Author Topic: Does it really matter if you're obese, a little over weight or "in shape"?  (Read 5333 times)

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It's a matter of genetics. Let me explain. I have a 45 year old women that started with me on Monday. She's 5'2 and weighed in at 329lbs. She understands where she's at fitness wise and knows she needs to drop around 200lbs. Lots of things behind this story. Depression, loss of family, etc. She sold her house in LA, quit her job and moved to the beach. She was kind of a big wig in the entertainment industry working for Disney but after 22 years the stress got her. But here's the thing. When someone comes to us that large we (to legally cover our asses) require a doctors release. Since she got regular check ups and blood work. EVERYTHING came back perfect. From her BP to her Lipids. Oh, BTW, up until last week she was a two pack a day smoker.

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Lik you said Coach, genetics are the most important factor.  Then money.  Then everything else.  Just because all the tests come back perfect does not mean there aren't any issues.  Many issues can be masked, hidden, on the threshold, etc. etc. I would be shocked if a Doctor said she was "perfectly healthy", even with those test results.

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Is her head still smaller than yours?

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It seems like doctors are similar to mechanics in the sense that they eliminate potential problems before they find the actual issue. They cover the basics first working backwards from there.

It's obvious she is unhealthy,  despite her test results,  but some people have better constitutions than others.

 Smoking is horrendous for your but not all smokers get cancer or emphysema.  Many do as do many non smokers, life is fickle.

She could experience a heart attack while she's in the best shape of her life too, you just never know for sure.
 

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Lik you said Coach, genetics are the most important factor.  Then money.  Then everything else.  Just because all the tests come back perfect does not mean there aren't any issues.  Many issues can be masked, hidden, on the threshold, etc. etc. I would be shocked if a Doctor said she was "perfectly healthy", even with those test results.

I agree and we've talked at length about this. If she doesn't start dropping weight something's going to give.

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I just hope you know that you need to approach a morbidly obese woman different than your top level athletese. Maybe you have experience with these people, not sure. Don't hesitate to do some study or even refer her to somone with more transformation experience. (Like sev).

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Haha 5.2' and 329lbs, bitch must be wider than she is tall

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It's a matter of genetics. Let me explain. I have a 45 year old women that started with me on Monday. She's 5'2 and weighed in at 329lbs. She understands where she's at fitness wise and knows she needs to drop around 200lbs. Lots of things behind this story. Depression, loss of family, etc. She sold her house in LA, quit her job and moved to the beach. She was kind of a big wig in the entertainment industry working for Disney but after 22 years the stress got her. But here's the thing. When someone comes to us that large we (to legally cover our asses) require a doctors release. Since she got regular check ups and blood work. EVERYTHING came back perfect. From her BP to her Lipids. Oh, BTW, up until last week she was a two pack a day smoker.

Obesity and tobacco smoking are major risk factors for just about every cancer, cardiac issue, and chronic disease out there--PERIOD

Just because her CMP/CBC came back in range (which I highly doubt, she has a BMI of 60!!!!), doesn't mean she's not due for a bunch of ailments real soon....40-50 is right about where the health of the obese and/or smokers starts to decline sharply

Beyond that, it's a quality of life issue.  What kind of life could you possibly lead being that fucking fat?  She must feel like shit 24/7

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I just hope you know that you need to approach a morbidly obese woman different than your top level athletese. Maybe you have experience with these people, not sure. Don't hesitate to do some study or even refer her to somone with more transformation experience. (Like sev).

Yes, we've had plenty over the years. It's going to take time. She understands this. Shes commited to two years.

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Hopefully this poor woman doesn't stumble upon the Coach Curse.

Look at Cheick Kongo these days. Guy cant even stop someone from stealing his bike.


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Hopefully this poor woman doesn't stumble upon the Coach Curse.

Look at Cheick Kongo these days. Guy cant even stop someone from stealing his bike.



My paydays from him since 2009 says he can.

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Haha 5.2' and 329lbs, bitch must be wider than she is tall

She's prob wider than phil

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Haha 5.2' and 329lbs, bitch must be wider than she is tall


Roz (Vincenzas ex) looks like that  ;D & she runs gym  ::)

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Haha 5.2' and 329lbs, bitch must be wider than she is tall

Perhaps she felt comfortable with Coach as her trainer because of their similar physical state.

