Author Topic: Who had the better physique - Shawn ray or Dexter jackson? (Read 50786 times)

The Abdominal Snoman · « **Reply #25 on:** April 07, 2015, 12:22:50 AM »

As time goes by, Shawn Ray and Rich Gaspari's physique's are looking less and less impressive...Shawn's total lack of quad sweep and his overall narrowness really shows as time goes by.

Royalty · « **Reply #26 on:** April 07, 2015, 01:18:34 AM »

Dexter def wins all of the back poses against Shawn

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 07, 2015, 04:23:15 AM »

Shawn Ray vs.Dexter Jackson head to head battles-3:0.Fact!

Royalty · « **Reply #28 on:** April 07, 2015, 05:39:26 AM »

Quote from: Tarantula157 on April 07, 2015, 04:23:15 AM

Shawn Ray vs.Dexter Jackson head to head battles-3:0.Fact!

True.

Dexter peaked way after Shawn Retired.

njflex · « **Reply #29 on:** April 07, 2015, 05:46:51 AM »

Quote from: hardgainerj on April 06, 2015, 09:07:55 PM

shawn ray was the master of this pose ,kev looked great too but it showcased his delts/arms moreso,ray it was the whole balance,ray could also hit a good crab pose too ,dex does a great crab pose/and looks pretty good in the 'shawn'mm as well.

Bevo · « **Reply #30 on:** April 07, 2015, 05:56:58 AM »

Chest - tie
Back - Dexter
Legs - shawn
Calves - shawn
Arms - Dexter
Shoulders - Dexter
Abs - tie

At thier primes Dexter is better

Bevo · « **Reply #31 on:** April 07, 2015, 06:00:50 AM »

The blade

njflex · « **Reply #32 on:** April 07, 2015, 06:04:05 AM »

Quote from: Bevo on April 07, 2015, 06:00:50 AM

The blade

INSANE,ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE FRONT DOUBI SHOT SHAWN HAS IS THE MIDSECTION 'SHAPE'.DEX ARMS ARE NUTS.

Bevo · « **Reply #33 on:** April 07, 2015, 06:22:00 AM »

Quote from: njflex on April 07, 2015, 06:04:05 AM

INSANE,ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE FRONT DOUBI SHOT SHAWN HAS IS THE MIDSECTION 'SHAPE'.DEX ARMS ARE NUTS.

True

People always talk about phil and arms but they don't realize how good of arms Dex has. I've seen him in person and they are much better than shawns and I've seen shawn when he was training out of golds in fullerton

Tarantula157 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 07, 2015, 07:35:06 AM »

Quote from: Royalty on April 07, 2015, 05:39:26 AM

True.

Dexter peaked way after Shawn Retired.

Kind of like Dorian and Ronnie situation.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #35 on:** April 07, 2015, 08:47:14 AM »

Quote from: hardgainerj on April 06, 2015, 09:07:55 PM

Reality check

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #36 on:** April 07, 2015, 08:59:33 AM »

Quote from: Royalty on April 07, 2015, 01:18:34 AM

Dexter def wins all of the back poses against Shawn

Dexter is wider , heavier and just as shredded. Dexter's lat spreads blow Shawn's out of the water

Wiggs · « **Reply #37 on:** April 07, 2015, 09:07:22 AM »

Quote from: Bevo on April 07, 2015, 05:56:58 AM

Chest - tie
Back - Dexter
Legs - shawn
Calves - shawn
Arms - Dexter
Shoulders - Dexter
Abs - tie

At thier primes Dexter is better

Their chests are not tied. Shawn destroys Dexter. If you take them both at their best, I still have to go with Shawn. Obviously Dexter has had the better career but Shawn is the more complete bodybuilder.

calfzilla · « **Reply #38 on:** April 07, 2015, 09:21:58 AM »

I don't see how anyone can say Dexter over Shawn. No disrespect to Dex but Shawn was better and from a time period when bodybuilders were just better.

dyslexic · « **Reply #39 on:** April 07, 2015, 09:23:11 AM »

Shawn looked good in his posing routines

Shawn looked good alone

Shawn disappeared by the giants

Shawn's posing though... they say Ed Corney had that and still does, but Shawn has to have been one of the most copied posers of all time. He was very polished, fluid and graceful in his posing. He made himself look good in every pose.

When I saw other competitors try to emulate him, it was always horrid.

