The Racist Pig who Killed Freddie Gray!!

[Dr Dutch]

Touch of Freddie Gray !!!   (Love Jerry forever)

[polychronopolous]

Inappropriate Metaphor? Chris Matthews Asks The Wire Actor: Do Black Leaders Need to ‘Crack the Whip?’



As has become a major trend this week, last night Chris Matthews invited an actor from HBO’s The Wire, Gbenga Akinnagbe, to discuss the various challenges facing Baltimore before and after the death of Freddie Gray.

At one point during their conversation, Matthews asked his guest, “What do you think of local politicians in a black community? Do you think they put the pressure on the majority in the country? Do they use their clout? There’s an awful lot of members of the African-American, black caucus in the D.C., in federal government, and I just wonder, do they crack the whip enough?”

Akinnagbe didn’t seem to blink at that odd metaphor, instead saying, “It’s difficult,” adding, “These are people who have dedicated their lives, you know, for the most part, for serving the community and public service, but it’s also within a system that is inherently flawed and inherently does not serve the public and the masses.”

“To get along, you’ve got to play along,” the actor continued. “And I’m not accusing anyone from the black caucus or any black official of power of that, but it’s almost a systemic inevitability, that there are compromises that — to the cost of the people.”

[Slapper]

How long did it take to settle?

About two full years or so.

[Slapper]

That's a HUGE problem is the subjective nature of suspicion. Furthermore, every person has different levels of paranoia and suspicion, which means no event is going to elicit a similar response in the same 2 people. Now there are obvious situations which would elicit fear and suspicion among any cop (brandishing a weapon). But there are more subtle situations, which are VERY subjective. If you move or look a certain way, etc. When I was in California I was at a stoplight and there was a cop car next to me. For whatever reason, I glanced at him and made eye contact, then turned away.  I started to pull away and he starts to follow me. Pulls me over and asks me where I am going, etc. I was dressed in work clothes and had my work badge on me, so he just let me go. But technically he had no right to pull me over. All I did was make eye contact with him. That is not breaking the law. Ive never ever been in trouble with the law. 100% clean record, except for minor traffic violations. Another cop may have just looked at me and turned away, and forgot about the whole thing. Too much subjectivity in terms of what is deemed "suspicious."

Agree with you 100%.

I have so many stories... I remember back in the late 90s/early 2000s... on the Queensboro Plaza stop of the N train... a day after the smoking ban went into full effect... I pulled out a cigarette and started smoking one because I thought the mandate was only in underground stations (QP is open-air)... Needless to say, within seconds of taking a few puffs I was approached by two undercover cops who asked me to put out the cigarette, which I did. Then they asked me to provide them with an ID, which I did. I got so nervous that I put my hands in my pockets without noticing it. The pigs went B.A.L.L.I.S.T.I.C. I put my hands up and this guy is yelling at me an inch from my face. Situation could've gone out of control had I put my hands back in my pockets, which could have realistically happen because I was THAT nervous.

I seriously hate pigs.

Like I said, whenever I hear of a dead pig... it's a good day for me.

Fuck them.  

[Coach is Back!]

Agree with you 100%.

I have so many stories... I remember back in the late 90s/early 2000s... on the Queensboro Plaza stop of the N train... a day after the smoking ban went into full effect... I pulled out a cigarette and started smoking one because I thought the mandate was only in underground stations (QP is open-air)... Needless to say, within seconds of taking a few puffs I was approached by two undercover cops who asked me to put out the cigarette, which I did. Then they asked me to provide them with an ID, which I did. I got so nervous that I put my hands in my pockets without noticing it. The pigs went B.A.L.L.I.S.T.I.C. I put my hands up and this guy is yelling at me an inch from my face. Situation could've gone out of control had I put my hands back in my pockets, which could have realistically happen because I was THAT nervous.

I seriously hate pigs.

Like I said, whenever I hear of a dead pig... it's a good day for me.

Fuck them.  

Your little tag line says it all. You're ideologies are the reason why this country has gone to shit. What does NY city, Ferguson and Baltimore have in common? All ran by racists dems. You obviously had a bunch of run ins with the law and of course, you did nothing wrong it was all them. Moron.

[polychronopolous]

BALTIMORE RALLY: BURN DOWN STORES TO GET THEM ‘OUT OF OUR COMMUNITIES’

TAKE YOUR DAMN BUSINESSES OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!



During a large rally in front of Baltimore’s City Hall, a young man introduced as “Brother Rose,” in winding and sometimes incoherent speech, praised the burning of a CVS store at the corner of Pennsylvania and North Avenues. “America didn’t care until we started affecting things they profit from… What we saying, ‘Let’s get you out of our communities.’”

He also said, “Without us running (unintelligible) Mondawmin Mall [the site of mass looting on Monday], taking back from the stores that have taken our dollars for how long, and not giving back to the community in any type of way. We made a statement. The world heard us then. They heard that the youth of Baltimore are going to get justice by any means necessary.”

He also advocated shutting down restaurants and businesses that were protecting their investments. “If they protected themselves against you, protect yourselves against them. Don’t spend your money there. Don’t give them no reason to be in your neighborhood. Kick them out.”