As an aside, where do you even start with someone like that? You want get them active but even walking could damage joints at that height and weight.

I'd go with having her remove carbs from one meal a day and work from there.

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It's a matter of genetics. Let me explain. I have a 45 year old women that started with me on Monday. She's 5'2 and weighed in at 329lbs. She understands where she's at fitness wise and knows she needs to drop around 200lbs. Lots of things behind this story. Depression, loss of family, etc. She sold her house in LA, quit her job and moved to the beach. She was kind of a big wig in the entertainment industry working for Disney but after 22 years the stress got her. But here's the thing. When someone comes to us that large we (to legally cover our asses) require a doctors release. Since she got regular check ups and blood work. EVERYTHING came back perfect. From her BP to her Lipids. Oh, BTW, up until last week she was a two pack a day smoker.
Agree, basically comes down to genetics. But why increase your chances by being that much out of control?

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When is she fighting check Kongo?

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Hopefully this poor woman doesn't stumble upon the Coach Curse.

Look at Cheick Kongo these days. Guy cant even stop someone from stealing his bike.



Hebrew glass jaw of peace.

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Post her pic on here.

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A woman weighing 329 pounds does not happen because of "genetics", it's because she eats like a fucking pig.

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It's a matter of genetics. Let me explain. I have a 45 year old women that started with me on Monday. She's 5'2 and weighed in at 329lbs. She understands where she's at fitness wise and knows she needs to drop around 200lbs. Lots of things behind this story. Depression, loss of family, etc. She sold her house in LA, quit her job and moved to the beach. She was kind of a big wig in the entertainment industry working for Disney but after 22 years the stress got her. But here's the thing. When someone comes to us that large we (to legally cover our asses) require a doctors release. Since she got regular check ups and blood work. EVERYTHING came back perfect. From her BP to her Lipids. Oh, BTW, up until last week she was a two pack a day smoker.

That's correct.

Not too long ago, the American Medical Association had to sit down and revisit their Cholesterol guidelines. They found that eating most foods heavy in fat will have very little effect (20%) on your actual cholesterol levels. Moreover, they found that genetics controls 80% of the outcome with regards to you developing Hyperlipidemia.

Granted, if you go out and eat a pound of butter each day, then yes, your cholesterol levels will increase by default, but a few meals here and there won't put you 6-feet under.

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That's correct.

Not too long ago, the American Medical Association had to sit down and revisit their Cholesterol guidelines. They found that eating most foods heavy in fat will have very little effect (20%) on your actual cholesterol levels. Moreover, they found that genetics controls 80% of the outcome with regards to you developing Hyperlipidemia.

Granted, if you go out and eat a pound of butter each day, then yes, your cholesterol levels will increase by default, but a few meals here and there won't put you 6-feet under.

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There are a few points being missed in this thread I suspect.

Her bloods came back "perfect".  I am willing to bet that they did not come back perfect at all, just within normal range.

Normal = Homer Simpson, especially in modern day USA. You do not want to be "normal".

I would also be willing to bet that lipids only looked at things like HDL and LDL rather than delving deeper into cholesterol (as one small example) where the experts now know there is much more accurate information to be found.

Was a fasting blood sugar test done on her? I doubt it, she can't be that fat and not be pre-diabetic. What about HbA1C? 

Someone like that is a walking time bomb and her doctor is a c u n t for giving her false hope and legitimising her gluttonous slow suicide.

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Perhaps she felt comfortable with Coach as her trainer because of their similar physical state.

As an aside, where do you even start with someone like that? You want get them active but even walking could damage joints at that height and weight.

I'd go with having her remove carbs from one meal a day and work from there.

I laugh everytime someone says "I'm out of shape" or "in a similar state" lol

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I laugh everytime someone says "I'm out of shape" or "in a similar state" lol

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I laugh everytime someone says "I'm out of shape" or "in a similar state" lol

If you were to fight MMA at your weight, you'd be in the same class as your "athlete" Kongo who's 6'4".

Maybe you're in fat power lifter shape, but, you're 50lbs above functional athlete shape.