.

[Palpatine Q]

well as  a 50 year old dude. my bp is 109/59 and my resting hr is 56-60 depending. that's at 226 pounds on 100 mgs test phenylprop,  200 mgs tren ace wk.

these are honest numbers not " i have to win" numbers.  i have no health issues whatsoever, i have a clean bill of health from my dr.   don't take any meds besides the occasional tums or advil.

i'm low dose all the way, always will be. i have never put 500 mg of gear in my body as a weekly dose. most was 400 for a month or two.

i think low dose and CARDIO are key.  i'm a cardio freak in my old age

[latiuss]

do cardio
eat as clean as possible
avoid orals
donate blood
monitor apnea
monitor BP

genetics all determine the rest.  May dad juiced his whole life he is 71 and healthy on TRT.  I'm 41 and still pushing


stress will kill you before anything, enjoy life

How often should one give blood if they blast n cruise?  Also are there any signs to look out for?

[njflex]

well as  a 50 year old dude. my bp is 109/59 and my resting hr is 56-60 depending. that's at 226 pounds on 100 mgs test phenylprop,  200 mgs tren ace wk.

these are honest numbers not " i have to win" numbers.  i have no health issues whatsoever, i have a clean bill of health from my dr.   don't take any meds besides the occasional tums or advil.

i'm low dose all the way, always will be. i have never put 500 mg of gear in my body as a weekly dose. most was 400 for a month or two.

i think low dose and CARDIO are key.  i'm a cardio freak in my old age

WELL DONE..AT LEAST YOUR SENSIBLE.

[Grape Ape]

well as  a 50 year old dude. my bp is 109/59 and my resting hr is 56-60 depending. that's at 226 pounds on 100 mgs test phenylprop,  200 mgs tren ace wk.

these are honest numbers not " i have to win" numbers.  i have no health issues whatsoever, i have a clean bill of health from my dr.   don't take any meds besides the occasional tums or advil.

i'm low dose all the way, always will be. i have never put 500 mg of gear in my body as a weekly dose. most was 400 for a month or two.

i think low dose and CARDIO are key.  i'm a cardio freak in my old age

Yeah, conditioning is key.  Even better if it's done outdoors doing something fun - mountain biking, trails, climbing, rucking.

I actually started to like doing rucks with 45 pounds in the dark, late Nov/Dec.....was pretty peaceful outside under the stars just moving along......the crazy amount of snow we got still makes that dangerous right now, so it's the f'n treadmill, which doesn't compare at all.

[Palpatine Q]

Yeah, conditioning is key.  Even better if it's done outdoors doing something fun - mountain biking, trails, climbing, rucking.

I actually started to like doing rucks with 45 pounds in the dark, late Nov/Dec.....was pretty peaceful outside under the stars just moving along......the crazy amount of snow we got still makes that dangerous right now, so it's the f'n treadmill, which doesn't compare at all.

that blows...but at least you're still getting it in.

yeah cardio is super important. i have self imposed rules that kinda force me to live a non-lazy life.  my grocery store is 3 miles away, i don't take my car and do a huge once a week shopping.  i take me bike and my backpack, and get a day's food for the household.  the next day. my ass is on the bike going to get food yet again.  that's six miles a day minimum.  i bike to the gym, (1 mile each way) and use it for pretty much all the little bullshit errands that i can. there are exceptions of course, if my kid wants to come with me or i need to restock staples,etc.... but i think you see how it works. i leave the car in the driveway if it's doable

[simon]

How often should one give blood if they blast n cruise?  Also are there any signs to look out for?

Red Cross will allow every 56 days.  Go by what your hemoglobin average is, they will test it each time

[njflex]

that blows...but at least you're still getting it in.

yeah cardio is super important. i have self imposed rules that kinda force me to live a non-lazy life.  my grocery store is 3 miles away, i don't take my car and do a huge once a week shopping.  i take me bike and my backpack, and get a day's food for the household.  the next day. my ass is on the bike going to get food yet again.  that's six miles a day minimum.  i bike to the gym, (1 mile each way) and use it for pretty much all the little bullshit errands that i can. there are exceptions of course, if my kid wants to come with me or i need to restock staples,etc.... but i think you see how it works. i leave the car in the driveway if it's doable

THATS like living in nyc car is sometimes not needed...I walk to things in my neiborhood all the time.

[latiuss]

walking is my favorite cardio, I like to think/reflect/plan shit while I walk.

[Skorp1o]

Joon raises a very good point...statistically there's 26% of men in UK are smokers..worldwide there's just under 1 Billion smokers as a rough estimate....if that number was swapped for steroid usage I wonder how the public health sector would cope.

People say my dad used steroids til 90..etc. I said this before on here I knew a homless guy who has been a hueroin addict for decades on and off, now he's middle aged and still balding homlessness and alcohol and drugs. Would be stupid if I used him as an example that heroine is safe

[Skorp1o]

I can only use get big on my fine as site is blocked at work....some funny word swaps 

[LurkerNoMore]

Here is something to ponder on the flip side of the coin in regards to heart issues :

Obviously with huge cycles that people (not just pros) are doing, one can pretty much claim without argument that it is taking it's toil on the heart.  But is it the steroids themselves (compounds) or simply the huge amount of oil by product that is being pumped into the body and dispersed through the system?

The actual amount of steroids in 1ml is very very small.  80-85% of the volume is simply nothing more than oil that is used to keep the drug suspended and from crashing back into a cystallized state. 

I believe most of the heart and health issues come from the amount of oil that being put in the body and it builds up over time.  For those people doing 4 grams of roids per week, I can't imagine the body eliminating all that oil that quickly.

