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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #125 on: May 12, 2015, 04:10:48 AM »
i went as low as 1500 calories when i dieted. it sucked but it worked.

Did u also do cardio on that?

Ive done that too. Works but u crash and actually start getting fat again even while eating 1500-1800 cals. Im trying to avoid that this tine

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #126 on: May 12, 2015, 09:52:47 AM »
The "galneiko" diet only works when you want to go from lean (9-10%) to shredded (6-8%) other than that you need to stick to another diet and get down to the 9-10% range first because you won't want to continue this diet for more than 2-4 weeks you WILL get sick of it and just give in

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #127 on: May 12, 2015, 10:04:46 AM »
1500 cals, LOL honestly have not sure if you guys are serious or trolling when I read shit like that.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #128 on: May 12, 2015, 10:35:50 AM »
1500 cals, LOL honestly have not sure if you guys are serious or trolling when I read shit like that.



Its for real. Ive been there. Well 1600-1700. Its honestly not that bad. Breakfast, tiny lunch, mini snack before gym, and normal/large dinner

Some guys like me who are endos (baby fat kinda, never hard) need to do this in order to look how we want

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #129 on: May 12, 2015, 10:40:41 AM »
Its for real. Ive been there. Well 1600-1700. Its honestly not that bad. Breakfast, tiny lunch, mini snack before gym, and normal/large dinner

Some guys like me who are endos (baby fat kinda, never hard) need to do this in order to look how we want

Even on gear?
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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #130 on: May 12, 2015, 10:46:05 AM »
Even on gear?

Last time i did it used a lil GH for my knee (1.5iu) and TRt at 200mg a week

Got crazy results (for me) but wasnt sustainable and couldnt hold condition even while eating the same cals.
Now im doing 2000-2100 with 10 minutes of HIIT 4 times a week and seem to be happy healthier and getting similar results. Only on TrT. My plan is to get lean for summer and slowly incorporate more drugs once i get lean and increase cals

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #131 on: May 12, 2015, 11:15:34 AM »
I work with a guy who's fat, but also carries a lot of mass.  Works out hard every day.  Natural (I'm guessing), probably 220 or so at maybe 5'10.  Permabulker, but big traps, huge chest, solid arms nonetheless.

Im in disbelief when I see his 'lunch', a TINY Tupperware of turkey and veggies.  I'm going off memory here, but it must have been no more than 300-500 cals.

He claims to eat this twice a day, and pretty much nothing else.

While I never believe what people say anymore, I still wouldn't doubt this guy eats less than me, and I feel like I'm killing myself.  I wouldn't be surprised if he ate less than 2000 calories most days.

Its experiences like these that make me believe there's a lot more variation in peoples caloric expenditure or digestive response than I onced believed.

I'll give another example later today.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #132 on: May 12, 2015, 02:04:29 PM »
I can gain weight at 2500 cals probably up to about 210lbs I suspect.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #133 on: May 12, 2015, 02:56:06 PM »
I can gain weight at 2500 cals probably up to about 210lbs I suspect.
What do you do?  Sit around and do nothing most of the time?


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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #134 on: May 12, 2015, 02:59:14 PM »
Fucking wierdos.  Just eat 2000-3000 calories and do enough activity accordingly to keep in a deficit.

I swear this thread reads like a study in mental illness.

I agree with you, but usually you say 'eat 2000-3000 calories of whatever you want.'

I believe the 'whatever you want' part is very important.  First, it does away with the common criticism that goes something like this: 'so you're saying I can eat 2000 calories of donuts to no I'll effect?'

But the thing is, no one wants to eat 2000 calories of donuts.  Maybe for a day or two, but not long term.  This diet would soon nauseate anyone, and if they stuck to it they wouldn't be eating 'whatever they want' after all.

Second, combining the Adonis principles with additional restrictions (again, going against 'what you want') can be a bad idea.

Recently, i be been trying to stick to 2200-2400 cals, but still stuck mostly to 'traditional bodybuilding foods'.  More specifically, I ate many meals with almost no carbs, and stuck to protein/fat for the most part.

