Baltimore Riots - Discussion

[Thick Nick]

Brah nobody is "praising" gang members.  Youre right that the gangs kill more black youths then anyone. These gangs aren't like movies and rap videos run by grown men, it's predominantly teenage boys and sometimes men in their early 20s.

What's being said is that apparently the situation is bad enough that groups that are dedicated to violence are willing to say enough is enough.  That should speak loudly to the community however it appears it won't because people here can't even grasp what the statement is that's being made.

Imagine what would happened (as a statement) if after this dude had his spine severed, 25% of the Baltimore police department resigned in protest. Common sense would suggest that even the police recognize that's there's  a problem in the department.

*I'm not saying there's a  police brutality problem, or that should have happened.  I'm saying if that were to hypothetically happen it would cause people to reconsider things. Now if gangs are asking people to reconsider their violence that to should also cause people to think about their actions, however hypocritical it may actually be.

They aren't calling for an end to violence... They are calling for an end to police defending themselves from animals. Violence towards cops is just fine. You need to listen to some of what is coming out of the protesters mouths. If what you said was true it would be great... But it's horseshit.

[Parker]

Question... who kills more black youths... White cops or black gang members? The above response is one of the most comical in Getbig history. The gang member heroes that you think will be some great leader some day don't give a shit about the guy who died with the broke back or Mike Brown... or the death of any black youth BECUASE THEY ARE FUCKING RESPONSIBLE for most of the deaths... they care about free shit... PERIOD. And you racist morons are legitimizing them. You dumb shits.

Do you that they don't know that? Do you think I don't know that?
See one of the problems with people like you, is that you ask why don't they stop and do something positive, and  when the people who cause trouble decide to stop, people like you criticize them.

[SF1900]

WOULD EXPLAIN SEVERED SPINE.

BREAKING NEWS

Did Freddie Gray Have Spinal Surgery (From Car Accident) A Week Before His Arrest?…


Currently it is being reported the investigation into Freddie Gray’s death will be complete by Friday. However, the same media reports are saying the results will not be made immediately public. This is odd considering the surrounding ideology of Baltimore which would be highly favorable to a finding of wrongdoing by the police.

If the investigation revealed police wrongdoing there is nothing in the Baltimore political apparatus which would keep it hidden from public. Ergo, there’s a possibility any report would contain exculpatory information beneficial to the police.

Which brings us to a potential game changing discovery showing up in some social media about Freddie Gray having spinal surgery shortly before the events outlined within the controversial encounter. It must be noted however, that none of this is factually confirmed and we should research further.

The story is in essence:

    “Freddie Gray had a pre-existing spinal and neck injury [from a car accident] and had severe damage and scar tissue from an accident that Allstate insurance was paying via a large structured settlement.

    Freddie had several unsuccessful spinal fusion surgeries, and his most recent spinal/cervical operation was a week and a half before he was arrested.  Freddie should have been at home in bed resting and recovering from this recent major operation.

    If you look on Howard County Civil Court records you will find a case whereby Freddie Gray Jr. was trying to cash in his monthly structured Allstate settlement into a lump sum payout through Peachtree funding”.

Another report from The Fourth Estate essentially encapsulates the same story outlined in alternate (social) media:

    […] EXCLUSIVE: The Fourth Estate has learned that Freddy Gray’s life-ending injuries to his spine may have possibly been the result of spinal and neck surgery that he allegedly received a week before he was arrested, not from rough excessively rough treatment or abuse from police. 

    The Fourth Estate has contacted sources who allege that Freddy Gray received spinal and neck surgery a week before we was arrested, and was allegedly receiving a large structured settlement from Allstate Insurance.  The surgery is allegedly related to a car accident in which Gray was involved (more)

Indeed there is a civil tort case in the Circuit Court for Howard County – Civil System listing Freddie Gray Jr. as party to a civil action structured between  Peachtree Settlement Funding LLC and  Allstate Life Insurance Company.  (link)

[Dave D]

They aren't calling for an end to violence... They are calling for an end to police defending themselves from animals. Violence towards cops is just fine. You need to listen to some of what is coming out of the protesters mouths. If what you said was true it would be great... But it's horseshit.

Fair enough, you may have more updated and accurate information,  I also agree that I'm sure there is a lot of "political" posturing being done as well.

The mayor made some poor choices, but I'm sure the amount of pressure she felt was near unbearable, and I'm assuming she never thought it would get out of hand like this.

The sad part is we still don't understand how to deal with these events.

[Thick Nick]

Do you that they don't know that? Do you think I don't know that?
See one of the problems with people like you, is that you ask why don't they stop and do something positive, and  when the people who cause trouble decide to stop, people like you criticize them.

I know you know... You just don't give a shit. A white cop killing an animal is reason enough for free shit... A gang killing thousands of animals is perfectly ok though. Like I said... Horseshit.

[hp31]

[Option D]

Question... who kills more black youths... White cops or black gang members? The above response is one of the most comical in Getbig history. The gang member heroes that you think will be some great leader some day don't give a shit about the guy who died with the broke back or Mike Brown... or the death of any black youth BECUASE THEY ARE FUCKING RESPONSIBLE for most of the deaths... they care about free shit... PERIOD. And you racist morons are legitimizing them. You dumb shits.

Police are sworn and paid by tax payers to protect, not play judge jury and executioner.

[240 is Back]

Imagine if Crispus Attucks was shot and killed by police in Boston in 2015.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispus_Attucks

He wouldn't be an American hero.  He's be a half-black, half-Indian "thug" who shouldn't have been using verbal threats and throwing objects.   His record, education, etc would be mocked on the message boards.  Memes with "Hero" would attach to the redcoats that shot him, and Rush Limbaugh would be asking why Crispus couldn't just follow the damn law.  Of course, the redcoats would initially claim he was killed in gang violence, and cell phone video would be needed to show the truth, days later.  The redcoat shooters would retire from the military with a $1.44 million retirement package.  There would be 2 nights of tomfoolery as people vented their anger.

