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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #875 on: October 20, 2016, 08:43:24 PM »
Too much doom and gloom. This election is a total circus. Usually people feel pretty "up" after the circus.

I don't see how Hillary and/or Trump voters (depending on who wins) are going to feel "up."  I will be very surprised if those supporters embrace the winner. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #876 on: October 20, 2016, 11:47:05 PM »
I don't see how Hillary and/or Trump voters (depending on who wins) are going to feel "up."  I will be very surprised if those supporters embrace the winner. 

F no.  Hillary needs to go prison. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #877 on: October 21, 2016, 03:01:42 AM »
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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #878 on: October 23, 2016, 10:24:10 AM »


Is it usual for the speaker to be booed at a roast? Seems there was very little laughter, mostly silence and occasional booing, especially following his Catholic reference.  At least he followed the script, reading every word of it, rarely looking up at the audience.

Here is the way to speak at a debate. The audience seems to appreciate HRC's comments with frequent applause.



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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #879 on: October 24, 2016, 03:47:58 PM »
Professor With History of Correctly Predicting Election Says Trump Will Win
By Brian Freeman   |    Monday, 24 Oct 2016

Despite the overwhelming consensus of pollsters and pundits that Democratic contender Hillary Clinton will win the election, one academic with a history of correctly predicting the past five presidential elections insisted to Fox News that Donald Trump will triumph Nov. 8.

Stony Brook University Professor Helmut Norpoth said he uses two models for his prediction, the first of which is the Primary Model, as "it usually turns out the candidate who does better in his party's primaries or her party's primaries beats the other guy who does less well."

In his website, Primary Model, Norpoth explains he used the primary races in South Carolina and New Hampshire, where Trump won and performed better than Clinton did in the Democratic race, because the results in the early primaries are the best indicators for the general election.

The second model, he explains, is called the Swing of the Pendulum, which he told "Fox & Friends" program "is the tendency after two terms of a White House party being in office that there is a change . . . which gives a prediction that Republicans are favored this year."

Norpoth is so convinced by his models he has backed up his prediction by buying shares in Trump in the Iowa Electronic Markets.

However, not all are convinced by his methods. As pointed out in Quora, the current social and economic context is quite different from earlier elections, and it is usually unwise to rely only on one predictive model, as opposed to synthesizing results from several different models.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Professor-History-Election-Prediction/2016/10/24/id/755027/#ixzz4O2srsP9R

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #880 on: October 24, 2016, 03:53:28 PM »
Clinton leads by 5 heading in to final two weeks
By Jennifer Agiesta, CNN Polling Director
Mon October 24, 2016

(CNN) — Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 5 points as the presidential campaign heads into its final two weeks, with the Democratic nominee's support just shy of the 50% mark, according to a new CNN/ORC poll.

Among likely voters, Clinton tops Trump 49% to 44%, with just 3% backing Libertarian Gary Johnson and 2% behind Green Party nominee Jill Stein.

With all three presidential debates now in the rear view mirror, both candidates appear to have consolidated some support among their core supporters. Clinton has expanded her edge among younger voters and non-whites, while Trump has boosted his support among the whites without college degrees who make up the majority of his supporters.

Read the complete CNN/ORC poll results

Clinton now stands at 53% among voters under age 45, compared with 47% in the previous CNN/ORC poll. In fact, the only age group where Clinton currently trails Trump is among those age 50-64, who back Trump by 4 points in this poll.

Clinton's support has also ticked up a few points among non-whites (72% back her now vs. 69% in a poll conducted just after the first debate, not a large enough change to be significant, but edges her margin over Trump among this group above 50 points).

Trump has gained a bit among white voters, edging up to 54% in the new poll from 49% support in the last poll. That gain is centered largely among white non-college voters, who break for Trump by a 62% to 32% margin, while white college grads continue to lean in Clinton's direction, favoring the former secretary of state by 11 points.

Trump backers are almost twice as likely as Clinton backers to consider illegal immigration a critical issue to their vote (52% among Trump supporters vs. 23% among Clinton backers), and are more apt to see terrorism (66% to 49%), Supreme Court nominations (58% to 46%), taxes (46% to 34%) and trade with other countries (40% to 29%) as extremely important than are Clinton supporters. Those voters backing Clinton are nearly four times as likely as Trump supporters to consider climate change a key issue (46% to 12%), and they are also more apt to prioritize health care (53% to 48%) and education (55% to 42%).

More broadly, Clinton is more often seen as having a clear vision for the country's future (49% to 42%), perhaps connected to a perception that she did a better job in the debates (61% to 29%).

Clinton also holds wide leads on having the better temperament to serve effectively as president (61% to 32%), being better able to handle the responsibilities of commander in chief (55% to 40%), and as a person you admire (42% Clinton to 29% Trump, though nearly 3-in-10, 28%, say they feel neither is a person they admire). The two are almost even on who is the stronger and more decisive leader, 48% say Clinton, 46% Trump.

