2015 New York Auto Show - new models released

[Bevo]

Agree on all points.

The cts-v is an American M5 with better looks IMO.  Most likely more reliable electronics and far lower cost of ownership once outside factory warranty.  The headlights are defining feature.  This car is hands down best American sedan ever manufactured.  Seems like neither the customers nor dealer network are prepared to capitalize on it.

I don't know about that from a handful of friends that had caddys and family of bmw and other cars the BMW's esp M cars were very reliable. Not so much Caddys...

[Bevo]

People on bimmerpost's M2 board are talking about cross shopping the M2 and Focus RS, and the Golf R. Word is (from the inside) that there will be high performance Fusion as well.
I agree on all your previous points.

I don't know why people are cross shoping esp m2 and RS. The 2 cars are completely different , me personally of course would still go with M2 for rwd

Fuck it im gonna order a orange gt3 RS or maybe a cayman gt4 cause it's cheaper 

[Parker]

I don't know why people are cross shoping esp m2 and RS. The 2 cars are completely different , me personally of course would still go with M2 for rwd

Fuck it im gonna order a orange gt3 RS or maybe a cayman gt4 cause it's cheaper 

what's funny is the M2 ain't even out yet  . DOP of November 15, 2015.
I think what people (and you) are wanting are "driver's cars". Cars that people can drive and enjoy. The super/hyper/mega cars, are now in a class, where it's more "I have more money than talent"...
Chris Harris did an article on that.

But, that CTS-V and ATS-V, though...

[APE907]

I don't know about that from a handful of friends that had caddys and family of bmw and other cars the BMW's esp M cars were very reliable. Not so much Caddys...

Take my opinion with grain of salt.....I have prejudice against German luxury brands that I feel are over engineered for engineering sake and laden with technology that often has not been well thought out (bmw vanos Vs vtech or vvti for example).   When a German car is running it is one of the nicest vehicles to be driving. However, the older I get the more I value low cost of ownership and headache free driving without being nickel and dimed by vehicle.

I am not totally comfortable taking a quality stand for Cadillac, however if/when something goes wrong I would much rather fix car from GM parts bin than any M or AMG series ride.

[Parker]

Take my opinion with grain of salt.....I have prejudice against German luxury brands that I feel are over engineered for engineering sake and laden with technology that often has not been well thought out (bmw vanos Vs vtech or vvti for example).   When a German car is running it is one of the nicest vehicles to be driving. However, the older I get the more I value low cost of ownership and headache free driving without being nickel and dimed by vehicle.

I am not totally comfortable taking a quality stand for Cadillac, however if/when something goes wrong I would much rather fix car from GM parts bin than any M or AMG series ride.

There is talk about the German "engineering myth". That the Germans have two types of "over engineering". One type is that they make the item/technology so complicated, to show off their prowess, and use the customers as guinea pigs, yet the items/technology are unreliable. And the other type is engineerig the item/technology to be simple and reliable. The Japanese do this by either waiting until the Germans get the bugs out it, and the. The Japanese refine it. And or use Toyota customers as guinea pigs before they debut it on Lexus models.

[APE907]

There is talk about the German "engineering myth". That the Germans have two types of "over engineering". One type is that they make the item/technology so complicated, to show off their prowess, and use the customers as guinea pigs, yet the items/technology are unreliable. And the other type is engineerig the item/technology to be simple and reliable. The Japanese do this by either waiting until the Germans get the bugs out it, and the. The Japanese refine it. And or use Toyota customers as guinea pigs before they debut it on Lexus models.

All valid points.  My feeling is that German engineers fall into the "show off" category a lot of the time.  I cannot deny I love their cars, but you won't ever find one in my garage.  A lot of the Italian and Euro stuff reminds me of a super hot PITA chick or a smokin' porn star......a lot of fun for a weekend but not wife material.

The Japanese philosophy of Kaizen (constant improvement) is exemplified by Toyota and Honda products.  Unfortunately, the Asians do not typically build vehicles with much appeal to the consumers' emotional/passionate side.  Never was a slogan more appropriate to a brand than Lexus' "Relentless pursuit of perfection".......the downside is the vehicles can feel a bit soulless and devoid of excitement.  The F series of cars is a step in the right direction to appeal to enthusiasts.....even if it still is considered a couple of steps behind the M machines.

[Costanza]

Parker-San I just got a new high flowed titanium core turbo for the Audi. It's now pushing 400+hp and spins all four wheels in second gear, you'd love it.

[Bevo]

All valid points.  My feeling is that German engineers fall into the "show off" category a lot of the time.  I cannot deny I love their cars, but you won't ever find one in my garage.  A lot of the Italian and Euro stuff reminds me of a super hot PITA chick or a smokin' porn star......a lot of fun for a weekend but not wife material.

The Japanese philosophy of Kaizen (constant improvement) is exemplified by Toyota and Honda products.  Unfortunately, the Asians do not typically build vehicles with much appeal to the consumers' emotional/passionate side.  Never was a slogan more appropriate to a brand than Lexus' "Relentless pursuit of perfection".......the downside is the vehicles can feel a bit soulless and devoid of excitement.  The F series of cars is a step in the right direction to appeal to enthusiasts.....even if it still is considered a couple of steps behind the M machines.

Go drive an LFA or at least be a passenger of one  

Funny u mention "soul" cause German cars are viewed as soulless compared to Italians. Very mundane, purposeful machinary

Soul and the use of that word in cars is soooo overrated

[Bevo]

Take my opinion with grain of salt.....I have prejudice against German luxury brands that I feel are over engineered for engineering sake and laden with technology that often has not been well thought out (bmw vanos Vs vtech or vvti for example).   When a German car is running it is one of the nicest vehicles to be driving. However, the older I get the more I value low cost of ownership and headache free driving without being nickel and dimed by vehicle.

