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Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« on: May 06, 2015, 06:35:38 AM »
So I've seen tons of pros using artificial sweeteners of all sorts during prep, ranging from crystal light, sugar free jams, sugar free syrups, truvia, splenda, molly mcbutter, diet sodas...to the guys that compete whats your opinions on this stuff...I mean is it that hard to just eat oats w/some cinnamon, drink water? Pros/Cons to these sweeteners? 
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2015, 06:41:50 AM »
It is not that hard to eat oats with just cinnamon
U are correct
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2015, 06:43:02 AM »
Everyone I know uses them and they get peeled  it comes down to how your body handles them

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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2015, 06:51:11 AM »
Everyone I know uses them and they get peeled  it comes down to how your body handles them
I'm trying to figure out whats the point to using these things. .i mean does it just help taste wise? Mentally? Help satisfy cravings?  I dont remember seeing dudes in the 90s using all this stuff when prepping meals pre contest..
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 07:13:35 AM »
It feels strange to give my opinion to an "ideal physique" (no homo) as Go4It.

But... I use stevia for my coffee, I drink diet soda and I when I have a cheat meal, I eat sugar free ice cream. It helps me mentally and I don't feel it satisfy my cravings. I used also some walden farms products, but it was to much sodium on them.

Althought, the best of me came when I was not using aritficial sweeteners. That time my diet was absolutly strick, contest prep like.

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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2015, 07:53:25 AM »
It feels strange to give my opinion to an "ideal physique" (no homo) as Go4It.

But... I use stevia for my coffee, I drink diet soda and I when I have a cheat meal, I eat sugar free ice cream. It helps me mentally and I don't feel it satisfy my cravings. I used also some walden farms products, but it was to much sodium on them.

Althought, the best of me came when I was not using aritficial sweeteners. That time my diet was absolutly strick, contest prep like.
interesting. ..i just feel like all that stuff is too good to be true. .there's gotta be some sort of adverse effect to using these sweeteners
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2015, 07:57:08 AM »
interesting. ..i just feel like all that stuff is too good to be true. .there's gotta be some sort of adverse effect to using these sweeteners
Don't use them if you don't want to...Simple.

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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2015, 08:04:03 AM »
I'm trying to figure out whats the point to using these things. .i mean does it just help taste wise? Mentally? Help satisfy cravings?  I dont remember seeing dudes in the 90s using all this stuff when prepping meals pre contest..

probably because they didn't have them.
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2015, 08:15:55 AM »
Don't use them if you don't want to...Simple.
I don't really know much about them, don't really use them, I may drink a coke zero here and there during a prep, but I was just wondering peoples experiences with these, especially in regards to prep, if it helps maybe get you through mentally or help maybe satisfy a sweet tooth without actually cheating, just looking for some feedback/experiences with this. I recently tried Jose Raymond's chocolate egg white recipe and it actually was pretty good, kind of gives you the feeling of cheating (kind of) without actually cheating.
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2015, 08:20:06 AM »
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2015, 09:38:16 AM »
Artificial Sweeteners lower testosterone in men...Read a study once that claims that chronic usage of them is equivalent to the chronic usage of alcohol on testosterone...

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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2015, 09:42:20 AM »
Artificial Sweeteners lower testosterone in men...Read a study once that claims that chronic usage of them is equivalent to the chronic usage of alcohol on testosterone...

Key word in bold that does not apply to real life....
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2015, 09:59:06 AM »
Artificial Sweeteners lower testosterone in men...Read a study once that claims that chronic usage of them is equivalent to the chronic usage of alcohol on testosterone...

I guess of your a natty that matters when your slamming a grams week of test your natural levels are zero anyways

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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2015, 10:03:24 AM »
I'm trying to figure out whats the point to using these things. .i mean does it just help taste wise? Mentally? Help satisfy cravings?  I dont remember seeing dudes in the 90s using all this stuff when prepping meals pre contest..

Wasn't around then. For me its just somthing that helps. I hate deiting it's missersble and anyone who says they love an hour of cardio and no carbs is a fucking lair. So anything that I can look forward to helps greatly. A coke zero and some zero calorie waldens farm in my oats help me get through my day. But there is this idea that you must completely suffer and take any thing remotely enjoyable out or else your not hardcore. Fuck that I'd keep my diet soda and reduced sugar ketchup

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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2015, 10:07:21 AM »
I guess of your a natty that matters when your slamming a grams week of test your natural levels are zero anyways

thought of that as well.
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2015, 10:07:52 AM »
You would need to consume a large amount of them to have any negative effect.