The poll also shows Clinton narrowing the gap on honesty and trustworthiness, an issue where she trailed Trump by nearly 20 points among likely voters in early September. Now, 43% see Trump as more honest and trustworthy, 42% Clinton, a statistically insignificant gap. Still, 14% of likely voters say they see neither candidate as honest, a share that has held steady over that time.

Both continue to hold favorability ratings that tilt negative, with 52% holding an unfavorable view of Clinton and 57% a negative impression of Trump. About 6-in-10 likely voters say that recent controversies around each candidate raise questions about their character and ability to serve as president, with 62% saying that the way Clinton handled her email while serving as secretary of state raises those issues, while 59% say the same about the way Trump treats women.

The CNN/ORC Poll was conducted by telephone October 20-23 among a random national sample of 1,017 adults, including 779 who were determined to be likely voters. The margin of sampling error for results among the sample of likely voters is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/24/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-polls/index.html

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #881 on: October 24, 2016, 05:45:49 PM »
The above two posts are interesting. One thing the "professor" isn't considering is the impact of Trump's self destruction, especially in the last month or so. He's always been an outlier, but maybe he's alienated too many people to garner enough support at the polls (voting polls), not the predictive polls. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #882 on: October 24, 2016, 05:57:21 PM »
Exciting times. In just over a month we're going to have the first female president of the USA.

Just think about it, we're living in a time where arguably the 3 greatest super powers in the world, Germany, UK and USA are all run by women!

Exciting times indeed!

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #883 on: October 24, 2016, 06:17:12 PM »
Exciting times. In just over a month we're going to have the first female president of the USA.

Just think about it, we're living in a time where arguably the 3 greatest super powers in the world, Germany, UK and USA are all run by women!

Exciting times indeed!

Just over a month? I guess you mean November 28th.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #884 on: October 24, 2016, 06:19:15 PM »
Exciting times. In just over a month we're going to have the first female president of the USA.

Just think about it, we're living in a time where arguably the 3 greatest super powers in the world, Germany, UK and USA are all run by women!

Exciting times indeed!

And as HRC put it at the recent Roast, if she wins she will be the youngest U.S. woman president in history.....being that she will also be the first.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #885 on: October 24, 2016, 06:22:02 PM »
Just over a month? I guess you mean November 28th.

Actually, HRC won't be inaugurated until January 20th, 2017. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #886 on: October 24, 2016, 07:12:04 PM »
Actually, HRC won't be inaugurated until January 20th, 2017. 

Yep, fair point.

Although I'll take whatever odds that Trump will announce his new media empire before Hillary's inauguration.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #887 on: October 24, 2016, 07:13:16 PM »
And as HRC put it at the recent Roast, if she wins she will be the youngest U.S. woman president in history.....being that she will also be the first.

Who gives a flying crap ?  Honestly.   All this tokenism is for morons.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #888 on: October 24, 2016, 07:26:02 PM »
Who gives a flying crap ?  Honestly.   All this tokenism is for morons.

Didn't you vote Obama during his first election?

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #889 on: October 24, 2016, 08:18:44 PM »
Didn't you vote Obama during his first election?

F no.  I voted for Palin.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #890 on: October 25, 2016, 08:14:11 AM »
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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #891 on: October 25, 2016, 08:30:42 AM »
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Re: Election 2016
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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #893 on: October 26, 2016, 08:11:07 AM »
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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #894 on: October 27, 2016, 02:34:09 AM »


Love it! After over 30 years in public service HRC, has an impressive machine supporting her both leading up to election day and after. How effective it will be if congress is dominated by Republican's remains to be seen.

-Looks like Trump is waiting to be crushed in the cartoon.....does this reflect how he feels just two weeks before election day?

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #895 on: October 27, 2016, 02:52:25 AM »
Love it! After over 30 years in public service HRC, has an impressive machine supporting her both leading up to election day and after. How effective it will be if congress is dominated by Republican's remains to be seen.

-Looks like Trump is waiting to be crushed in the cartoon.....does this reflect how he feels just two weeks before election day?

"impressive" isn't the word that most would use to describe the Clinton Machine.
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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #896 on: October 27, 2016, 03:51:46 AM »
"impressive" isn't the word that most would use to describe the Clinton Machine.

Perhaps you are correct and perhaps not. It is nearly impossible to factually know what "most" other people say, let alone how other people think. Some people go with the flow in order to avoid political disagreements. There is nothing preventing people from fibbing or changing their mind from what they say and what they actually believe.

As is often pointed out here, polls are not infallible for the very reason mentioned above. That is why it is correct to say anything can change on election day.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #897 on: October 27, 2016, 06:32:56 AM »

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #899 on: October 27, 2016, 07:00:06 AM »
Former FBI DIRECTOR ENDORSES TRUMP DESPISES CLINTON