I suppose Shawn's qualities were just something that can't really be compared to another's... which is why he is where he is today.

If I had a physique to chose for myself back in that day, it would have been his over Flex Wheelers or any of the other guys.

Prior to that, it would have been Zane's ... regardless of his supposed lack of size.

Both of those guys were highly symmetrical and very successful.. even today.

As far as a favorite today? I like Flex Lewis. He has some awesomeness going on. They like to compare him to Lee, but again, I see it here and there, but Lee was also in a class of his own. Lee Priest could stand with the giants without a problem, as could Labrada.

Hmmmmmm.....

Labrada. Another favorite.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #40 on:** April 07, 2015, 09:38:38 AM »

Quote from: calfzilla on April 07, 2015, 09:21:58 AM

I don't see how anyone can say Dexter over Shawn. No disrespect to Dex but Shawn was better and from a time period when bodybuilders were just better.

Dexter kills him in more poses. Shawn isn't thouching Dexter in either latspread or back double biceps , or side chest , or most muscular. Dexter is bigger by far at about the same height

Howard · « **Reply #41 on:** April 07, 2015, 09:42:39 AM »

Quote from: Bevo on April 06, 2015, 08:35:55 PM

No that's not true, he tried going 215 and his condition suffered , prob why he always competed at 210 to play it safe

Dexter was bigger and WON every major title , Shawn didn't = no comparison, Dex for the win.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #42 on:** April 07, 2015, 09:46:57 AM »

Quote from: Bevo on April 06, 2015, 08:35:55 PM

No that's not true, he tried going 215 and his condition suffered , prob why he always competed at 210 to play it safe

He was supposedly 205 not 210 and I bet he was probably 200. Shawn weighed 201lbs in 1988 at the Olympia I doubt he ever got higher than that , maybe 205lbs

Wiggs · « **Reply #43 on:** April 07, 2015, 09:53:05 AM »

Shawn competed in the most competitive era in bodybuilding. This is how he did in the biggest show.

Shawn Ray

1988 Mr. Olympia – 13th Place
1990 Mr. Olympia – 3rd Place
1991 Mr. Olympia – 5th Place
1992 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place
1993 Mr. Olympia – 3rd Place
1994 Mr. Olympia – 2nd Place
1995 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place
1996 Mr. Olympia – 2nd Place
1997 Mr. Olympia – 3rd Place
1998 Mr. Olympia – 5th Place
1999 Mr. Olympia – 5th Place
2000 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place
2001 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place

This is how Dexter did in a less competitive era in Olympias.

Dexter Jackson

1999 Mr. Olympia, 9th
2000 Mr. Olympia, 9th
2001 Mr. Olympia, 8th
2002 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2003 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
2004 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2006 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2007 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
2008 Mr. Olympia, 1st
2009 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
2010 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2011 Mr. Olympia, 6th
2012 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2013 Mr. Olympia, 5th
2014 Mr. Olympia, 5th

Though Dexter has the Olympia win and an overall better competition record. A valid argument can be made that Shawn was a better bodybuilder. He's more complete than Dexter. If you put them next to each other you begin to see the wholes in Dexter's physique. I'd rather look like Shawn Ray but have Dexter's record.

njflex · « **Reply #44 on:** April 07, 2015, 09:56:12 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on April 07, 2015, 09:53:05 AM

Shawn competed in the most competitive era in bodybuilding. This is how he did in the biggest show.

Shawn Ray

1988 Mr. Olympia – 13th Place
1990 Mr. Olympia – 3rd Place
1991 Mr. Olympia – 5th Place
1992 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place
1993 Mr. Olympia – 3rd Place
1994 Mr. Olympia – 2nd Place
1995 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place
1996 Mr. Olympia – 2nd Place
1997 Mr. Olympia – 3rd Place
1998 Mr. Olympia – 5th Place
1999 Mr. Olympia – 5th Place
2000 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place
2001 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place

This is how Dexter did in a less competitive era in Olympias.

Dexter Jackson

1999 Mr. Olympia, 9th
2000 Mr. Olympia, 9th
2001 Mr. Olympia, 8th
2002 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2003 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
2004 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2006 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2007 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
2008 Mr. Olympia, 1st
2009 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
2010 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2011 Mr. Olympia, 6th
2012 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2013 Mr. Olympia, 5th
2014 Mr. Olympia, 5th

Though Dexter has the Olympia win and an overall better competition record. A valid argument can be made that Shawn was a better bodybuilder. He's more complete than Dexter. If you put them next to each other you begin to see the wholes in Dexter's physique. I'd rather look like Shawn Ray but have Dexter's record.