[Slapper]

You're little tag line says it all. You're ideologies are the reason why this country has gone to shit. What does NY city, Ferguson and Baltimore have in common? All ran by racists dems. You obviously had a bunch of run ins with the law and of course, you did nothing wrong it was all them. Moron.

Yeah, yeah, sure.

Why don't you get in the whiteness certificate business like the other tools.

[SF1900]

Agree with you 100%.

I have so many stories... I remember back in the late 90s/early 2000s... on the Queensboro Plaza stop of the N train... a day after the smoking ban went into full effect... I pulled out a cigarette and started smoking one because I thought the mandate was only in underground stations (QP is open-air)... Needless to say, within seconds of taking a few puffs I was approached by two undercover cops who asked me to put out the cigarette, which I did. Then they asked me to provide them with an ID, which I did. I got so nervous that I put my hands in my pockets without noticing it. The pigs went B.A.L.L.I.S.T.I.C. I put my hands up and this guy is yelling at me an inch from my face. Situation could've gone out of control had I put my hands back in my pockets, which could have realistically happen because I was THAT nervous.

I seriously hate pigs.

Like I said, whenever I hear of a dead pig... it's a good day for me.

Fuck them.  

Im more concerned with the psychological aspects of fear, paranoia and suspicion, and how it varies across contexts, depending on a particular situation. As stated, there are very obvious contexts in which most cops would react with alarm. But other than those obvious contexts, it probably varies greatly. When I got pulled over one time, I told the cop I was going to reach into my glove compartment to get my registration. The cop looked at me like I had 10 heads, like why was I telling him this. From what I have always been told, its not a good idea to just reach into a glove compartment because you could be reaching for a gun. Yet, this cop seemed annoyed that I told him. So, what do you do? Do you tell them this or not? The problem is there is no general consensus among police officers. Each situation is 100% subjective, which could potentially make for very dangerous encounters with civilians. However, is it even possible to objectively define specific situations that may or may not elicit fear/suspicion/paranoia? Probably not, and that's a problem when police officers are dealing with different people from different environments. Its not only a problem for the police officers, but also a problem for civilians. Both are quick to react.

[240 is Back]

The prosecutor is biased, based on her relationships with the Gray family attorney... some judge is going to kick her off the case.

agreed she should be recused for this case.

however, i stand by the fact the man was illegally detained and arrested.

if they never do that, he never dies from whatever caused the injury

how pissed would any of us be... if cops just decided to illegally haul us around town, cuffed on floor of van.

[DanM]

People have to look at the bigger picture, there's much more going on here than a few thugs being mishandled by police officers, that race baiting pig al sharpton is being used to spear head this movement. My guess is they're making moves to slowly begin federalizing the police force. Purposely targeting groups who are most likely to riot and cause mayhems as a means to warrant this aka the blacks you see looting and causing destruction.

[240 is Back]

I love the fact that ANY time people see a cop these days, their 1st instinct is to whip out their cell phones and make them accountable for their actions.

SOME police used to disrespect people, shove suspects, knock people into cars, and steal now and then.  These days, there are cameras the size of fingernails which can put them on CNN if they do the wrong action.  I think a LOT of cops are suddenly straightening up becuase every day, we see another cop or 2 on television, abusing the shit out of people.  And departments aren't defending the idiot cops anymore.  If someone is begging for an amulance, and you ignore them - get a lawyer, you're getting charged - and rightfully fucking so.   I love that part of it.

[oldgolds]

Bunch of fucked of people on here...Anyone with a brain knows we need people to enforce laws...Cops risk their lives everyday dealing with scumbags...Trayvon, Brown, Garner, Gray....all scumbag criminals.....Gray was a heroin dealer...Maybe steroided bodybuilders think drugs are OK....

[SF1900]

Bunch of fucked of people on here...Anyone with a brain knows we need people to enforce laws...Cops risk their lives everyday dealing with scumbags...Trayvon, Brown, Garner, Gray....all scumbag criminals.....Gray was a heroin dealer...Maybe steroided bodybuilders think drugs are OK....

No one is saying we don't need cops. Well, I am definitely not saying that. With any profession, we need the "best of the best," which includes competent and honest workers. That goes for cops, as well as any other profession (teachers, engineers, nurses, social workers, doctors, dentists, etc).

Its the dumbest argument when people say, "If you dont like the cops, dont call them" or "you wont be complaining if there were no cops around." Dumbest arguments ever. Of course we call the cops when we need help. But when we call the cops, we expect honest and competent cops to come. Just like when we go to the doctor, we expect an honest and competent doctor. And just because there are a few bad doctors, it doesnt mean people are going to stop going to the doctor, in the same way that just because people have bad experiences with cops, it doesnt mean we arent going to call the cops when we need them.

[Agnostic007]

I love the fact that ANY time people see a cop these days, their 1st instinct is to whip out their cell phones and make them accountable for their actions.

