Insulin and diuretic use = F'n crazy

[Howard]

If you ever saw a diabetic have their blood sugar crash, you'd NEVER use 'slin for bodybuilding.
Diuretic use is the other drug that can put you in the ER.

Steroids and HGH may have some side effects, BUT you won't suddenly drop dead from using them.
BUT, any mistake with slin or diuretics can put a bodybuilding OUT. That's just plain crazy.

[Simple Simon]

If you ever saw a diabetic have their blood sugar crash, you'd NEVER use 'slin for bodybuilding.
Diuretic use is the other drug that can put you in the ER.

Steroids and HGH may have some side effects, BUT you won't suddenly drop dead from using them.
BUT, any mistake with slin or diuretics can put a bodybuilding OUT. That's just plain crazy.

and shooting upwards of 13 grams of gear plus shooting peptides 4 times a day isnt?

[Wiggs]

Howard, you're were a judge and know judges control who wins and who doesn't.  You have a problem, talk to Manion, Weinberger or anyone else rewarding these ugly insulin physiques.

[Howard]

and shooting upwards of 13 grams of gear plus shooting peptides 4 times a day isnt?

Obviously, I'd think any extreme drug use is nuts.
BUT, the difference is it doesn't take a lot of slin to drop some meathead into a coma , he may not come back from.

[Simple Simon]

Obviously, I'd think any extreme drug use is nuts.
BUT, the difference is it doesn't take a lot of slin to drop some meathead into a coma , he may not come back from.

seriously, who cares, we are unlikely to be losing someone whos going to come up with a cancer cure.

[Howard]

Howard, you're were a judge and know judges control who wins and who doesn't.  You have a problem, talk to Manion, Weinberger or anyone else rewarding these ugly insulin physiques.

I quit judging when MPD  became an official division at the NPC  Ga state.
Jim Manion wrote an open judging directive letter 10 years ago, known as the Manion " belly ban".
If Manion's edict couldn't change it, my opinions have ZERO impact.

[ritch]

again,, it's the abuse of slin that messes things up guys... Slin is a great muscle builder.

[240 is Back]

There are people out there who drink a 2-liter of Coca-Cola every day.

Those who fly winged suits between mountain peaks or skydive off skyscrapers.

I'd say insulin and igf/hgh use isn't all that maddening.

[Wiggs]

I quit judging when MPD  became an official division at the NPC  Ga state.
Jim Manion wrote an open judging directive letter 10 years ago, known as the Manion " belly ban".
If Manion's edict couldn't change it, my opinions have ZERO impact.

Howard, please explain to me how Manion can't change it.  He's the head of the judges.  That's bullshit.
I'm not sayin he's pro-gut.  He's clearly not doing enough to change it and I hope Arnold puts him, Weinberger and anyone else on blast every year because this isn't going away and after listening to PBW with Two-Face Bob Chick, Dan Solomon and Weinberger, Weinberger was quite butt hurt for his boss.  Manion has done alot, I'm not doubting that.  There's alot of correcting that needs to be done. ALOT.  Starting with the guts.

[ritch]

There are people out there who drink a 2-liter of Coca-Cola every day.

Those who fly winged suits between mountain peaks or skydive off skyscrapers.

I'd say insulin and igf/hgh use isn't all that maddening.

STop, STOP IT! You are being to logical for this to continue and be understood...

[Howard]

Howard, please explain to me how Manion can't change it.  He's the head of the judges.  That's bullshit.
I'm not sayin he's pro-gut.  He's clearly not doing enough to change it and I hope Arnold puts him, Weinberger and anyone else on blast every year because this isn't going away and after listening to PBW with Two-Face Bob Chick, Dan Solomon and Weinberger, Weinberger was quite butt hurt for his boss.  Manion has done alot, I'm not doubting that.  There's alot of correcting that needs to be done. ALOT.  Starting with the guts.

I no longer judge and lack the energy or desire to try to change policy at this point in my BB life.
I've got plenty to do just trying to lose fat and stay on my diet now.

My OP was that slin and diuretics were a LOT riskier then most drugs. I stick with that view.

[Howard]

There are people out there who drink a 2-liter of Coca-Cola every day.

Those who fly winged suits between mountain peaks or skydive off skyscrapers.

I'd say insulin and igf/hgh use isn't all that maddening.

That's true. BUT it doesn't relate to BB unless they start flying  to the stage by leaping off a tall bldg.

[Wiggs]

I no longer judge and lack the energy or desire to try to change policy at this point in my BB life.
I've got plenty to do just trying to lose fat and stay on my diet now.

My OP was that slin and diuretics were a LOT riskier then most drugs. I stick with that view.

That's great Howard. Can you please answer my original question?  Please explain why Manion can't change the judging? Perhaps there needs to be new judges.  Who are these judges?  Why isn't the IFBB Rulebook adhered to regarding the judging of the male physique in pro bodybuilding?