Now take into account the rest of the "mix" that UGs are using in their products.  Higher levels of BB and BA just because you can't trust the Chinese raws half the time.  Some are adding EO to the mix in order to eliminate post inject pain.  Guaiacol.... and so on.  Ever seen what EO can do to a rubber stopper?  Draw up a shot of something made with it and leave it in the syringe for a day or two.  Then look at the stopper and you will see it is starting to dissolve.   Think your arteries and veins are more durable than rubber?

[CalvinH]

that blows...but at least you're still getting it in.

yeah cardio is super important. i have self imposed rules that kinda force me to live a non-lazy life.  my grocery store is 3 miles away, i don't take my car and do a huge once a week shopping.  i take me bike and my backpack, and get a day's food for the household.  the next day. my ass is on the bike going to get food yet again.  that's six miles a day minimum.  i bike to the gym, (1 mile each way) and use it for pretty much all the little bullshit errands that i can. there are exceptions of course, if my kid wants to come with me or i need to restock staples,etc.... but i think you see how it works. i leave the car in the driveway if it's doable

No more face plants on the bike


...I'm like Grape, cant fnking wait to get outside and trail run and hike....Groink I bet you would have blast doing an obstacle course race.

[tom joad]

well as  a 50 year old dude. my bp is 109/59 and my resting hr is 56-60 depending. that's at 226 pounds on 100 mgs test phenylprop,  200 mgs tren ace wk.

these are honest numbers not " i have to win" numbers.  i have no health issues whatsoever, i have a clean bill of health from my dr.   don't take any meds besides the occasional tums or advil.

i'm low dose all the way, always will be. i have never put 500 mg of gear in my body as a weekly dose. most was 400 for a month or two.

i think low dose and CARDIO are key.  i'm a cardio freak in my old age

yeah, but you just started juicing a couple of years ago, which might make a difference health-wise from a 50 year old guy who's been doing it on and off since say his 20s, 30s or early 40s.

[gettingbetter]

Low doses year round is a non issue. Plus the quality of life improvement you get far outweights the possible issues.

I think there are other aspects to the bodybuilding "life style" that are way more dangerous: abuse of pain killers, over eating, no cardio, not moving very much, using orals, gay4p etc.

Abuse is bad. I know most people want to look very huge but injecting 4 grams of steroids when your body produces about 100 mg a week is just playing with fire.

Besides, I'm with Groink and AJ: using 250 mg a week WILL get you good results in the long term (it will take years instead of weeks but worth it IMO). Frankly, I wish I had fallen to the dark side a couple of years ago. I probably would kept on lifting instead of getting discouraged and stopping to do cardio only instead.

I was wondering if I should stop but seeing my bloodwork immaculate (my cholesterol actually got lower, maybe because of the small amount of equi I am using, plus all of my joint pains are just gone... low dose equi is amazing, I'm taking 100 mg test/150 mgs equi a week, I know pussy dosage but works for ME), there is no reason to come off. ...

Plus, genetics is huge, biggest factor by far.

[kevthekid]

I think it completely depends on the type of steroids you use and how much you use

[Skorp1o]

yeah, but you just started juicing a couple of years ago, which might make a difference health-wise from a 50 year old guy who's been doing it on and off since say his 20s, 30s or early 40s.

Good point, a healthy 60 yr old starting trt would be a different guinea pig as opposed to someone who juiced in his 20s and now heading to the 60s. Even a juicer stating at 40 cannot be compared with someone who's 40 and got 20 years or so of juicing under the belt

[Overload]

Here is something to ponder on the flip side of the coin in regards to heart issues :

Obviously with huge cycles that people (not just pros) are doing, one can pretty much claim without argument that it is taking it's toil on the heart.  But is it the steroids themselves (compounds) or simply the huge amount of oil by product that is being pumped into the body and dispersed through the system?

The actual amount of steroids in 1ml is very very small.  80-85% of the volume is simply nothing more than oil that is used to keep the drug suspended and from crashing back into a cystallized state. 

I believe most of the heart and health issues come from the amount of oil that being put in the body and it builds up over time.  For those people doing 4 grams of roids per week, I can't imagine the body eliminating all that oil that quickly.

Now take into account the rest of the "mix" that UGs are using in their products.  Higher levels of BB and BA just because you can't trust the Chinese raws half the time.  Some are adding EO to the mix in order to eliminate post inject pain.  Guaiacol.... and so on.  Ever seen what EO can do to a rubber stopper?  Draw up a shot of something made with it and leave it in the syringe for a day or two.  Then look at the stopper and you will see it is starting to dissolve.   Think your arteries and veins are more durable than rubber?

Good point.

There is no doubt that taking steroids have an adverse effect on your health.  It all boils down to genetics, the dose/duration of use and the general health and well-being of the individual.  Healthy people who take steroids probably have nothing to worry about.

We can all bro-science our way out of believing the potential health risks or not.  Bottom line, they most certainly can and will cause health problems in the vast majority of people who use them.  Even more so on those that abuse them.

There is a huge gap in a healthy adult taking 100mg of Pharma Test and a unhealthy adult taking a mixture of compounds made from Chinese garbage in someones kitchen.

Is anything from China worth a shit?

I've spoken many times about having doubts about the safety of steroids and UGL compounds in general.  After 10+ years of using and abusing steroids; knowing hundreds of average gym rats and competitive "athletes"; there is no doubt in my mind that steroids cause health problems in the majority of users.  I'm living proof, I've seen my own bloodwork go to shit and rebound back to perfect.  There has never been a time in my life that using steroids did not have a negative impact on my blood work to "some" degree.

That being said, using low doses, doing blood work, good diet, cardio and generally being a healthy person; I'd say the risk isn't much.

[OlympiaGym]

It's all genetics.

[funk51]

  first guy that they attributed to dying young from steroids, his training partner was scared to death yet he still lives all these many years later.....