I am not totally comfortable taking a quality stand for Cadillac, however if/when something goes wrong I would much rather fix car from GM parts bin than any M or AMG series ride.

With people with money it really doesn't matter, talking about real high rollers

But to average people reliability does matter and u are right about parts for euros compared to any other brands like american and japanese

[APE907]

Go drive an LFA or at least be a passenger of one  

Funny u mention "soul" cause German cars are viewed as soulless compared to Italians. Very mundane, purposeful machinary

Soul and the use of that word in cars is soooo overrated

Agree about LFA but it is also a super low volume halo car.  I agree about "soul" being overused and cornball.....but reality is I read it in every enthusiast publication.  I kind of get what they are saying but also hear where you are coming from.

I'm a fan of Japanese engineering through and through.....always Japanese performance bikes and Toyota cars what I prefer.  Beginning to think the Koreans are nipping at the Japanese heels....the new Hyundai Genesis very interesting.  The Kia K900 might be luxury car used bargain of the decade in a few years....I don't think consumers will see Kia as a luxury nameplate which will result in accelerated depreciation for used examples.

I'm a big believer that the higher a price tag of a car, the less that should go wrong with it.....this isn't the case sadly.  Being single father, I need to choose something that has reasonable running costs.  I deeply admire Toyota and Honda engineering for its durability and price/quality ratio.....even if it isn't most exciting choice most of the time.

[The_Punisher]

Geezus, How many version of the new Ford Mustang are we gonna see?......shit, I hope they don't saturate the market with these....there is already The Galpin Rocket seen here in Black, and the Saleen is ready to Rock as well....and we haven't seen the Roush Version, the Shelby GT500 yet.....GOODNESS GRACIOUS

[Parker]

Parker-San I just got a new high flowed titanium core turbo for the Audi. It's now pushing 400+hp and spins all four wheels in second gear, you'd love it.

Damn....
Zoom, by Lionel Ritchie!!!

Geezus, How many version of the new Ford Mustang are we gonna see?......shit, I hope they don't saturate the market with these....there is already The Galpin Rocket seen here in Black, and the Saleen is ready to Rock as well....and we haven't seen the Roush Version, the Shelby GT500 yet.....GOODNESS GRACIOUS

Mustang is like the 911, so many versions, special editions...

Go drive an LFA or at least be a passenger of one 

Funny u mention "soul" cause German cars are viewed as soulless compared to Italians. Very mundane, purposeful machinary

Soul and the use of that word in cars is soooo overrated

Mercedes V8s seem to capture that raucous American V8 vibe.
Even the new 4.0 Turbo V8 sounds like a beast. It's odd how Mercedes-AMG can make their turbo cars sound good, BMW and Audi have a harder time with it.

[The_Punisher]

Damn....
Zoom, by Lionel Ritchie!!!Mustang is like the 911, so many versions, special editions...
Mercedes V8s seem to capture that raucous American V8 vibe.
Even the new 4.0 Turbo V8 sounds like a beast. It's odd how Mercedes-AMG can make their turbo cars sound good, BMW and Audi have a harder time with it.

Shelby will still Hold their value more than any other editions outthere

[Bevo]

Shelby will still Hold their value more than any other editions outthere

If I was in the market for a special edition mustang the Shelby is the only one I'll consider. Gt350

[BIG ACH]

Geezus, How many version of the new Ford Mustang are we gonna see?......shit, I hope they don't saturate the market with these....there is already The Galpin Rocket seen here in Black, and the Saleen is ready to Rock as well....and we haven't seen the Roush Version, the Shelby GT500 yet.....GOODNESS GRACIOUS

I think they replaced that this year with the Shelby GT350

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/features/#page=Feature4

[Palumboism]

Autoblog April 9, 2015

Mark Reuss On fixing the Malibu:

"We can't miss. We can't have those kinds of misses [like the previous generation] on our cars and crossovers and trucks. We can't do that. If we do that, we give a reason for someone to go buy something else. It's that simple.

"On a car like the Malibu we have a chance to really fix all of that, which we have, and then lead. Then you've got a real opportunity there. So that's what we've really been focused on here – to fix those things."

He later added:

"We need that car here to transform Chevrolet desperately because it's the heart of the market. And when you think of Chevrolet, people will come back and think about what we did with the [new] Malibu and the Cruze... It's hugely important to us."

[Snip]

The launch of the 2016 Malibu is critical for GM.  The old Malibu was a huge flop (7th place).  My impressions of the the new car are that it's an improvement, but not good enough to crack top four.  Meaning the Camry, Accord, Altima, and Fusion will still remain on top.  

The Malibu more than any car shows just how far GM has fallen.

[Palumboism]

I think it's difficult for most people to remember how dominant GM was for over sixty years.  Here's a comparison to the top 10 sales in 1980 to 2015. GM went from 7 in the top ten to 1.

1980
1. Chevrolet Citation 374,706
2. Chevrolet Chevette 373,988
3. Ford Fairmont 285,272
4. Chevrolet Malibu 267,732
5. Chevy Impala/Caprice 261,819
6. Toyota Corolla 257,315
7. Ford Mustang 225,290
8. Oldsmobile Cutlass 210,784
9. Buick Regal 199,207
10.Volkswagen Rabbit 177,118


2015 (March)
#1    Ford F-Series    67,706
#2    Chevrolet Silverado    45,193
#3    Ram P/U    41,595
#4    Toyota Camry    40,800
#5   Toyota Corolla    35,532
#6   Nissan Altima    31,993
#7   Ford Fusion    29,044
#8   Hyundai Elantra    28,794
#9   Honda CR-V    27,618
#10   Nissan Rogue    27,418