Mentally, this was disastrous.  My workouts sucked too.  I'm not sure if I have a medical condition or something, but even a small amount of carbs dramatically improves my mental state and increases the physiological response during workouts.

Sugary foods (which I had almost entirely replaced with artificial sweeteners or 'clean carbs') seem particularly effective.  A tiny amount consistently makes a huge difference and -- what do you know -- I always crave carbs.  When I denied myself all the time, I ended up going on epic carb binges every week or two -- 'cheat meal' didn't begin to describe it...

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #135 on: May 12, 2015, 03:11:32 PM »
Its for real. Ive been there. Well 1600-1700. Its honestly not that bad. Breakfast, tiny lunch, mini snack before gym, and normal/large dinner

Some guys like me who are endos (baby fat kinda, never hard) need to do this in order to look how we want

That's the number for me, too, to get to the point of no visible lower ab fat. I'm 6'3 ecto/meso, 2000-2200 keeps me at ~12%.

Bodybuilders over-estimate how many calories they need, the same way they overestimate how much they would weigh when lean.


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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #136 on: May 12, 2015, 03:14:38 PM »
That's the number for me, too, to get to the point of no visible lower ab fat. I'm 6'3 ecto/meso, 2000-2200 keeps me at ~12%.

Bodybuilders over-estimate how many calories they need, the same way they overestimate how much they would weigh when lean.


So true.........been saying it for eons now.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #137 on: May 12, 2015, 04:23:18 PM »
I agree with you, but usually you say 'eat 2000-3000 calories of whatever you want.'

I believe the 'whatever you want' part is very important.  First, it does away with the common criticism that goes something like this: 'so you're saying I can eat 2000 calories of donuts to no I'll effect?'

But the thing is, no one wants to eat 2000 calories of donuts.  Maybe for a day or two, but not long term.  This diet would soon nauseate anyone, and if they stuck to it they wouldn't be eating 'whatever they want' after all.

Second, combining the Adonis principles with additional restrictions (again, going against 'what you want') can be a bad idea.

Recently, i be been trying to stick to 2200-2400 cals, but still stuck mostly to 'traditional bodybuilding foods'.  More specifically, I ate many meals with almost no carbs, and stuck to protein/fat for the most part.

Mentally, this was disastrous.  My workouts sucked too.  I'm not sure if I have a medical condition or something, but even a small amount of carbs dramatically improves my mental state and increases the physiological response during workouts.

Sugary foods (which I had almost entirely replaced with artificial sweeteners or 'clean carbs') seem particularly effective.  A tiny amount consistently makes a huge difference and -- what do you know -- I always crave carbs.  When I denied myself all the time, I ended up going on epic carb binges every week or two -- 'cheat meal' didn't begin to describe it...
Carbs are the best.   I ate nothing but Doughnuts and Pizza the other day actually.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #138 on: May 12, 2015, 05:57:30 PM »
What do you do?  Sit around and do nothing most of the time?


Nope. Workout 6 days a week and deliver furniture all day.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #139 on: May 12, 2015, 06:03:36 PM »
Nope. Workout 6 days a week and deliver furniture all day.
Strange.  I can eat 3000 calories a day, workout 2-3 days a week, not move around much at all and not gain an ounce.  Maintain in the 160s all day long.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #140 on: May 12, 2015, 06:08:28 PM »
Carbs are the best.   I ate nothing but Doughnuts and Pizza the other day actually.

I agree... Eating near zero carb meals is a disaster for me.

I'm actually going to see a doctor soon to see whether I actually have some particular affinity or condition related to them.

All growing up, I avoided fat and ate mostly carbs.  Once I started eating high protein meals, the carbs gradually got edged out... I'm wondering how many fouls moods, awful workouts, poor test results, etc. Can be attributed to this...

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #141 on: May 12, 2015, 06:14:09 PM »
A question for this thread:  if it takes you X calories to reach a particular weight, how much leeway do you have once you actually reach that weight?

