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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2015, 10:18:36 AM »
Have any of you fired anybody before? I did and felt horrible about doing it but the weed head gave me no choice.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2015, 10:25:44 AM »
UC Berkeley’s top researcher resigns amid sexual harassment allegations
By Matier and Ross

UC Berkeley’s top research administrator has resigned from his $400,000-a-year post under protest, amid allegations that he sexually harassed his top assistant including touching her breasts, kissing her on the neck and declaring he wanted to “molest” her.

Adding to the drama, his accuser, ex-Assistant Vice Chancellor Diane Leite, was herself fired from UC Berkeley three years ago after it was revealed that she was having an affair with a much younger male subordinate, whose salary she had doubled during the 15 months they were together.

UC Berkeley Chancellor Nicholas Dirks announced Vice Chancellor Graham Fleming’s exit in a brief memo to senior staffers last week, saying the research chief had informed him he was stepping down for personal reasons.

Dirks praised the 65-year-old Fleming for helping UC Berkeley attract hundreds of millions of dollars and maintain its position as one of the world’s “elite research universities.” A spokesman for the chancellor said Fleming would leave his post April 20 and that UC would have no further comment.

The resignation follows a complaint that Leite filed last year with UC President Janet Napolitano, whose office concluded that Fleming had “more likely than not” violated the university’s anti-sex harassment policies.

Leite, now 50, worked under Fleming until her firing in 2012. Among her allegations:

In 2009, while on a university business trip, Fleming rubbed Leite’s feet while they were lying on a hotel room bed fully clothed and put his arm around her.

Fleming touched her breasts during a gathering with colleagues in 2009 at the Cal Faculty Club and said he wanted to “molest” her.

He kissed the back of her neck in 2011 and sent “affectionate and familiar e-mails” to her over an extended period.

In January, Fleming sent Chancellor Dirks a letter acknowledging that he had “used poor judgment” with Leite on several occasion and that he “sincerely” regretted the actions, “as well as the embarrassment those actions may cause the university.”

“However, I strongly deny that any of my actions toward Ms. Leite were unwelcome or otherwise constitute sex harassment,” Fleming wrote.

Fleming wrote that he had a “close, mutually respectful and somewhat affectionate working relationship” with Leite, but that “it was not at any time either sexual or romantic.”

Leite and her attorney did not return phone calls last week seeking comment.

Napolitano’s office concluded in December that there was enough evidence to take disciplinary action against Fleming, effectively forcing him to step down after six years at the helm of UC Berkeley’s all-important research arm.

Among other things, the investigation by Napolitano’s office found that some of Fleming’s behavior toward Leite indicated a “sexual interest in her” and that her actions demonstrated that some of Fleming’s “behaviors were unwelcome.”

Fleming declined comment to us, but public relations consultant Sam Singer, who is working with Fleming’s lawyer, said the former vice chancellor is being “railroaded.”

In a letter to Dirks dated April 8, Fleming said he was resigning under protest and blasted the UC investigative report as “riddled with inconsistencies, mischaracterization of the facts and distortion of witness statements, as well as the selective omission of relevant information.”

Among other things, Singer says, Fleming categorically denies the most explosive allegation — that he touched Leite’s breasts. Singer also said the “molest” remark was a bad joke, for which Fleming had promptly apologized.

Fleming’s legal and PR team said the vice chancellor had asked that another investigator from Napolitano’s office be appointed to conduct an “independent and unbiased review,” but that the UC president had “summarily rejected’’ the request.

“We followed our normal processes, and we’re confident they were properly conducted,” countered Steve Montiel, press secretary to Napolitano. He declined to comment further.

Fleming’s exit is the latest chapter in a drama that began in 2011 when Leite’s relationship with purchasing manager Jonathan Caniezo, who is 17 years her junior, was detailed in a whistle-blower letter to her university bosses. While the two were together, Caniezo’s annual pay grew from $57,864 in 2008 to $120,000.

