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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2015, 06:26:28 PM »
It makes nail grow. It makes internal organs grow so why would it also not make cancer grow. I don't think it would give you cancer but if you have it you will develop it worse.  Until a doctor does a study of a bunch of cancer free healthy people and gives them hgh and then sees if cancer grows they can't make such a clAim

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2015, 06:31:34 PM »
It makes nail grow. It makes internal organs grow so why would it also not make cancer grow. I don't think it would give you cancer but if you have it you will develop it worse.  Until a doctor does a study of a bunch of cancer free healthy people and gives them hgh and then sees if cancer grows they can't make such a clAim

Not sure Gh making internal organs grow? Working out with steroids make the heart/arteries grow for sure even studies I believe show working out heavy and excessive makes the heart/arteries grow but once stopped it slowly recovers. But using steriods is a different story

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2015, 07:06:11 PM »
Telomer lengthening = fountain of youth. ...

Ponce De Leon spent to much time searching in south Florida but his life's work will end up being justified.

Not quite.

Telemore lengthening can perpetuate the growth of cancer cells.

Telemore shortening allows for cells to be "mortal" by programming cells into having a form of replicative mortality. Inversely, when you lengthen them, it can result in a catastrophic situation for someone that has a predisposition to or early signs of cancer by way of increased proliferation ability.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2015, 07:16:31 PM »
Holy shit people. Still nothing about dosages. This thread is just one blanket statement.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2015, 07:41:25 PM »
Holy shit people. Still nothing about dosages. This thread is just one blanket statement.

it's just based a comment by a doctor, that's all. i found it curious because she said it with a certainty but i couldn't ask her more about it, so i posted here to see what other people know or think out it. 

i'm sure that USC study, mentioned in the article SF posted, has dose amounts noted.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2015, 08:19:26 PM »
My broey understanding is that everyone has microcancers all the time which are being eliminated by your immune system.  A bunch of stuff has to happen for a tumor to get a foothold and one of those things is receiving a sufficient blood supply.  GH helps angiogenesis.

Seems like stuff that benefits muscle growth also benefits tumor growth.  It's all just meat and if it feeds the good meat then it also feeds the bad meat.  Bro.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2015, 08:20:36 PM »
I'd rather live rich and wealthy looking like a twink 8)

Me too. I was trying to sound like a big man back there

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2015, 08:50:37 PM »
Holy shit people. Still nothing about dosages. This thread is just one blanket statement.
Plus it says the guy was taking a pill to increase his HGH, what pill does that?

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2015, 09:19:40 PM »
Plus it says the guy was taking a pill to increase his HGH, what pill does that?

do you even read? not even once.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2015, 09:24:30 PM »
do you even read? not even once.
I was referring to the last paragraph in the post by SF1900

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2015, 10:00:10 PM »
Not quite.

Telemore lengthening can perpetuate the growth of cancer cells.

Telemore shortening allows for cells to be "mortal" by programming cells into having a form of replicative mortality. Inversely, when you lengthen them, it can result in a catastrophic situation for someone that has a predisposition to or early signs of cancer by way of increased proliferation ability.

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I misunderstood, big surprise.

I thought telomore shortening leads to the eventual and inevitable death of a cell, therefore my logic assumed lengthening them stopped the cell aging.
 
Apparently an enzyme called telomerase stops/slows telomore shortening.  This could be the next big bodybuilding supplement breakthrough!

Thanks OMR, I'm smarter because of you,  that's quite an accomplishment in itself.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2015, 03:00:49 AM »
It makes nail grow. It makes internal organs grow so why would it also not make cancer grow. I don't think it would give you cancer but if you have it you will develop it worse.  Until a doctor does a study of a bunch of cancer free healthy people and gives them hgh and then sees if cancer grows they can't make such a clAim

BS & BS  ::)

If U A on HGH U would never talk this silly shit.

My personal observation : increases speed & overall recovery.

Cost me hips & I am on very strict medical observation.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2015, 03:06:10 AM »
Me too. I was trying to sound like a big man back there


No worries u are still a big man in my eyes

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2015, 03:13:32 AM »
While I am not saying GH is bad for someone over 50, but there is probably a very important reason why the body drastically reduces GH over a lifetime.
Yes just like estrogen for women.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2015, 04:08:58 AM »
I misunderstood, big surprise.