[Howard]

That's great Howard. Can you please answer my original question?  Please explain why Manion can't change the judging? Perhaps there needs to be new judges.  Who are these judges?  Why isn't the IFBB Rulebook adhered to regarding the judging of the male physique in pro bodybuilding?

In brief, I'm not judging any longer and don't know the answer.
Ask a current IFBB judge or official?

I'm happier just being a fan and working out,. doing my own thing now.
I'd love to be lean enough to be on stage again in a masters over 50 contest.
I stopped worrying about judging, rules , etc.

[240 is Back]

That's true. BUT it doesn't relate to BB unless they start flying  to the stage by leaping off a tall bldg.

Most bodybuilders I've met know their bodies pretty well.   The diabetic chugging mountain dew 24/7 or the speed-freak jumping from mouontains wearing a wing-suit are usually far less healthy.

Briefly calculating a 12 week run with this stimulant or a 5-month run with this hormone, getting bloodwork, tracking it... these guys know their health much better than the others, I'd say.  Sure, you get the idiot 20 year olds that go on a cycle and don't come off til they're 23 and they get sick, but they usually wash out fast.  We've seen a lot of them in the gym.  Guys are invincble for 2 years then suddenly they look like shit for the rest of their lives, bald and estrogen-y forevermore.

[Wiggs]

In brief, I'm not judging any longer and don't know the answer.
Ask a current IFBB judge or official?

I'm happier just being a fan and working out,. doing my own thing now.
I'd love to be lean enough to be on stage again in a masters over 50 contest.
I stopped worrying about judging, rules , etc.

Howard, you're dodging the question.  I'm asking you as a Getbig member and a fan of the sport, not a judge.  If you're afraid to respond because certain people will see it then just say so and I'll leave you alone about it.  But you're clearly avoiding answering the question and you're one of the few that have insight we don't.

[Howard]

Howard, you're dodging the question.  I'm asking you as a Getbig member and a fan of the sport, not a judge.  If you're afraid to respond because certain people will see it then just say so and I'll leave you alone about it.  But you're clearly avoiding answering the question and you're one of the few that have insight we don't.

Wiggs, if I had any new factual info on judging standards and rules, I'd post it.
NOBODY in the NPC /IFBB told me to keep quiet  (or anything else for that matter).
I haven't competed in 19 years, so I'm not afraid of what someone in the sport thinks of me.

The truth is, I no longer have the energy or desire to dig into any of this.
Now bodybuilding is more fun and I'm enjoying it as a fun hobby.

[lilhawk1]

The danger of insulin is way overblown.  It's simple, take in enough carbs to cover the slin.  Working in the medical setting, trust me there are millions of diabetics, a lot of them aren't very bright, it is somewhat of a rarity to see hypoglycemic episodes.  Sure if you're a total idiot, not prepared, and don't know how to read a slin syringe, then yeah, you might go hypo, but there are symptoms, you don't just feel great one minute then drop dead the next.  When/if you feel the onset of hypoglycemia, then take in some simple sugar.  Not very hard to do if you walk upright.  Diuretics are simply not needed if you've dieted correctly and properly manipulated your sodium/water.  You'll look worse if you use them typically.

[ritch]

The danger of insulin is way overblown.  It's simple, take in enough carbs to cover the slin.  Working in the medical setting, trust me there are millions of diabetics, a lot of them aren't very bright, it is somewhat of a rarity to see hypoglycemic episodes.  Sure if you're a total idiot, not prepared, and don't know how to read a slin syringe, then yeah, you might go hypo, but there are symptoms, you don't just feel great one minute then drop dead the next.  When/if you feel the onset of hypoglycemia, then take in some simple sugar.  Not very hard to do if you walk upright.

It it possible to have this stickied???

[spiro]

We had a dude on the football team who was a type 1. Once in awhile we would find him passed out in the shower or something. Funny he was the most developed guys on the team. Now that I think back he must of been using it to his advantage.

[liquid_c]

Insulin IMO is the single most overrated compound in bodybuilding.  It is sure not for everyone.  If you are someone who puts on weight very easy and aren't one of the rare ones that stays extremely lean while doing it...  You will just most likely end up putting on a lot of extra fat with a bit fuller muscles and nothing more.   Just because some pro can take it with great results doesn't mean you will.     

[ritch]

Insulin IMO is the single most overrated compound in bodybuilding.  It is sure not for everyone.  If you are someone who puts on weight very easy and aren't one of the rare ones that stays extremely lean while doing it...  You will just most likely end up putting on a lot of extra fat with a bit fuller muscles and nothing more.   Just because some pro can take it with great results doesn't mean you will.     

could say that about any bb'ing drug.
and a guy who is not meant to respond to slin is not meant to be pro. If if does go pro, will not be top of the food chain...

[Van_Bilderass]

Insulin is very safe, in an acute sense. Ask around Howard.
The milder diuretics same thing.

[The Wizard of Truth]

I went hypo a few times but through my own laziness. Have carbs to hand and don't be a retard and insulin won't kill u