UC Berkeley officials concluded that Leite had violated the school’s sexual harassment policies. She was reassigned from her $188,000-a-year job as head of the research office to an adviser’s role that paid $175,000.

After news of the scandal broke in 2012, UC came under sharp attack from both the public and legislators in Sacramento, and campus officials asked Leite to resign. When she refused, Fleming fired her.

According to Singer, Leite had plenty of chances to sound the alarm on Fleming’s alleged behavior before she was fired, but never did. Singer’s take is that Leite “made these false charges against him because he did not protect her job.”

The inquiry by Napolitano’s office, however, reached a different conclusion— one that puts a twist on Leite’s harassment claim. It found that Fleming, smitten with Leite, had used his position to “actively interfere” with UC’s effort to fire her.

As it turns out, Fleming — a tenured chemistry professor who has been at the university for 18 years — won’t be heading for the unemployment office. After taking a year’s sabbatical, he will be allowed to resume teaching — though for considerably less money than he made as a vice chancellor.

As for Leite, she’s now working as a research director at the Joint √BioEnergy Institute in Emeryville. It’s a research program that has ties to both UC Berkeley and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory — and was founded with Fleming’s help.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2015, 10:43:53 AM »
UC Berkeley’s top researcher resigns amid sexual harassment allegations
By Matier and Ross

UC Berkeley’s top research administrator has resigned from his $400,000-a-year post under protest, amid allegations that he sexually harassed his top assistant including touching her breasts, kissing her on the neck and declaring he wanted to “molest” her.

Adding to the drama, his accuser, ex-Assistant Vice Chancellor Diane Leite, was herself fired from UC Berkeley three years ago after it was revealed that she was having an affair with a much younger male subordinate, whose salary she had doubled during the 15 months they were together.

Leite, now 50, worked under Fleming until her firing in 2012. Among her allegations:

In 2009, while on a university business trip, Fleming rubbed Leite’s feet while they were lying on a hotel room bed fully clothed and put his arm around her.


She lost all credibility there  ::)
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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2015, 11:16:08 AM »
Yes, but most state labor laws make it very difficult to do this.

Agreed. An employer can lay you off when when they want to get rid of you. There unemployment taxes will go up, but they don't have to give the real reason for the dismissal. If they fire you for misconduct or just not doing your job well, they'd have to provide a reason at some point should you decide to collect unemployment.  In cases of misconduct, the employer doesn't get dinged for you unemployment.

People who believe they've been illegally discriminated against should contact the Bureau of Labor and industry. If you work for a company where you are represented by a union and you seek representation from the union, HR does have to explain why you were dismissed. The also have to prove their case against you. If they have not documented your misconduct and taken action to help you correct it, they're in for a fight.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2015, 11:30:29 AM »
UC Berkeley’s top researcher resigns amid sexual harassment allegations
By Matier and Ross

UC Berkeley’s top research administrator has resigned from his $400,000-a-year post under protest, amid allegations that he sexually harassed his top assistant including touching her breasts, kissing her on the neck and declaring he wanted to “molest” her.

Adding to the drama, his accuser, ex-Assistant Vice Chancellor Diane Leite, was herself fired from UC Berkeley three years ago after it was revealed that she was having an affair with a much younger male subordinate, whose salary she had doubled during the 15 months they were together.

UC Berkeley Chancellor Nicholas Dirks announced Vice Chancellor Graham Fleming’s exit in a brief memo to senior staffers last week, saying the research chief had informed him he was stepping down for personal reasons.

Dirks praised the 65-year-old Fleming for helping UC Berkeley attract hundreds of millions of dollars and maintain its position as one of the world’s “elite research universities.” A spokesman for the chancellor said Fleming would leave his post April 20 and that UC would have no further comment.

The resignation follows a complaint that Leite filed last year with UC President Janet Napolitano, whose office concluded that Fleming had “more likely than not” violated the university’s anti-sex harassment policies.