E.g. if you have to eat a 1700 calories daily to hit 180 lbs, once you hit 180, can you eat more without gaining weight?  How much more?  500? 300?

Obviously I'm looking for answers from personal experience, not a general rule.

In my case, I starved on 1700 to 200 to get to 167.  Haven't gained an ounce at 2200-2400.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #142 on: May 12, 2015, 06:18:14 PM »
any pics posted here to see whats working or not?

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #143 on: May 12, 2015, 06:20:55 PM »
Do you seriously think this article says anything?

Its dialectic preschool.

Interesting 'fact' about broccoli, though.  I've never looked into the caloric effect of digestion before.  I'll be interested to read more.

Lol, I went back and read this article... Apples a 'zero calorir  food', oh brother...

No offense wes -- I'm always willing to listen to someone with your level of experience -- but do you even read the garbage you post :D

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #144 on: May 12, 2015, 08:05:52 PM »
It's fucking simple. If you slowly up carbs and fats and protein every week you can go from maintaining say 185lb on 2000 calories and after you slowly up the macros (carb fats protein) every week while monitoring your weight, over time you will be maintaining 185lb at 3500 calories possibly give or take 2-5lbs. The key is to SLOWLY up your calories so your metabolism adapts. The best part about that is when you're maintaining on such high calories you can get lean fast on much higher calories than you previously did.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #145 on: May 12, 2015, 10:12:17 PM »
It's fucking simple. If you slowly up carbs and fats and protein every week you can go from maintaining say 185lb on 2000 calories and after you slowly up the macros (carb fats protein) every week while monitoring your weight, over time you will be maintaining 185lb at 3500 calories possibly give or take 2-5lbs. The key is to SLOWLY up your calories so your metabolism adapts. The best part about that is when you're maintaining on such high calories you can get lean fast on much higher calories than you previously did.

How slowly?  What exactly do you mean?  Eat an extra Apple or cup of rice for a month and then another the next month?  An extra 200 calories a day the first month and every month thereafter for about 7 months?  That isn't much extra on a day to day or month to month basis.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #146 on: May 12, 2015, 11:30:55 PM »
It's fucking simple. If you slowly up carbs and fats and protein every week you can go from maintaining say 185lb on 2000 calories and after you slowly up the macros (carb fats protein) every week while monitoring your weight, over time you will be maintaining 185lb at 3500 calories possibly give or take 2-5lbs. The key is to SLOWLY up your calories so your metabolism adapts. The best part about that is when you're maintaining on such high calories you can get lean fast on much higher calories than you previously did.
nonsense
If you eat over your daily rate you will store it as fat.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #147 on: May 13, 2015, 05:21:14 AM »
So true.........been saying it for eons now.

The losing muscle objection is another excuse for permabulkers to not show dietary discipline.

When you diet down, you'll surely measure smaller but what you lost wasn't muscle but fat which is stored throughout the body.

Funny how when one's waist gets smaller via dieting no one thinks their abs shrunk, but when an inch comes off the arms, it's the bis and tris that took the hit.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #148 on: May 13, 2015, 11:13:56 AM »
Lol, I went back and read this article... Apples a 'zero calorir  food', oh brother...

No offense wes -- I'm always willing to listen to someone with your level of experience -- but do you even read the garbage you post :D
I read it and endorse it my friend.


Call it "bro-science" if you want to but a lot of the so called "bro-science" works............maybe it`s a placebo effect but it still works for me.

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Re: 7 weeks into Diet, not much happening
« Reply #149 on: May 13, 2015, 11:15:13 AM »
The losing muscle objection is another excuse for permabulkers to not show dietary discipline.

When you diet down, you'll surely measure smaller but what you lost wasn't muscle but fat which is stored throughout the body.

Funny how when one's waist gets smaller via dieting no one thinks their abs shrunk, but when an inch comes off the arms, it's the bis and tris that took the hit.
Tons of guys lifting to see how much they can weigh, as opposed to how good they can look.

Bulking up = excuse to eat like shit.