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I'm sure this question has been asked countless times and I don't think there has even been an obvious solution. It'd be great to use the Mr. Olympias as examples but in my opinion the best man has not always won for whatever reason(s) but that's another story. I remember an interview I saw on youtube with Rick Drasin, he had Joe Weider on as a guest and even Joe stated he didn't like the direction men's bodybuilding was going. See the following video of from 3:00 to 6:00.





I don't remember Joe ever actually saying it or printing it but I'm guessing Joe's favorite physique all time is probably Arnold. And the IFBB Rulebook here: http://www.ifbb.com/wp-content/uploads/Mens_Bodybuilding_Rules_2014.pdf Section 10.2 of the 2014 rulebook states 10.2 Assessing the Male Physique:
In assessing prejudging, overall shape and that of the various muscle groups is
important. The judge should favour competitors with a harmonious, classical physique.
The judge should look for good posture and athletic bearing, correct anatomical
structure (including body framework, broad shoulders, high chest, correct spinal curves,
limbs and trunk in good proportion, straight legs, not bandy or knock- kneed).
The judge should also look for good skin tone with an absence of surgical or other
scars, spots, acne or tattoos, which the IFBB considers as a skin blemish, tidily dressed
hair, well-shaped feet, and toes. When having difficulty in placing two or more
competitors who seem to be on the same level, the judge should look for faults in those
aspects listed above which will help to differentiate among the competitors.
Detail description of the men’s Mandatory Poses may be found in Appendix 1 to this section.



"A Harmonious, classical physique". This disqualifies about 90% of the IFBB Pros including the 212 guys. And just about all of the top 10 from the Mr. Olympia since Shawn Ray retired in 01 (correction, Cedric McMillan). This includes Ronnie, Jay, Dorian, Phil at his higher weight, Jay. My point is, shit is fucked up and it's been fucked up for a while. There is a very good rulebook that just needs to be adhered to that the head of IFBB could direct everyone to follow to the "t" or get fired. So there is a solution.  Anyway, keeping Joe's dream alive I would imagine he would want a guy like Cedric McMillian (in shape of course) to have the ideal physique to day. He'd be a modern day Arnold.  He's big but he looks athletic. He has great proportion and structure. He's not grotesque to the eye.  For other examples I'd go Lee Haney, Flex Wheeler and for shorter guys, Danny Padilla and Shawn Ray.  For White guys Arnold, Bob Paris. They don't have to look like these guys  but you have an example how the physique should look.  Notice, No Ronnie. No Dorian. Not at their heavier weights no. Guts should be grounds for DQ, as should suspicious lumps and bumps upon conclusion of investigation. There should be a balance of muscularity, shape, conditioning and presentation.  Not size and conditioning.

Based on the IFBB Rules with the Harmonious and classical Physiques, It's really an open and closed case it's all about the Arnolds, Haneys, Wheelers , Rays, Paris and Labradas of the world. Giving these examples leaves it open to many kind of physiques with a certain look vs. ideal physique and he that expresses everything encompassing that look and presentation the best, wins the show. While it wont eliminate drugs the ideal look, ultimately alters the drug regime so drug use can be controlled by changing the look.  Change the look, the drug use changes.

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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2015, 01:56:12 PM »
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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2015, 02:23:36 PM »



Hi Dave.  Welcome back. Getbig truce?

But yes, you as well for sure.
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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2015, 02:26:56 PM »
Wiggs that rule book isnt  worth the pages it's printed on.

That documentation has gotten looked at more in this post than in the last 20 years combined.

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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2015, 02:29:59 PM »
Wiggs that rule book isnt  worth the pages it's printed on.

That documentation has gotten looked at more in this post than in the last 20 years combined.


Perhaps it should get looked at more. It's a perfectly good rulebook.  My only complaint is that there should be a more transparent judging/scoring system.
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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2015, 02:35:45 PM »

Perhaps it should get looked at more. It's a perfectly good rulebook.  My only complaint is that there should be a more transparent judging/scoring system.
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Hi Shawn Ray.

It'll take a drastic decline in bodybuilding money numbers before they think about making any changes.  The fans aren't upset enough to take a stance.  The general public doesn't care so no money's lost there.

The leaders at the top of the iffbb won't let the gravy train stop until it's derailed.

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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2015, 03:11:51 PM »
There was a time when Ronnie was quite aesthetic

Photo Comparison with Wheeler from the 97 Arnold




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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2015, 03:46:42 PM »
5 feet 8 80 kilos
5 feet 10 90 kilos
6 feet 100 kilos.
6 feet 2 110kilos

Would be bigger than the physique stripper look, but wouldn't allow the abuse we are currently seeing, would certainly make guys think about how they trained rather than just more calories and mgs.

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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2015, 04:19:25 PM »
This my friends is the ideal

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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2015, 04:32:22 PM »
This my friends is the ideal
Truth. Chris Cormier doesn't get his just due.

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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2015, 04:36:21 PM »
Truth. Chris Cormier doesn't get his just due.

He really doesn't . people look as physique don't see any standout parts but his entire physique was standout. I mean he's just about flawless in that pic 

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2015, 04:39:35 PM »
No gh or slin

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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2015, 05:09:54 PM »
Seriously? You're asking this question?

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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2015, 05:22:55 PM »
Wiggs becoming the John Stossel of Getbig.

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Re: Difficult Questions: What is the ideal physique for an IFBB pro?
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2015, 05:23:59 PM »
Current ones are Rhoden and Cedric IMO