Who knows... hundreds of years from now, people might look at events of today, and see things VERY differently than we do.

[calfzilla]

EXCLUSIVE new footage of the police injuring the man's spine!!!

[240 is Back]

BAL has paid out 5.7 mil in police abuse settlements:

http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/

However, most of the cops involved are not fired, or even reprimanded. 

[Agnostic007]

Yes.   I watched the Wire, and the mayor bossed around the police commissioner, who bossed around the chief then the lieutenants.

I've never worked in the mayor's office, and I hardly cite The Wire as my only input on this.

I looked at WIKI, which told me the mayor's office administers all city services, public property, police and fire.

so.. your frame of reference is a TV show?

[The True Adonis]

BAL has paid out 5.7 mil in police abuse settlements:

http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/

However, most of the cops involved are not fired, or even reprimanded. 

Because most were found not responsible despite the jury awarding the victims anyways.   

[Agnostic007]

BAL has paid out 5.7 mil in police abuse settlements:

http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/

However, most of the cops involved are not fired, or even reprimanded. 

could be because there is a huge conspiracy, a cover up where horrible things are swept under the rug on a regular basis and a majority of the cops are in on it, including every detective and investigator. City hall as well.. which allows the officers to cause havoc and mahem at will and never be held accountable..

or

Its that many of the cases were frivilous or without merit and when reviewed, didn't violate state law or policy. The city paid out because it was cheaper or they felt civilian juries filled with people like yourself would not look at the facts and react with emotion. I believe you will find those are the cases where no one was fired or reprimanded. The ones where there were merit, I would expect there were consequences. The city doesn't like to pay money out at all. Might be a few cases where someone slipped through the cracks but not very many.. just my 2 cents

[blinky]

a few professional soccer matches in Europe have had to be played in empty stadia in the past

oh ya ur right. Forgot about those crazy mofo's

[ritch]

Would love to see them try that shit in Russia...

[240 is Back]

WAY more intense riots... for SPORTING events!

http://mic.com/articles/116680/11-stunning-images-highlight-the-double-standard-of-reactions-to-riots-like-baltimore

[Competitor 9]

could be because there is a huge conspiracy, a cover up where horrible things are swept under the rug on a regular basis and a majority of the cops are in on it, including every detective and investigator. City hall as well.. which allows the officers to cause havoc and mahem at will and never be held accountable..

or

Its that many of the cases were frivilous or without merit and when reviewed, didn't violate state law or policy. The city paid out because it was cheaper or they felt civilian juries filled with people like yourself would not look at the facts and react with emotion. I believe you will find those are the cases where no one was fired or reprimanded. The ones where there were merit, I would expect there were consequences. The city doesn't like to pay money out at all. Might be a few cases where someone slipped through the cracks but not very many.. just my 2 cents

When I start lossing faith in getbig I see educated thought out structured rebuttals such as this and my faith is restored. Nicely done 

[240 is Back]

People picked up the tear gas and threw it back at cops. 

Mild crowd tonight.  Cops sent tear gas quick tonight. 

Nbc host is a drama queen. 

Police claim no tear gas being used.  Did the bad guys bring their own?

[The Ugly]

I'm sure you're right and it will go back to being a cess pool, however the gangs always take credit for their violence on their own race. They don't deny the black on black crimes, that's mostly a media issue refusing to address the topic. Even in the coverage the media is tap dancing around what's taking place, online (here at getbig) people are being honest.

My point was this isn't taking place because the gangbangers are out of control,  these guys, of all people, are saying the situation is out of control.  These guys are the last ones to join up with civic leaders.

I wasn't attacking you nor defending the gangs per se, I was just pointing out the how bizarre the whole situation has become.

With as many on here that complain how America has become a police state, we see what happens when unorganized civil unrest occurs.

Totally understood. Much more worried about anarchy like this than a police state.

But I'm sheepish like that.

[The Ugly]

funny how everyone thinks cops act this way because someone is black..LOL

try mouthing off to a cop, resisting arrest and being a total dick to ANY cop when you are ANY race, religion, color, nationality, etc.

you are GOING to get your ass handed to you.


comply and fight it out in the court system. you have NO legal right to refuse detainment.


fark me.. its not a race thing here

Only blacks (and their media mouthpieces) think this way.

[The Ugly]

There's a meeting at some Baltimore civic hall right now- Evidently there are "500+ pastors & reverends ready to take to the streets to insure peace".

Where the fuck do you find 500+ pastors & reverends?

Go Colts!

When have these self-serving fucks ever helped with anything?

[The Ugly]

Work with them at what?

What are the useful goods and services that these gangs produce that benefit the community?

Nothing. Ever.

[Competitor 9]

Totally understood. Much more worried about anarchy like this than a police state.

But I'm sheepish like that.

This type of unrest takes what could be mistaking for police state like tatics. How do you deal with people in unrest like this? Military like action. Kinda a double edge knife that we are getting to the point

[The True Adonis]

This type of unrest takes what could be mistaking for police state like tatics. How do you deal with people in unrest like this? Military like action. Kinda a double edge knife that we are getting to the point

Or you could just give them all disability checks and sponge off the government, kinda like you do.

[blinky]

People picked up the tear gas and threw it back at cops. 

Mild crowd tonight.  Cops sent tear gas quick tonight. 

Nbc host is a drama queen. 

Police claim no tear gas being used.  Did the bad guys bring their own?

it was just smoke apparently. Was watching CNN when it happened and the reporter right there said it wasnt tear gas