SOME police used to disrespect people, shove suspects, knock people into cars, and steal now and then.  These days, there are cameras the size of fingernails which can put them on CNN if they do the wrong action.  I think a LOT of cops are suddenly straightening up becuase every day, we see another cop or 2 on television, abusing the shit out of people.  And departments aren't defending the idiot cops anymore.  If someone is begging for an amulance, and you ignore them - get a lawyer, you're getting charged - and rightfully fucking so.   I love that part of it.

the down side.. now adays people will whip out their camera to record a girl being beaten by a dude so they can post it on youtube.. so it isn't really to "make them accountable" it's because society is all about recording for youtube verses involvement. Go to a concert.. you'll see half the audience watching the damn thing through their phones as they record.. 

[Agnostic007]

No one is saying we don't need cops. Well, I am definitely not saying that. With any profession, we need the "best of the best," which includes competent and honest workers. That goes for cops, as well as any other profession (teachers, engineers, nurses, social workers, doctors, dentists, etc).

Its the dumbest argument when people say, "If you dont like the cops, dont call them" or "you wont be complaining if there were no cops around." Dumbest arguments ever. Of course we call the cops when we need help. But when we call the cops, we expect honest and competent cops to come. Just like when we go to the doctor, we expect an honest and competent doctor. And just because there are a few bad doctors, it doesnt mean people are going to stop going to the doctor, in the same way that just because people have bad experiences with cops, it doesnt mean we arent going to call the cops when we need them.

I so want to disagree with you just because.. but this is actually a rare good post 

[240 is Back]

the down side.. now adays people will whip out their camera to record a girl being beaten by a dude so they can post it on youtube.. so it isn't really to "make them accountable" it's because society is all about recording for youtube verses involvement.

oh yeah i totally agree ther mtivation is "generation selfie", self-involved bullshit.

But the end result is cops less likely to break law.  AND good cops get reinforced by video too.   Honest cops must love body cameras.

[Agnostic007]

oh yeah i totally agree ther mtivation is "generation selfie", self-involved bullshit.

But the end result is cops less likely to break law.  AND good cops get reinforced by video too.   Honest cops must love body cameras.

The attitude of cameras by the average cop (ones I know) is it is a necessary evil.
The pros are obvious. It captures for the most part what happened. In a vast majority of the cases it absolves the officer of any wrong doing as should be the case. The "evil" part of it is that it has created a society where if it wasn't captured on camera the cop is automatically suspect and or lying. Which is likely not the case. We are also discovering that access to video without educating the public is troublesome as well. There are still the "why didn't he shoot him in the leg" folks, perhaps there always will be. Read a facebook comment on a KSWO news post about a police officer who shot a man with a knife who refused to drop it while in a house. People where saying it wasn't fair to use a gun on someone with just a knife. That kind of ignorance is very frustrating.

But overall we like cameras. I like cameras. I have to admit that I am surprised at some of the things my counterparts in other departments  have done over the years that  cause the mistrust from the public. Rampart and Rodney King bothered me greatly. So I accept that we need oversight and cameras because there are enough instances where the power and authority intrusted to the police has been violated. I'd love to see a day where all cops do the right thing all the time.That will never happn, so whatever we can do to increase the chances is fine with me.   

     

[Irongrip400]

No one is saying we don't need cops. Well, I am definitely not saying that. With any profession, we need the "best of the best," which includes competent and honest workers. That goes for cops, as well as any other profession (teachers, engineers, nurses, social workers, doctors, dentists, etc).

Its the dumbest argument when people say, "If you dont like the cops, dont call them" or "you wont be complaining if there were no cops around." Dumbest arguments ever. Of course we call the cops when we need help. But when we call the cops, we expect honest and competent cops to come. Just like when we go to the doctor, we expect an honest and competent doctor. And just because there are a few bad doctors, it doesnt mean people are going to stop going to the doctor, in the same way that just because people have bad experiences with cops, it doesnt mean we arent going to call the cops when we need them.

You want better cops? Shit, you brought up the doctor reference, let's make it mandatory that they have a college education, and pay them more. It would make someone not necessarily likely to join the PD maybe think about it a bit harder. One of the things they do, is hire ex military ,which in the case of a State Trooper or SWAT guy is okay, but an everyday beat cop should be a college educated, strong individual, with good credit.

[SF1900]

You want better cops? Shit, you brought up the doctor reference, let's make it mandatory that they have a college education, and pay them more. It would make someone not necessarily likely to join the PD maybe think about it a bit harder. One of the things they do, is hire ex military ,which in the case of a State Trooper or SWAT guy is okay, but an everyday beat cop should be a college educated, strong individual, with good credit.

Good luck with that. 

[Croatch]

I don't agree with abuse of authority of course, but can people honestly say this person was a good contribution to society?  You know something that has never happened in my life, getting thrown in a paddy wagon screaming.  Just putting that out there.  Even if he was released, I'm sure he'd be getting arrested for something else.  Some people are just fuck ups.  Society is better off without them.
You know what else I've never done...run from the cops.  Why?  Cause I'm not a moron.  When you involve cops, guns, running, screaming...a bad outcome is inevitable.
On the flip side, many cops are also idiots.  Couple the 2 and you have what we have today, a video beating or killing of the weak.

[Coach is Back!]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

Why don't you get in the whiteness certificate business like the other tools.

Serious question. Are you black?