17 year old wont get out of car. Gets tasered and peppered spray

[blacken700]

Dude, the girl asked "am I being detained?". The pig said "yes". Girl says "for what?". Pig says "for marijuana".

Marijuana can easily be a broken brake light or suspicious activity or anything else the cop desires at any point.

Truth is he got stopped for driving while black AND with white girls in the car. A huge no-no in pig protocol.

next time they'll just get out of the car ,nice life lesson

[Devon97]

I wonder why he wouldn't just get out of the car?

[Parker]

Dude, the girl asked "am I being detained?". The pig said "yes". Girl says "for what?". Pig says "for marijuana".

Marijuana can easily be a broken brake light or suspicious activity or anything else the cop desires at any point.

Truth is he got stopped for driving while black AND with white girls in the car. A huge no-no in pig protocol.

Dude, there was  what i think was white dude in the car. And he got the first hit of spray.
What were they originally stopped for? That leads to the probable cause. The "smell of marijuana" (and you are correct he could make it up) leads to probable cause of searching the person. They could say no, then the dogs are brought out.

You also do realize that this is Virginia? The state where a baseball player was sentence to jail for speeding. The state where you can't have a radar detector in your car.

[blacken700]

I wonder why he wouldn't just get out of the car?

me thinks he had some weed on him even though she doesn't let it in her car lol

[Voice of Doom]

[agenda21nwo]

You saying the cops are paid by the manufacturers?  Meaning they work for them?

Yes, the police are paid by the manufacturers.  They do bust them occasionally, but they warn them before the bust.  It is how it works.

[muscleman-2013]

Yes, the police are paid by the manufacturers.  They do bust them occasionally, but they warn them before the bust.  It is how it works.

How much do they get paid?

[Slapper]

Dude, there was  what i think was white dude in the car. And he got the first blast.
What were they originally stopped for? That leads to the probable cause. The "smell of marijuana" (and you are correct he could make it up) leads to probable cause of searching the person. They could say no, then the dogs are brought out.

You also do realize that this is Virginia? The state where a baseball player was sentence to jail for speeding. The state where you can't have a radar detector in your car.

Yes, but nowadays I think pigs have a loophole when entering a car without a warrant. If my memory serves me right... I think they can break into the car if there is probable cause. And we all know they can make it up whenever they want to.

[agenda21nwo]

How much do they get paid?

It varies, but tens of thousands per month is common.

[Parker]

Yes, but nowadays I think pigs have a loophole when entering a car without a warrant. If my memory serves me right... I think they can break into the car if there is probable cause. And we all know they can make it up whenever they want to.

Here is the thing you are forgetting. It has to come to court. The DA has to go over the case. No case, the DA can drop it, or the person is found guilty.
Do that "make up probable cause" enough times or the wrong one, and or the person has a shrewd attorney. That can mean a lawsuit, on the dept, or egg on the DAs face. And many jurisdictions don't have the money to be paying out for lawsuits due to corrupt or terrible police work...

It varies, but tens of thousands per month is common.

Lol, like you know. The level of ignorance is outstanding. "Is common", lol. Man, come to Getbig.

[Radical Plato]

This is why the war on drugs is highly immoral, fancy treating another human being like that because you think he smoked some pot.  What a fucked world we live in. 

[Sokolsky]

Yes, but nowadays I think pigs have a loophole when entering a car without a warrant. If my memory serves me right... I think they can break into the car if there is probable cause. And we all know they can make it up whenever they want to.

Your addressing of officers with slanderous terms such as 'pigs' pretty much negates any valid argument you might have put up.

While

Because they do not have to.

Have you ever heard of habeas corpus?

What's fucking irritating beyond belief is to believe that we Have to be uber-obedient to what pigs say.

There is a difference between being obedient and cooperating. There is absolutely no reason why these teenagers could not simply cooperate and gotten out of the car. If you feel like you have been mistreated in any way, there is always the possibility to ask for the identities of the officers present/involved to then file a complaint or start a law-suit afterwards. Like a civilized person.


With this specific incident, the officers did in fact find marihuana in the possession of these minors. That itself validates the actions of the officers. Was the level of force used a little excessive? Possibly. But the suspects had the choice to cooperate knowing they were in the wrong. Cooperating in this sense not meaning jumping out of the car and presenting the marihuana which would be self-indictment, but rather to simply get out when requested.

But it's OK, Slapper, I understand your biased and retarded hate for the police. I understand you'd rather have kids going about with drugs in vehicles. We'll talk when your kids get run over by someone DUI, but who wasn't stopped by the police like you would rather have seen.

 

[240 is Back]

In this case, the truth is in the MIDDLE.

The cop wasa correct in pulling the person out of the car.  Assuming the weed smell was legit (maybe have the dog arrive and make it official).  A 17 year old cannot tell the cop to fck off because mommy hasn't arrived yet.  If you're on the road, you're subject to the law.  If you don't get out of the car, you are going on the concrete, punk, and that's fine.

HOWEVER - the cop tried to delete the video.  The cop attempted to DESTROY EVIDENCE ILLEGALLY, even if that evidence actually helped the cop's case.  Therefore, the piece of shit should be kicked off the force.  The MINUTE it becomes okay for police to destroy video evidence of their public action, paid for by the public and recorded completely legally, this place turns into Hitler's Germany in about 5 seconds.  

Recorded evidence is about the ONLY thing keeping cops from turning into a gang that robs/kills when they feel like it, while 1/3 the nation cheers them on.  The FEAR that everyone in the crowd is uploading their actions in realtime is often the ONLY thing that keeps people from getting beaten or wasted on a regular basis.