I thought telomore shortening leads to the eventual and inevitable death of a cell, therefore my logic assumed lengthening them stopped the cell aging.
 
Apparently an enzyme called telomerase stops/slows telomore shortening.  This could be the next big bodybuilding supplement breakthrough!

Thanks OMR, I'm smarter because of you,  that's quite an accomplishment in itself.

You're very smart.

Most people wouldn't know what a telomere is and/or how it actually works at the cellular level.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2015, 05:03:25 AM »
Not quite.

Telemore lengthening can perpetuate the growth of cancer cells.

Telemore shortening allows for cells to be "mortal" by programming cells into having a form of replicative mortality. Inversely, when you lengthen them, it can result in a catastrophic situation for someone that has a predisposition to or early signs of cancer by way of increased proliferation ability.

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It depends. Some good (for ex. immune) cells die or are worn out because of shortened telomeres. So extending them would mean - increased protection from cancer at the same time. It's complicated. The best would be to just replenish stem cell pools as it's the core of where everything "begins" in regards to sustaining a healthy body.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2015, 06:24:39 AM »
It depends. Some good (for ex. immune) cells die or are worn out because of shortened telomeres. So extending them would mean - increased protection from cancer at the same time. It's complicated. The best would be to just replenish stem cell pools as it's the core of where everything "begins" in regards to sustaining a healthy body.

Problem is that, if I am not mistaken, most cancer cells begin to both outnumber and out-power immune cells meant to eradicate cancer cells.

To make matters worse, I believe scientists have mostly targeted Telomerase in order to try and stop the lengthening of telomeres, but have found that in response to their efforts, most tumors will simply resort to ALT - Alternative Lengthening of Telomeres, sort of their bypass mechanism to allow for cancer proliferation.

I haven't read too much on the latest Stem Cell research, as there seems to still be too much political red tape slowing down all fronts of progress within the scientific community (morality-God fearing politicians with no medical or scientific background vs science).

Anyhow, I don't use any of that stuff (Hormones of any kind).

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2015, 07:06:17 AM »
BS & BS  ::)

If U A on HGH U would never talk this silly shit.

My personal observation : increases speed & overall recovery.

Cost me hips & I am on very strict medical observation.

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It has been proven to increase the size of internal organs.  Are you just too fucking dumb to think it targets muscle only? 
There have been studies on adult sports athletes who had their foot size grow a few inches and their head circumference grow a few inches.  Both of which stop growing after puberty.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2015, 08:13:50 AM »
It has been proven to increase the size of internal organs.  Are you just too fucking dumb to think it targets muscle only? 
There have been studies on adult sports athletes who had their foot size grow a few inches and their head circumference grow a few inches.  Both of which stop growing after puberty.

Didn't know internal organs consist of your feet and head growth?

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2015, 08:18:27 AM »
Didn't know internal organs consist of your feet and head growth?

Easy smartass.  These are measurable you can see yourself, the internal organs were shown via ultrasound.

Just makes me laugh at how fucking stupid bodybuilders are thinking it only affects muscle growth.  They don't realize it's given to people with stunted growth to get taller because it caused complete body growth.

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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2015, 02:31:52 PM »
It has been proven to increase the size of internal organs.  Are you just too fucking dumb to think it targets muscle only? 
There have been studies on adult sports athletes who had their foot size grow a few inches and their head circumference grow a few inches.  Both of which stop growing after puberty.

NAME those medical clinics or sport institutes & individuals, then BS.

Longest HGH studies was done by Dr.Ho at Sydney Garvan Institute  ;)

Do U have access to Sports Institute (with $ 500 millions annual  budget) like someone else on this site  ;)

Any massive pro BB can tell U what they take & is so cheap ($ 3 per tablet) ,ask any modern beef producer ( ;)) or vet  8) what is it.

OBW, ask yourself why so many dead in BB only  & not in other pro sports on HGH  8)


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Re: GH over fifty grows cancer says M.D.
« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2015, 02:38:12 PM »
Holy shit people. Still nothing about dosages. This thread is just one blanket statement.

Depends of age, body mass, sport & $$$  ;)