Most people don't have issues with sweeteners.  Some drop them a few weeks out to be safe.

People use them because they want to sweeten their food and keep it from being bland.  I don't see an issue with someone cosuming a normal amount during prep.


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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2015, 10:10:52 AM »
You would need to consume a large amount of them to have any negative effect.

Most people don't have issues with sweeteners.  Some drop them a few weeks out to be safe.

People use them because they want to sweeten their food and keep it from being bland.  I don't see an issue with someone cosuming a normal amount during prep.


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Amen, some "no nonsense" logic finally...
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2015, 10:21:18 AM »
I guess of your a natty that matters when your slamming a grams week of test your natural levels are zero anyways

G4It does claim natty, though.

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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2015, 11:23:25 AM »
Absolute poison.
Never used them in my diet. Just suffered through the sugar cravings

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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2015, 02:44:46 PM »
Absolute poison.
Never used them in my diet. Just suffered through the sugar cravings

YOu can't even prove it's poison to humans, just a false opinion you stated.

But diet pepsi will make me crave real junk. Diet coke, it ok. Slenda can be a life saver, but I did the old school mentality of being stubborn and hardcore as I'M a bit of both...
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2015, 03:03:50 PM »
I use tons of it during contest prep with no ill effects.

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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2015, 03:09:26 PM »
Perfectly safe with no adverse side effects for anyone other than the tinfoil hat crew.
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2015, 04:14:06 PM »
YOu can't even prove it's poison to humans, just a false opinion you stated.

But diet pepsi will make me crave real junk. Diet coke, it ok. Slenda can be a life saver, but I did the old school mentality of being stubborn and hardcore as I'M a bit of both...

There is plenty evidence from the get go that this shit has no business being consumed by humans.
Fact its Monsanto and its bacteria faeces should be the red flag but hey we all are tin foil fuckers arent we..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-gennet/donald-rumsfeld-and-the-s_b_805581.html

"Yes, that Donald Rumsfeld, the "knowns and unknowns" guy who remarkably executed some of the worst decisions in American foreign policy and got a medal for it. I have been reading up on this strange chapter in the history of Donald Rumsfeld and have learned two things. One, the chemical additive aspartame is very potentially a cancer and brain tumor-causing substance that has no place in our food. And two, the reasons and means by which Rumsfeld helped get it approved are nefarious at best, criminal at worst. And by the way, that medal that Rumsfeld got back in 2004 was the Presidential Medal of Freedom, also awarded to Tommy Franks, George Tenet and that charming warrior L. Paul Bremer. Evidently, "Freedom" means the right to use your powerful friends in Washington to approve your company's dangerous substance for human consumption and make a fat bonus on the way out the door. So how did aspartame become legal? And more importantly, if it had been rejected multiple times over fears of brain tumors and cancer, why?

Dr. John Olney, who founded the field of neuroscience called excitotoxicity, attempted to stop the approval of aspartame with Attorney James Turner back in 1996. The FDA's own toxicologist, Dr. Adrian Gross told Congress that without a shadow of a doubt, aspartame can cause brain tumors and brain cancer and that it violated the Delaney Amendment, which forbids putting anything in food that is known to cause cancer. According to the top doctors and researchers on this issue, aspartame causes headache, memory loss, seizures, vision loss, coma and cancer. It worsens or mimics the symptoms of such diseases and conditions as fibromyalgia, MS, lupus, ADD, diabetes, Alzheimer's, chronic fatigue and depression. Further dangers highlighted is that aspartame liberates free methyl alcohol. The resulting chronic methanol poisoning affects the dopamine system of the brain causing addiction. Methanol, or wood alcohol, constitutes one third of the aspartame molecule and is classified as a severe metabolic poison and narcotic. How's that Diet Coke treating you now?