[Slapper]

Here is the thing you are forgetting. It has to come to court. The DA has to go over the case. No case, the DA can drop it, or the person is found guilty.
Do that "make up probable cause" enough times or the wrong one, and or the person has a shrewd attorney. That can mean a lawsuit, on the dept, or egg on the DAs face. And many jurisdictions don't have the money to be paying out for lawsuits due to corrupt or terrible police work...

I know, yet it doesn't stop them. A heck of a lot of pigs' work involves intimidation, and if you corner someone enough, the sheer act of letting a person go prevents the pig, or his/her department, from getting sued.

I once got my car searched in the middle of the night on my way to Montreal even though I showed the pig my hotel booking AND I had my 3-year old in the back seat sleeping.

These "people" have no common sense.

Sometimes I wish I could get every single person dear to the pig in a room and inform them of the things the pig did to me and other people. This way his own kin could work some sense into him/her.

[Sokolsky]

In this case, the truth is in the MIDDLE.

The cop wasa correct in pulling the person out of the car.  Assuming the weed smell was legit (maybe have the dog arrive and make it official).  A 17 year old cannot tell the cop to fck off because mommy hasn't arrived yet.  If you're on the road, you're subject to the law.  If you don't get out of the car, you are going on the concrete, punk, and that's fine.

HOWEVER - the cop tried to delete the video.  The cop attempted to DESTROY EVIDENCE ILLEGALLY, even if that evidence actually helped the cop's case.  Therefore, the piece of shit should be kicked off the force.  The MINUTE it becomes okay for police to destroy video evidence of their public action, paid for by the public and recorded completely legally, this place turns into Hitler's Germany in about 5 seconds.  

Not proven (yet) and only based on the claim of one of the people inside of the car.
As opposed to the officer's rightful suspecion of, and confirmed, presence of marihuana.

[Parker]

This just caused three kids to decide to go to Law School...

[240 is Back]

Turning down the search is easy, assuming you're sober and legal:

Q: Are you cool with me taking a look around youe vehicle, since you have nothing to hide?

A: "Actually, I gotta say not to the search, sir.   I'm 100% sober, I am legally carrying and you saw my permit, I don't do drugs and don't have drugs, I'm a hard-working musician with a car full of amps, trying to dodge idiot drunk/stoned drivers and just get home to my bed.  I want to sleep, not spend an hour cleaning out my car.   You know scumbags, and you know working man, it's pretty obvious which I am. So no, I don't want to be searched, I don't consent, respectfully."

At that point, ticket or released, but if not, it's motherfccking ACLU, lawyer, supervisor, video everything time.  I respect cops, I follow the law (I don't ever even speed).  But the moment I get violated, the law is suddenly my best friend and that cop has a headache for 5 years with my name on it.

[blacken700]

Not proven (yet) and only based on the claim of one of the people inside of the car.
As opposed to the officer's rightful suspecion of, and confirmed, presence of marihuana.

exactly

[muscleman-2013]

Turning down the search is easy, assuming you're sober and legal:

Q: Are you cool with me taking a look around youe vehicle, since you have nothing to hide?

A: "Actually, I gotta say not to the search, sir.   I'm 100% sober, I am legally carrying and you saw my permit, I don't do drugs and don't have drugs, I'm a hard-working musician with a car full of amps, trying to dodge idiot drunk/stoned drivers and just get home to my bed.  I want to sleep, not spend an hour cleaning out my car.   You know scumbags, and you know working man, it's pretty obvious which I am. So no, I don't want to be searched, I don't consent, respectfully."

At that point, ticket or released, but if not, it's motherfccking ACLU, lawyer, supervisor, video everything time.  I respect cops, I follow the law (I don't ever even speed).  But the moment I get violated, the law is suddenly my best friend and that cop has a headache for 5 years with my name on it.

You've actually taken the police to court for this sort of scenario?

[blacken700]

You've actually taken the police to court for this sort of scenario?

 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I guess people expect the police to continue to ask the dumbass kid to step out of his vehicle until 6 am the next day.

Yep, but this video will help future idiots

[Havenbull]

This is why the war on drugs is highly immoral, fancy treating another human being like that because you think he smoked some pot.  What a fucked world we live in. 

It's more about not being allowed to operate a vehicle while high.  That's what the cops were trying to determine.

High driver is just as bad a drunk driver.  Innocents can get killed.  The police have every right to prevent that.

[240 is Back]

You've actually taken the police to court for this sort of scenario?

this is how I handle it.  In the past, I've declined searches twice.  Not a huge deal.

I'm saying if the cop were to suddenly get all "violating rob's rights" on my ass, then yes, I'm demanding a supervisor, a video camera, an attorney, and in 12 hours it will very much be on public record.

Honestly, now that I'm a buzzed head 38 year old with muscles, and I'm driving with a carseat and dressed in a tie and stone sober and respectful, I've had zero probably with law enforcement.  They have a job, kids, and like all people, they want to be respected too.  I'm reverent and respectful, a legally armed american with almost 19 years of carrying a glock, and if that cop is ever gettng his ass kicked by 3 people on the side of the road, I'm the knight in shining armor that comes in blasting to rescue his ass, for sure.  

BUT the moment I sense a cop is taking my gracious and respectful nature and turning it into a "fuck this dude" atttude, then it's going to go the other way.

[Mr Anabolic]

I generally dislike cops, but the cop did nothing out of the ordinary.  He shouldn't have tried to delete the video though.

Plus, they are white = no one cares.

[muscleman-2013]

It makes you wonder about tazers.  Are police feeling more confidant to physically violate people now that they have tazers?  Or were they doing it in "other ways" pre tazers?