LOL at your "all of life is a matter of degrees, there are gradations of vanity..". Groink was vain for sure, but you are just as vain, shallow, self-absorbed, hollow and malignant narcissist according to your "all degrees, all gradations" way of thinking. The way I see it everyone here is self absorbed, looks emphasizing meat head to some degree. Groink was one of the big ones but he owned your ass, he owned everyone's ass with superior vocabulary and better timed punch lines. Of course it may irritate you, but you just suck, he was better than you, in all aspects of life.
Secondly I laugh at your vanity excuses, that groink is as vain as DLB 
. The bodybuilding industry is as vain as it gets. People fucking grape fruits and getting fucked by men to get extra dollars for their steroid cycles, all just to look bigger on stage in front of muscle worshipers. That's also the "sport" you support, pellius. I dont support it, it's sick and disgusting sport, LOL. I like training hard and all but as far as putting posing trunks, fuck outa here. Lets just keep the vanity accusations away from this debate, because I know you have a party when you buy your ac and mr.olympia tickets. And I haven't forgotten the days not too long ago when you tried to own people here with your own selfies.. fugly ass nuigah.
Now groink got caught stealing money and lying.. too bad for him and what a turn point, very surprising to say the least. He fucked up miserably, and I'm not saying he did the right thing but prior to this he was appreciated by many and hated by many here only due to his superior wittiness compared to yours and others of his haters.
You are right in all points except that I wasn't praising groink only for his looks. He had much more going on with him than just his 7.5%bf at 245lbs looking ten times better than you btw. You look like an ethiopian, with or without head. He mostly focused on having fun here and playing people which everyone here does, but he was far superior to everyone else, a bit overwhelming to others (you) so he was either loved or hated. I once hated groink, I can't remember why but I know that groink proved me wrong entirely. I have no problem accepting the truth whatever it is or whoever tells it. I already accepted groinks fuck up here how he lied and stole money, I'm not even trying to sugar coat his actions here. Stealing money from a member and then disappearing is as low as it gets. But stop it with your vanity crap! We are all vain as fuck!
fucking awesome 
Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life. They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.
Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs.
I don't take kindly to disrespect. not on the internet, not in person, not in a grocery store parking lot, not in like at walmart, not in a restaurant, not at the beach, not at the dry cleaners... anywhere.
ppl talk about the 'pussyfication' of America, yet they run their mouths thinking they won't get slapped and get their arm broken in front of their friends.
spent many yrs in a place where if you talk slick and say something out of line to somebody, you know that when you say it, you better be ready for what happens. most ppl here in the 'real world', aren't ready for what could happen.. and run their mouths like the world is a make believe cartoon. despite wearing nice slacks, polished shoes and a nice shirt, the guy you steal that parking spot from at the grocery store and proceed to flip off, may have just gotten out of prison and will have no problem identifying they bitch in you and proceed to teach you a lesson by taking you down to the ground and kicking out your teeth before you even know what happened.
the guy who's willing to go the furthest, wins. if you're not willing to go all the way, it's best you keep your mouth shut and move on, and make it to the next day.