In the peer reviewed journal, Aspartame: Methanol and the Public Health, Dr. Woodrow Monte wrote: "When diet sodas and soft drinks, sweetened with aspartame, are used to replace fluid loss during exercise and physical exertion in hot climates, the intake of methanol can exceed 250 mg/day or 32 times the Environmental Protection Agency's recommended limit of consumption for this cumulative poison." The effects of aspartame are documented by the FDA's own data. In 1995 the agency was forced, under the Freedom of Information Act, to release a list of aspartame symptoms reported by thousands of victims. From 10,000 consumer complaints, the FDA compiled a list of 92 symptoms, including death. Dr. Betty Martini, the founder of Mission Possible International, works with doctors around the world in an effort to remove aspartame from food, drinks and medicine. According to Dr. Martini, aspartame has brought more complaints to the FDA than any other additive and is responsible for 75% of such complaints to that agency. More recently, the EPA found Aspartame to be a potentially dangerous chemical along with BPA, which you've no doubt heard a lot about in the news lately. Aspartame, not so much.

Martini says NutraSweet is a "deadly neurotoxic drug masquerading as an additive. It interacts with all antidepressants, L-dopa, Coumadin, hormones, insulin, all cardiac medication, and many others. It also is a chemical hyper sensitization drug so that it interacts with vaccines, other toxins, other unsafe sweeteners like Splenda which has a chlorinated base like DDT and can cause auto immune disease. It has a synergistic and additive effect with MSG. Both being excitotoxins, the aspartic acid in aspartame, and MSG, the glutamate people were found using aspartame as the placebo for MSG studies, even before it was approved. The FDA has known this for a quarter of a century and done nothing even though its against the law."

So how does Donald Rumsfeld fit in to all this? A little history:

In 1985, Monsanto purchased G.D. Searle, the chemical company that held the patent to aspartame, the active ingredient in NutraSweet. Monsanto was apparently untroubled by aspartame's clouded past, including the report of a 1980 FDA Board of Inquiry, comprised of three independent scientists, which confirmed that it "might induce brain tumors." The FDA had previously banned aspartame based on this finding, only to have then-Searle Chairman Donald Rumsfeld vow to "call in his markers," to get it approved. Here's how it happened:

Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president January 21, 1981. Rumsfeld, while still CEO at Searle, was part of Reagan's transition team. This team hand-picked Dr. Arthur Hull Hayes, Jr., to be the new FDA commissioner. Dr. Hayes, a pharmacologist, had no previous experience with food additives before being appointed director of the FDA. On January 21, 1981, the day after Ronald Reagan's inauguration, Reagan issued an executive order eliminating the FDA commissioners' authority to take action and Searle re-applied to the FDA for approval to use aspartame in food sweetener. Hayes, Reagan's new FDA commissioner, appointed a 5-person Scientific Commission to review the board of inquiry's decision. It soon became clear that the panel would uphold the ban by a 3-2 decision. So Hayes installed a sixth member on the commission, and the vote became deadlocked. He then personally broke the tie in aspartame's favor.

One of Hayes' first official acts as FDA chief was to approve the use of aspartame as an artificial sweetener in dry goods on July 18, 1981. In order to accomplish this feat, Hayes had to overlook the scuttled grand jury investigation of Searle, overcome the Bressler Report, ignore the PBOI's recommendations and pretend aspartame did not chronically sicken and kill thousands of lab animals. Hayes left his post at the FDA in November, 1983, amid accusations that he was accepting corporate gifts for political favors. Just before leaving office in scandal, Hayes approved the use of aspartame in beverages. After Hayes left the FDA under allegations of impropriety, he served briefly as Provost at New York Medical College, and then took a position as a high-paid senior medical advisor with Burson-Marsteller, the chief public relations firm for both Monsanto and GD Searle. Since that time he has never spoken publicly about aspartame. FYI, here's Rachel Maddow on Burson-Marsteller: "When Evil needs public relations, Evil has Burson-Marsteller on speed dial." Evil, thy name is chemical food additives.

Here's the kicker: When Searle was absorbed by Monsanto in 1985, Donald Rumsfeld reportedly received a $12 million bonus, pretty big money in those days. Also, while at Searle, Rumsfeld was awarded Outstanding CEO in the Pharmaceutical Industry from the Wall Street Transcript (1980) and Financial World (1981)! Imagine that...

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In my research for this piece, I compiled facts and quotes from some various sources in order to best elucidate this issue. I have done my best to include all of them here so you can check out all the evidence for yourself. Much thanks and respect to those trying to alert the public to this dangerous substance."

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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2015, 04:15:29 PM »
I use tons of it during contest prep with no ill effects.
interesting. .would you mind listing some examples?
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Re: Artificial Sweeteners During Prep?
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2015, 04:17:44 PM »
interesting. .would you mind listing some examples?
I use it in coffee which I drink all the time and oatmeal with 5 Equals is orgasmic during a contest prep.