Leite, now 50, worked under Fleming until her firing in 2012. Among her allegations:

In 2009, while on a university business trip, Fleming rubbed Leite’s feet while they were lying on a hotel room bed fully clothed and put his arm around her.

Fleming touched her breasts during a gathering with colleagues in 2009 at the Cal Faculty Club and said he wanted to “molest” her.

He kissed the back of her neck in 2011 and sent “affectionate and familiar e-mails” to her over an extended period.

In January, Fleming sent Chancellor Dirks a letter acknowledging that he had “used poor judgment” with Leite on several occasion and that he “sincerely” regretted the actions, “as well as the embarrassment those actions may cause the university.”

“However, I strongly deny that any of my actions toward Ms. Leite were unwelcome or otherwise constitute sex harassment,” Fleming wrote.

Fleming wrote that he had a “close, mutually respectful and somewhat affectionate working relationship” with Leite, but that “it was not at any time either sexual or romantic.”

Leite and her attorney did not return phone calls last week seeking comment.

Napolitano’s office concluded in December that there was enough evidence to take disciplinary action against Fleming, effectively forcing him to step down after six years at the helm of UC Berkeley’s all-important research arm.

Among other things, the investigation by Napolitano’s office found that some of Fleming’s behavior toward Leite indicated a “sexual interest in her” and that her actions demonstrated that some of Fleming’s “behaviors were unwelcome.”

Fleming declined comment to us, but public relations consultant Sam Singer, who is working with Fleming’s lawyer, said the former vice chancellor is being “railroaded.”

In a letter to Dirks dated April 8, Fleming said he was resigning under protest and blasted the UC investigative report as “riddled with inconsistencies, mischaracterization of the facts and distortion of witness statements, as well as the selective omission of relevant information.”

Among other things, Singer says, Fleming categorically denies the most explosive allegation — that he touched Leite’s breasts. Singer also said the “molest” remark was a bad joke, for which Fleming had promptly apologized.

Fleming’s legal and PR team said the vice chancellor had asked that another investigator from Napolitano’s office be appointed to conduct an “independent and unbiased review,” but that the UC president had “summarily rejected’’ the request.

“We followed our normal processes, and we’re confident they were properly conducted,” countered Steve Montiel, press secretary to Napolitano. He declined to comment further.

Fleming’s exit is the latest chapter in a drama that began in 2011 when Leite’s relationship with purchasing manager Jonathan Caniezo, who is 17 years her junior, was detailed in a whistle-blower letter to her university bosses. While the two were together, Caniezo’s annual pay grew from $57,864 in 2008 to $120,000.

UC Berkeley officials concluded that Leite had violated the school’s sexual harassment policies. She was reassigned from her $188,000-a-year job as head of the research office to an adviser’s role that paid $175,000.

After news of the scandal broke in 2012, UC came under sharp attack from both the public and legislators in Sacramento, and campus officials asked Leite to resign. When she refused, Fleming fired her.

According to Singer, Leite had plenty of chances to sound the alarm on Fleming’s alleged behavior before she was fired, but never did. Singer’s take is that Leite “made these false charges against him because he did not protect her job.”

The inquiry by Napolitano’s office, however, reached a different conclusion— one that puts a twist on Leite’s harassment claim. It found that Fleming, smitten with Leite, had used his position to “actively interfere” with UC’s effort to fire her.

As it turns out, Fleming — a tenured chemistry professor who has been at the university for 18 years — won’t be heading for the unemployment office. After taking a year’s sabbatical, he will be allowed to resume teaching — though for considerably less money than he made as a vice chancellor.

As for Leite, she’s now working as a research director at the Joint √BioEnergy Institute in Emeryville. It’s a research program that has ties to both UC Berkeley and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory — and was founded with Fleming’s help.

FFS the sad old bastard didn't even get any off this menopausal supposed sex-pot.  He must be thinking fuck it, if I'm gonna do the time, might as well have the crime.  10-1 when he comes back he gets dismissed, smiling, for boning the undergrads.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2015, 02:59:00 PM »
Seems like your company must be a shit place to work.