13 TOP 5'S TO 11..CLOSE ,,DEX DID MORE OVERALL SHOWS THO,,,

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #45 on:** April 07, 2015, 09:58:08 AM »

Quote from: Wiggs on April 07, 2015, 09:53:05 AM

Shawn competed in the most competitive era in bodybuilding. This is how he did in the biggest show.

Shawn Ray

1988 Mr. Olympia – 13th Place
1990 Mr. Olympia – 3rd Place
1991 Mr. Olympia – 5th Place
1992 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place
1993 Mr. Olympia – 3rd Place
1994 Mr. Olympia – 2nd Place
1995 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place
1996 Mr. Olympia – 2nd Place
1997 Mr. Olympia – 3rd Place
1998 Mr. Olympia – 5th Place
1999 Mr. Olympia – 5th Place
2000 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place
2001 Mr. Olympia – 4th Place

This is how Dexter did in a less competitive era in Olympias.

Dexter Jackson

1999 Mr. Olympia, 9th
2000 Mr. Olympia, 9th
2001 Mr. Olympia, 8th
2002 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2003 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
2004 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2006 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2007 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
2008 Mr. Olympia, 1st
2009 Mr. Olympia, 3rd
2010 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2011 Mr. Olympia, 6th
2012 Mr. Olympia, 4th
2013 Mr. Olympia, 5th
2014 Mr. Olympia, 5th

Though Dexter has the Olympia win and an overall better competition record. A valid argument can be made that Shawn was a better bodybuilder. He's more complete than Dexter. If you put them next to each other you begin to see the wholes in Dexter's physique.

No valid argument can be made that Shawn was a better bodybuilder NONE Dexter has more pro wins and has an Olympia , Shawn isn't more ' complete ' either. You keep asserting this and never proved it.

Dexter 21 pro victories including the big one

Shawn 2 pro victories

There is NO way in HELL Shawn is on Dexter's level.

JasonH · « **Reply #46 on:** April 07, 2015, 10:00:40 AM »

Dexter is the better bodybuilder overall but I would rather look more like Shawn any day.

Wiggs · « **Reply #47 on:** April 07, 2015, 10:02:49 AM »

Quote from: njflex on April 07, 2015, 09:56:12 AM

13 TOP 5'S TO 11..CLOSE ,,DEX DID MORE OVERALL SHOWS THO,,,

I agree. Dex is cool I just prefer Shawn's look over Dexter. Shawn was more complete. Dexter has high lats, no calves and a weak chest. His BDB lacks detail compared to the greats also. Shawn was a little narrow but not Phil Heath narrow and his back lacked density. One could argue he could use more quad sweep as well. Shawn appears to have thinner skin and his skin tone, vascularity, and separation was better than Dex. Dex has thicker skin but is still shredded.

calfzilla · « **Reply #48 on:** April 07, 2015, 10:03:47 AM »

Would rather look like Shawn too.

Dex is good but he competed in a pretty shitty era, just ronnie was good.
Plus he looks like a turtle, has high lats and zero calves.

Shawn competed against many greats and was more complete.

Wiggs · « **Reply #49 on:** April 07, 2015, 10:08:35 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on April 07, 2015, 09:58:08 AM

No valid argument can be made that Shawn was a better bodybuilder NONE Dexter has more pro wins and has an Olympia , Shawn isn't more ' complete ' either. You keep asserting this and never proved it.

Dexter 21 pro victories including the big one

Shawn 2 pro victories

There is NO way in HELL Shawn is on Dexter's level.

Aint gettin' into it with you today. Keep it movin. You talk that shit about Dexter and Shawn with pro victories but if I point out that Ronnie has more Olympias than Dorian then you'll change the argument to winning percentage. You change arguments to fit your agenda I've been over this with you for several years. LOL Shawn not on Dexter's level and Shawn beat him every time they competed against each other, yeah, ok bro

. Let me guess, not a prime Dex right? Kinda like not a prime Coleman against Dorian. Get outta here. I destroy your logic and reasoning everytime we do this. You've had a hardon against Shawn for the last month. Shawn Ray was not overrated He was right where he belongs.