Dude, you have no idea!

I'm a loyal person by nature, so I'll stick around until I find something else.

The main issue is that, in my line of business, we are forced to work with people we can't fucking understand (Indians) and have to work insane hours to cover up for their idiocy.

All was good and dandy until they took away the huge bonuses and the OT. People are pretty much fed up and just walking out.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2015, 03:13:06 PM »
I quit my job earlier today. Gave my boss a 1 hour notice and he knew better than to say I couldn't leave and he wrote me a perfect recommendation because he knew I would tell the owner what had happnened haha plus I got a bonus 500 dollars on my check

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2015, 05:10:09 PM »
I quit my job earlier today. Gave my boss a 1 hour notice and he knew better than to say I couldn't leave and he wrote me a perfect recommendation because he knew I would tell the owner what had happnened haha plus I got a bonus 500 dollars on my check

Why did you quit? For what you posted, you've insinuated your boss did something inappropriate. Most folks don't get bonuses for quitting.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2015, 05:27:14 PM »

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2015, 06:28:29 PM »
Why did you quit? For what you posted, you've insinuated your boss did something inappropriate. Most folks don't get bonuses for quitting.

My manager didn't do anything it was a coworker who is a close personal friend of his. He's some weird closet gay and he's been groping the fuck out of me like he'd squeeze my ass as I walked by and tried to feel my body up so I stuck him in the face in the kitchen and quit the next day. My manager begged me not to tell the owner or else they would both lose their jobs so he added extra money to my check

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2015, 10:24:15 PM »
My manager didn't do anything it was a coworker who is a close personal friend of his. He's some weird closet gay and he's been groping the fuck out of me like he'd squeeze my ass as I walked by and tried to feel my body up so I stuck him in the face in the kitchen and quit the next day. My manager begged me not to tell the owner or else they would both lose their jobs so he added extra money to my check

idiots. They should have at least payed you cash. Now you can prove they paid you extra and get more money out of them.
Do it!!!

Think of all the wonderful gear you could buy...
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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2015, 10:29:47 PM »
My manager didn't do anything it was a coworker who is a close personal friend of his. He's some weird closet gay and he's been groping the fuck out of me like he'd squeeze my ass as I walked by and tried to feel my body up so I stuck him in the face in the kitchen and quit the next day. My manager begged me not to tell the owner or else they would both lose their jobs so he added extra money to my check

I figured it might be sexual harassment. You let the guy and the company off cheap. Still it's best to get out as quickly as possible. I agree with your choice to leave. Only thing is, that asshole will keep doing this until someone files charges against him.

One time when I was probably about your age, I interview for a job with the display department director at a well known major department store. He tried to put the moves on me. I walked out of the interview. He was just plain creepy.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2015, 05:07:39 AM »
Yeah I don't really care about the money I just needed to get the fuck out of there. After I stuck him in the face multiple times he just layed on the floor like the fag he is covered in blood I sorta lost it and just couldn't stop punching him in the face. I doubt he would try to do it again to someone else after that but it's not my problem anymore

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2015, 06:59:19 AM »
My manager didn't do anything it was a coworker who is a close personal friend of his. He's some weird closet gay and he's been groping the fuck out of me like he'd squeeze my ass as I walked by and tried to feel my body up so I stuck him in the face in the kitchen and quit the next day. My manager begged me not to tell the owner or else they would both lose their jobs so he added extra money to my check

Damn schmoes.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2015, 10:17:19 AM »
Damn schmoes.

They're all fucking Indians which is the worst part

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2015, 11:04:02 AM »
In very few cases, if ever, do contracts actually help the employee.

On the contrary, employers will have the employee sign a contract, because, in essence, it does away with the vast majority of rights that an employee might have to sue their employer. In other words, if you get released for an inappropriate cause or are simply discriminated against while at the workplace, these contracts bind you to arbitration for workplace disputes. By signing into a contract that has an employment arbitration agreement, you are essentially agreeing to not seek out any legal action against your employer in court. Consequently, whatever workplace disputes you have with your boss must be settled through an arbitrator. With Arbitration, you are stripped of your ability to file a lawsuit and your case won't be heard by a court.

When seeking arbitration, your case is heard and decided upon by an arbitrator (not by a judge and/or jury). Your case is also limited to what is brought to the arbitrator on hand. In other words, if you needed to collect evidence from your workplace that a judge can easily facilitate via a warrant, an arbitrator can not facilitate that process for you. Worst of all, all decisions made through arbitration are final, so you can't appeal or take it to court afterwards.

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Sounds like you have lots of experience with this stuff OMR.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2015, 11:16:16 AM »
Sounds like you have lots of experience with this stuff OMR.

I have a decent amount of experience with these matters.

I think most processes tend to be unfair in the long run for the employee versus the employer.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2015, 01:40:55 PM »
I have a decent amount of experience with these matters.

I think most processes tend to be unfair in the long run for the employee versus the employer.

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Employees were fortunate where I worked because we had "just cause" in our contract. With some employers it's just 'cuz which means they can can for just because they want to.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2015, 04:25:05 PM »
Not for these states that practice "at-will" employment with no public policy exception:

New York
Alabama
Maine
Georgia
Louisiana
Nebraska
Florida
Rhode Island

Not to mention that even if you do have a contract in place between the employer and employee, assuming the employer does decide to release the employee, disputing the terms of an employment contract is difficult and costly (when out of work), and the burden of proof is on the fired employee.

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Texas is also an at-will state

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2015, 04:26:16 PM »
i have quit on the spot before...but i have no real obligations either...all my shits paid for already...if i had kids? hell no! i would never do that

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2015, 04:32:07 PM »
QUITTING A JOB YOU HATE IS LIKE TO LEAVE A GIRLFRIEND YOU DON'T LOVE NO MORE !!!
IS ONE OF THE GREATEST HIGH YOU CAN EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IS JUST LIKE BEING LIBERATED AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN INCARCERATED !!!

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2015, 11:47:39 PM »
i have quit on the spot before...but i have no real obligations either...all my shits paid for already...if i had kids? hell no! i would never do that

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Someday you might want some new "shit" because the old shit wore out.

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #72 on: April 17, 2015, 11:50:20 PM »
Yeah I don't really care about the money I just needed to get the fuck out of there. After I stuck him in the face multiple times he just layed on the floor like the fag he is covered in blood I sorta lost it and just couldn't stop punching him in the face. I doubt he would try to do it again to someone else after that but it's not my problem anymore

I worked with a gay guy that had a thing for straight men. More often then not, he was sporting a black eye. I think he enjoyed getting beat up

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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #73 on: April 18, 2015, 02:27:32 AM »
I have a decent amount of experience with these matters.

I think most processes tend to be unfair in the long run for the employee versus the employer.

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I've been both sides of this.

Management will exercise their right to can you 'at will' but there is a little more going on behind the scenes.

They have to make sure they get the right balance of age/ethnicity/sex in those that get canned, otherwise they are open to discrimination lawsuits.

Whilst they can cut you 'at will' it does NOT mean they are not exposed in other ways.

The best way to handle things all round is for the employer to pay the employee to resign. That is what i always did. Invite them in, tell them it's their last day, show them a letter of resignation in their name alongside a check. Invariably they will sign the letter partly because you arent giving them time to think. Partly because the check is reasonably generous.

Always watch the pattern of job cuts where you are & how its done. That helps you to plan for when it happens to you. Watch out for any skirting of safety laws, anything they might get caught out on.

When it happened to me, it took me an hour to negotiate a settlement of just under $200k. Never threaten to go to court/police unless they give you money. That will blow your case. Do consult a lawyer ahead of time if you think your turn is soon. They will tell you how to play it.


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Re: Have you ever quit your job on the spot?
« Reply #74 on: April 18, 2015, 04:24:28 AM »
what is a job ?